"Cancel Culture" Thoughts/Opinions

[Ace Nova]

I never paid much attention to it until recently.  I still don't understand the concept entirely, tbh....that's how foreign it is to me.   For starters, naming anything  "Cancel ______" is an abomination, imo.  (Even if it's not exactly what they intend to do).  It's an extremely prejudicial title and screams nothing but "holier than thou" and "my way is the only right way".

Anyway, imo, people promoting the movement severely lack understanding of the human psyche, history, working class culture, what it means to live in a "free society" and the importance of freedom of speech and the arts.  (That's the only logical reasoning I can come up with).

That's not to say certain events, issues, entities, etc don't "deserve" to be canceled. 

But one of the greatest things about living in a free society is that we have the free will to choose what we pay attention to and what we want to spend our money on, etc etc.   Historically, society has done a pretty decent job of deciding what they want included in "their culture" without some absurd movement that equates to being, "judge, jury and executioner".

One of the dangers of a movement like "Cancel Culture"   is that it leads to people assuming that because their "ideology" was in line with bringing some "monsters" to justice, then that must mean the "Cancel Culture" movement must be the reason (and that all of their ideology must be correct, then)...when in fact, it would have happened regardless. 

 It hides the fact that the true "concept" behind it (whether they realize it or not) is based off of some of the worst, most destructive concepts/thought processes in history.

[Kz!]

Another glorious creation of the left to try to silence dissenting opinions. The left really is the worst.

[VanHammersly]

Cancel culture is stupid.  Unfortunately, it's the go-to move for the President.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/06/30/cancel-culture-trump-mcenany/

 

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Donald Trump has embraced "cancel culture” his entire life. I cannot think of another politician, or public figure, who has spent more time trying to "cancel” critics than the thin-skinned former reality TV star in the Oval Office. Over the years, Trump has called for the boycott of leading U.S. brands such as Macy’s, Apple, and Harley Davidson, among others, because they displeased him in one way or another. He forces those around him into nondisclosure agreements and then threatens them with legal action if they dare speak out against him — including his own niece Mary, whose forthcoming tell-all book the president is desperately trying to … cancel.

This approach has only been amplified since he came into office, a period that has found him publicly and repeatedly trying to cancel both social media companies ("We will strongly regulate, or close them down”) and network news channels ("Challenge their license?”) while calling for prominent journalists who have upset him, such as Chuck Todd and Jemele Hill, to be fired. (In private, Trump has gone much further: according to his former national security adviser, the president wants some journalists to be "executed.”)

 

 

[Lloyd]

5 minutes ago, Kz! said:

Another glorious creation of the left to try to silence dissenting opinions. The left really is the worst.

Yeah when Trump tried to "cancel" the NFL because of athletes' silent protest, that was just good ole patriotism. 

[Kz!]

1 minute ago, Lloyd said:

Yeah when Trump tried to "cancel" the NFL because of athletes' silent protest, that was just good ole patriotism. 

Comparing Trump whining about the NFL to the left's active campaign to try to get people fired from jobs, shows taken off the air, etc. etc.  

[DrPhilly]

Cancel the entire movement

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[Lloyd]

3 minutes ago, Kz! said:

Comparing Trump whining about the NFL to the left's active campaign to try to get people fired from jobs, shows taken off the air, etc. etc.  

"Wouldn’t you love to see one of these NFL owners, when somebody disrespects our flag, to say, 'Get that son of a b---- off the field right now. Out. He's fired. He's fired!"

Trump just wants to see the flag respected, I know. He's a passionate guy. Even hugs the flag. 

[VanHammersly]

Normal people are annoyed by cancel culture, but people on the extreme left (SJWs) and the extreme right (Trump supporters) love it, because in their minds everything is a binary right or wrong decision without shades of grey, so any competing thought must be 100% wrong.  That's why people in both of those groups suck.

[20dawk4life]

Just now, VanHammersly said:

Normal people are annoyed by cancel culture, but people on the extreme left (SJWs) and the extreme right (Trump supporters) love it, because in their minds everything is a binary right or wrong decision without shades of grey, so any competing thought must be 100% wrong.  That's why people in both of those groups suck.

Yes. Yea they do. 

[Eaglesfandan]

3 minutes ago, VanHammersly said:

Normal people are annoyed by cancel culture, but people on the extreme left (SJWs) and the extreme right (Trump supporters) love it, because in their minds everything is a binary right or wrong decision without shades of grey, so any competing thought must be 100% wrong.  That's why people in both of those groups suck.

