Jeremiah smith is a flawless player. So damn good

Surprised OSU went for it there instead of tie the gamr with a fg

52 minutes ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

It's funny how Philadelphia Fans use the same arguments to bash Sirianni that they are absolutely livid about the media using to bash Jalen Hurts.

I really don't like fans of our team, because Eagles fans are so narrative heavy:

• If they like you, NOTHING is your fault.

• If they dislike you, EVERYTHING is your fault.

And they'll use the exact same reasoning as blame or absolving of blame depending on how they feel. My sincere impression is after 2023, the city will never like Sirianni unless he becomes Kyle Shanahan schematically, and the way Hurts has been healthy he'll pretty much never get a chance to show that they're just an awful matchup for each other from a schematic perspective. The vast majority of other coaches would have let Jalen sink in his offense based on ego and just drafted another QB, Sirianni let someone else handle it. Everyone uses that to assert he's the worst schematic coach in the history of the game, even though they've only ever seen him work with 1 QB, it's exhausting.

Part of me wishes we fire Sirianni at this point not because I think he's a bad coach, but just so the fanbase will shut the F up and stop with the 2023 PTSD. It has been by far the least enjoyable period to talk about Eagles football, despite winning a Super Bowl throughout the period. I never thought I'd see the fanbase so spoiled before we won the SB for the first time.

A great coach schemes to his talent. GTFOH acting like Siri deserves a break when this offense is absolutely loaded with talent and he continues to run a pop warner offense. It’s on him. He wants to limit turnovers more than open up the offense. He’s said that.

1 hour ago, ManuManu said:

Four hitches short of the sticks?

It was the RPO pass that we spam to Goedert

2 hours ago, NOTW said:

I hate the NFL so much these days. It'll be lame and irrelevant in 10 years at this rate

10 minutes ago, Eriv20 said:

A great coach schemes to his talent. GTFOH acting like Siri deserves a break when this offense is absolutely loaded with talent and he continues to run a pop warner offense. It’s on him. He wants to limit turnovers more than open up the offense. He’s said that.

None of this addresses anything I said. Franchises consider drafting QBs to be the single most important move involving players, and they go out of their way to find QBs that fit what they want to do. Only truly elite schematic coaches can scheme to any QB they are handed, regardless of fit or style. Everyone knows Sirianni is not schematically elite, at the very least, by bashing him about this all the time. Therefore, if he does not match his QB, the expectation shouldn't be for him to turn into Shanahan and to magically solve that regardless.

But the result of this is that Sirianni is insulted for the exact same reasons that people are angry about the media saying about Jalen. Eagles fans are exhausting. That's why I kinda just hope they fire him, so people can STFU.

1 hour ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

I just want to point out that a lot of times, one of the biggest jumps for QBs is from Year 1 to Year 2. Part of that is that things they were unsure how to prepare for in year 1, when their heads are swimming with information, they get a chance to prepare better for in year 2, especially during second year offseason.

For some reason, Eagles fans don't think this would also apply to first time coordinators, and if they don't have everything prepared and looking like Ben Johnson by game 9, they're trash, incapable of learning, incapable of growth, and will never get better no matter how many years they are in the league. Isn't that weird?

Personally, after watching this season, I believe that if Brian Johnson got a second year with our offense, it would have been notably better. However, because the result of Kellen Moore was a Super Bowl (largely due to the defense carrying the team for the majority of the year, the result of which is the exact opposite of what happened to Brian Johnson), the result is inarguable, and so it'll never be discussed from a serious standpoint.

The funniest part is we have one of the best examples of a coach improving over time in our history, that being Andy Reid and watching him win multiple Super Bowls with the Chiefs, and people still consider it impossible.

It took Andy 14 years as a HC, a team change and one of the best QBs of the last 15 years to win a SB. Change is possible but he's a bad example to point to for a "have patience" argument

23 minutes ago, Eriv20 said:

A great coach schemes to his talent. GTFOH acting like Siri deserves a break when this offense is absolutely loaded with talent and he continues to run a pop warner offense. It’s on him. He wants to limit turnovers more than open up the offense. He’s said that.

Actually, Hurts said he would not open it up because when he played that way it didnt get him the win. Its on Hurts. Siri is handcuffed with this QB.

1 hour ago, eagle45 said:

All the good vibe talk is a bit concerning. It's an always-present landmark on the road to collapse. Just past this on the horizon is the players only meeting and then beyond that is the vote of confidence in coach and QB.

I feel the same way. It's like theyre trying to convince themselves that everything is fine

I love that they are trolling the media, and most of you in here with the Bunny. Itll look bad if they collapse. Itll look great if they dont.

I love that Siri is more vocal. I find it hilarious that people are complaining it took him till now. Because I also know the same people would have bashed him for being too controlling had he stepped on the toes of his new OC earlier in the year rather than trying to give him time to grow. He can do no right for those of you who refuse to blame the right person (Hurts).

Its also find it ironic that someone used the 2021 offense as evidence that we know that "Siri's offense" stinks. Being purposely ignorant of the fact that Hurts was inarguably a horrible QB in his first full year starting in the league. But again, most of you will blame the wrong guy.

I like how someone said this Bunny can be the Flower reference all over again. As if that was a bad thing. Siri went on to hardly ever lose a game after that, and won a super bowl. Id take a new flower thing, or a Baldiani thing every year. There was nothing bad about that, except that for most of you, you had to eat crow.

Heres hoping it happens again.

If nothing else, I hope Siri at least gets to go to Lurie and say, these were the issues, this is how I tried to fix them, but this QB can not make it work in the NFL. Hopefully in the end, we keep the future HOF coach, and dump the trash QB. We will win a super bowl the year Tanner McKee finally starts for us, with Siri has HC, and even with Patullo at OC who would likely look like a genius thanks to a real QB.

5 minutes ago, devpool said:

It took Andy 14 years as a HC, a team change and one of the best QBs of the last 15 years to win a SB. Change is possible but he's a bad example to point to for a "have patience" argument

I'm not even advocating for having patience at this point, I'm just advocating for not having literally no patience. I think in situations where no upside is shown, and there is truly no issues with pieces or fit, it's fine to be impatient somewhat. My problem is that we've pretty much went to extreme levels of impatience where it's starting to actually make Eagles discourse insufferable and more just a place for people to vent about not being the Chiefs of the NFC, when just over 8 years ago people were praying to win a single SB in their lifetimes.

I don't even like Patullo, but the way people react like 'You have 8 games to become Kyle Shanahan' is just ridiculous. We're going to have to constantly pluck retreads at this rate because the fanbase literally will melt down handling first time coordinators, it's just a mess. I do not regret winning SBs, they are amazing and I really appreciate it. But discourse with the fanbase has gotten so much worse, and I'm starting to feel like the things other fanbases say about Eagles fans being absolutely insufferable is becoming true as a result of the expectation has basically ascending to 'dynasty or bust'.

And to think Penn State beat this team without Big Game James. Impressive.

2 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

And to think Penn State beat this team without Big Game James. Impressive.

Speaking of Penn State, knowing very little about the new HC, Im kind of excited to see what he can do at the big program. His team has had plenty of nice draft prospects. He either recruits really well for a mid-major program, or he can develop guys. Or both. Talent level should only improve for him at Penn State. We will see if he can actually coach, unlike Franklin.

4 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

I love that Siri is more vocal. I find it hilarious that people are complaining it took him till now. Because I also know the same people would have bashed him for being too controlling had he stepped on the toes of his new OC earlier in the year rather than trying to give him time to grow.

This is objectively correct. People constantly complained and argued everything bad about the offense was him 'putting his hands in the cookie jar' before, but now it's 'oh why'd it take you so long?!?'. People actually wish for Sirianni to fail. They blame him for everything bad that happens in the offense, give everyone else credit when things go well, and nothing will convince them other than him succeeding with absolutely no help despite the poor matchup with his QB. Which is ironic because they will refute the same arguments with Hurts as being 'biased against the Eagles'.

4 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Its also find it ironic that someone used the 2021 offense as evidence that we know that "Siri's offense" stinks. Being purposely ignorant of the fact that Hurts was inarguably a horrible QB in his first full year starting in the league. But again, most of you will blame the wrong guy.

This isn't even the point to make here, though the first sentence is super ironic. The part that's super ironic is the year that's supposed to prove this, 2022, is also the only year they've had a second year Offensive Coordinator, which allowed SHANE to grow and correct the mistakes of the first season. Additionally, Sirianni was still involved that year - for some reason the walking dunce caps in the fanbase (not everyone, but the ones to whom it fits) think play-calling is basically everything, because it's the only thing they have clear and undisputed evidence as to who does what.

4 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

If nothing else, I hope Siri at least gets to go to Lurie and say, these were the issues, this is how I tried to fix them, but this QB can not make it work in the NFL. Hopefully in the end, we keep the future HOF coach, and dump the trash QB. We will win a super bowl the year Tanner McKee finally starts for us, with Siri has HC, and even with Patullo at OC who would likely look like a genius thanks to a real QB.