Mods can lock this down now

[Alpha_TATEr]

5 minutes ago, VanHammersly said:

Normal people are annoyed by cancel culture, but people on the extreme left (SJWs) and the extreme right (Trump supporters) love it, because in their minds everything is a binary right or wrong decision without shades of grey, so any competing thought must be 100% wrong.  That's why people in both of those groups suck.

winner !

[Mike030270]

Lol didn't take long to bring up Trump

[Kz!]

16 minutes ago, Lloyd said:

"Wouldn’t you love to see one of these NFL owners, when somebody disrespects our flag, to say, 'Get that son of a b---- off the field right now. Out. He's fired. He's fired!"

Trump just wants to see the flag respected, I know. He's a passionate guy. Even hugs the flag. 

I know, all those jobs lost as a result. So sad. No, the real cancel culture is flocks of leftists doxxing and contacting employers of people who say things they don't agree with online. It's actually pretty nuts, you should check it out. There are coordinated efforts to get people fired pretty regularly now. The Antifa freaks in my area do it all the time. It's disgusting.

[Kz!]

13 minutes ago, VanHammersly said:

Normal people are annoyed by cancel culture, but people on the extreme left (SJWs) and the extreme right (Trump supporters) love it, because in their minds everything is a binary right or wrong decision without shades of grey, so any competing thought must be 100% wrong.  That's why people in both of those groups suck.

Like the months-long rioting and looting that's gone on in many cities, this one is owned almost exclusively by the left. Sorry, van, I know it's tough, but I'm here if you need to talk.

[VanHammersly]

6 minutes ago, Kz! said:

Like the months-long rioting and looting that's gone on in many cities, this one is owned almost exclusively by the left. Sorry, van, I know it's tough, but I'm here if you need to talk.

  Shocking that someone in one of the groups I'm talking about wouldn't see it that way.  Shocking, I say!

21 minutes ago, VanHammersly said:

Normal people are annoyed by cancel culture, but people on the extreme left (SJWs) and the extreme right (Trump supporters) love it, because in their minds everything is a binary right or wrong decision without shades of grey, so any competing thought must be 100% wrong.  That's why people in both of those groups suck.

 

[Shepard Wong]

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The Chicks have been at the center of controversy before. In 2003, nine days before the American invasion of Iraq, the band performed in London. As Maines introduced the single "Travelin’ Soldier,” she told the crowd that she was ashamed that the President of the United States was from Texas. When the backlash came, it was precipitate, catastrophic, and unrelenting. The Chicks had recently become the only female band in any genre to have released two consecutive diamond-certified albums, signifying sales of ten million copies or more. In our era of anemic chart numbers and fragmented attention, it’s difficult to reckon with sales of that magnitude. There was a lot to lose.

Fans piled CDs in trash cans and set them ablaze. Country radio—which was then operated in large part by the media conglomerate Clear Channel—blacklisted the Chicks’ music. "These are callow, foolish women who deserve to be slapped around,” Bill O’Reilly said on Fox News. Maines received one death threat so credible that the F.B.I. recommended that the band cancel a show in Dallas. (It didn’t.)

It's nothing new.  As usual, most people only care when it affects "their side".

 

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2020/07/20/why-the-chicks-dropped-their-dixie

[Kz!]

3 minutes ago, VanHammersly said:

  Shocking that someone in one of the groups I'm talking about wouldn't see it that way.  Shocking, I say!

 

No, that's reality. There aren't mobs of right-wingers constantly organizing campaigns to get left-wingers de-platformed. No one is going to get fired from their jobs for posting BLM or any other number of leftist slogans. It's people who post "All Lives Matter" or "White Lives Matter" or "Back the Blue" that are at risk.

[Ace Nova]

47 minutes ago, Kz! said:

Another glorious creation of the left to try to silence dissenting opinions. The left really is the worst.

It's been used by both the right and the left, recently and throughout history. 

But I tend to agree, it's gained most of its momentum and popularity recently mostly due to the fact that certain far left entities use it for just about anything they don't agree with and/or may be "offended" by.

6 minutes ago, Kz! said:

No, that's reality. There aren't mobs of right-wingers constantly organizing campaigns to get left-wingers de-platformed. 

Err...actually, the "fake news" articles that circulated FB (among other social media platforms) prior to the 2016 elections could be used as an example of "cancel culture"...and how it could potentially be used for nefarious purposes. 

[vikas83]

I think it depends on how you define "cancel culture" and how it breaks down. I think of it this way -- people deciding not to patronize a business is the free market working properly and providing feedback. If you decide not to go to Chick-Fil-A because of the owner's view on gay marriage, that's your right. If you decide to stop buying Nike products because they signed Colin Kaepernick, again, that's your right. If enough people share your views, the company will have to change to maximize profits. I have no problem with individual consumers exercising their right to choose which businesses to patronage based on personal criteria. BUT -- you have to do more than talk, and back up your words and feelings with concrete actions that impact a business,

However, like most things in life, this has been destroyed and perverted by social media. What I don't support are these groups on Twitter, Facebook, Reddit, etc. just attacking people and trying to get them fired. Much more disturbing to me is trying to attack people for things they said decades ago, when they were young, etc. Harassing someone  over things they tweeted when they were 16...is insane. If you find Nick Bosa's twitter actions so damn objectionable, then stop buying 49ers merchandise and watching games; if enough people agree with you, then the 49ers will lose profits and react. But the social media outrage mob aren't buying 49ers gear -- they are just trying to publicly pressure them into reprimanding Bosa for vengeance. Basically, you have to do more than whine on Twitter.

An example we can all relate to -- Michael Vick. When the Eagles signed him in 2009, there was big talk about how people would stop supporting the team, watching games, buying jerseys, etc. What happened? Nothing. Lot of talk, lot of noise, no hit to the bottom line. They wanted Vick cut, but they weren't willing to stop watching in order to make their point -- proving that it really didn't matter to them. 

Hate Tucker Carlson? Refuse to buy products from anyone who advertises on his show. Hate Bill Maher? Cancel your HBO. But don't scream on Twitter demanding Maher be cancelled while tuning into the next season of Succession...

[EaglesRocker97]

Sometimes the outrage is warranted in particularly egregious cases. However, the movement has rapidly morphed from an effort to push back against blatantly sexist and racist conduct that had managed to persist in positions of influence and authority into something more aggressive and insidious. It's been weaponized as a way to silence people by raising mobs to assassinate characters and destroy livelihoods. What started as a movement for merely censuring and educating people who acted insensitively has become an assault on free speech and a cult-like crusade for purity. The problem is that the right associates this with every attempt to make our language more inclusive and considerate, which are more often than not just genuinely virtuous efforts to treat people with dignity.

[Gannan]

Bill Maher covered this on last Friday's show. It's becoming a bigger and bigger problem. The twitter mob sets woke standards impossibly high.

1 hour ago, Kz! said:

Another glorious creation of the left to try to silence dissenting opinions. The left really is the worst.

Puh lease. Sean Hannity had you guys smashing your Kurigs not that long ago. 

[Boogyman]

32 minutes ago, Kz! said:

I know, all those jobs lost as a result. So sad. No, the real cancel culture is flocks of leftists doxxing and contacting employers of people who say things they don't agree with online. It's actually pretty nuts, you should check it out. There are coordinated efforts to get people fired pretty regularly now. The Antifa freaks in my area do it all the time. It's disgusting.

Real cancel culture? Its all the same. Get your head out of that orange bunghole.

[Gannan]

34 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Lol didn't take long to bring up Trump

Yeah, the idea that the president has any effect on culture or behavior is absurd. 

[Kz!]

1 minute ago, Gannan said:

Bill Maher covered this on last Friday's show. It's becoming a bigger and bigger problem. The twitter mob sets woke standards impossibly high.

Puh lease. Sean Hannity had you guys smashing your Kurigs not that long ago. 

Boycotting a major company =/= cancel culture. De-platforming people on social media and doxxing ordinary citizens for having the wrong opinion and trying to get them fired from their job = cancel culture. Get it?

[Gannan]

1 minute ago, Kz! said:

Boycotting a major company =/= cancel culture. De-platforming people on social media and doxxing ordinary citizens for having the wrong opinion and trying to get them fired from their job = cancel culture. Get it?

Trying to cancel something is cancel culture, it's actually in the name. It's when left wing nuts and right wing nuts are so triggered by something, they need it removed from existence because they're sensitive snowflakes. Doxxing is doxxing, and you right wing nuts do that too.