Disagree strongly. Patullo probably isn't good and frankly, I shouldn't even take this part seriously. Jalen Hurts is an NFL QB. But he's a better match for the people in Buffalo, or Baltimore. I want to remind you that in 2018 we went against Case Keenum in the NFCCG. Hurts is absolutely an NFL QB, but both he and Sirianni are of that level where they need a scheme fit, and none of them are getting one right now. Don't be the anti-Skippy, please.

1 hour ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

It's funny how Philadelphia Fans use the same arguments to bash Sirianni that they are absolutely livid about the media using to bash Jalen Hurts.

I really don't like fans of our team, because Eagles fans are so narrative heavy:

• If they like you, NOTHING is your fault.

• If they dislike you, EVERYTHING is your fault.

And they'll use the exact same reasoning as blame or absolving of blame depending on how they feel. My sincere impression is after 2023, the city will never like Sirianni unless he becomes Kyle Shanahan schematically, and the way Hurts has been healthy he'll pretty much never get a chance to show that they're just an awful matchup for each other from a schematic perspective. The vast majority of other coaches would have let Jalen sink in his offense based on ego and just drafted another QB, Sirianni let someone else handle it. Everyone uses that to assert he's the worst schematic coach in the history of the game, even though they've only ever seen him work with 1 QB, it's exhausting.

Part of me wishes we fire Sirianni at this point not because I think he's a bad coach, but just so the fanbase will shut the F up and stop with the 2023 PTSD. It has been by far the least enjoyable period to talk about Eagles football, despite winning a Super Bowl throughout the period. I never thought I'd see the fanbase so spoiled before we won the SB for the first time.

Not all Eagles fans feel the same. Yeah a portion of the fan base are never happy. If they move on from Sirianni (most likely after the 2026 season if it does happen) they will just complain and want the new coach fired if things aren't great all the time.

Alot of us Eagles fans probably never thought we'd win even 1 SB. Now that we have multiple and have been a contending team for the last handful of years, some fans have become spoiled. They expect to win every game and dominate. It's just not reality. Every team experiences ups and downs.

I mentioned the other day that head coaches that call plays doesnt guarantee anything. Guys like McVay and Shanahan aren't the norm in the NFL. Even so, Shanahan has won nothing. McVay has the same SB resume as Sirianni, 2 appearances, 1 win.

17 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

And to think Penn State beat this team without Big Game James. Impressive.

Who did Penn St beat?

27 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Speaking of Penn State, knowing very little about the new HC, Im kind of excited to see what he can do at the big program. His team has had plenty of nice draft prospects. He either recruits really well for a mid-major program, or he can develop guys. Or both. Talent level should only improve for him at Penn State. We will see if he can actually coach, unlike Franklin.

Penn State is pretty much dead next year with a lot of their high end recruits de committed to other schools because of the Franklin firing and the teams implosion this season. Who the hell knows what’s going to happen with this school now

18 minutes ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

This is objectively correct. People constantly complained and argued everything bad about the offense was him 'putting his hands in the cookie jar' before, but now it's 'oh why'd it take you so long?!?'. People actually wish for Sirianni to fail. They blame him for everything bad that happens in the offense, give everyone else credit when things go well, and nothing will convince them other than him succeeding with absolutely no help despite the poor matchup with his QB. Which is ironic because they will refute the same arguments with Hurts as being 'biased against the Eagles'.

This isn't even the point to make here, though the first sentence is super ironic. The part that's super ironic is the year that's supposed to prove this, 2022, is also the only year they've had a second year Offensive Coordinator, which allowed SHANE to grow and correct the mistakes of the first season. Additionally, Sirianni was still involved that year - for some reason the walking dunce caps in the fanbase (not everyone, but the ones to whom it fits) think play-calling is basically everything, because it's the only thing they have clear and undisputed evidence as to who does what.

Disagree strongly. Patullo probably isn't good and frankly, I shouldn't even take this part seriously. Jalen Hurts is an NFL QB. But he's a better match for the people in Buffalo, or Baltimore. I want to remind you that in 2018 we went against Case Keenum in the NFCCG. Hurts is absolutely an NFL QB, but both he and Sirianni are of that level where they need a scheme fit, and none of them are getting one right now. Don't be the anti-Skippy, please.

I applaud your rationality even if your opinion of Hurts is still too high.

If everyone was more like you, I might not be like me. But someone has to be the anti-Skippy, or really, the anti-RTK. This discussion about middle ground has happened in here before.

I submit that if someone is extremely wrong, then the truth is the extreme opposite. If you settle in to a middle ground, you're still wrong. Lots of scenarios where middle is nice. But middle is not always synonymous with right.

Just now, RoadToHell said:

Penn State is pretty much dead next year with a lot of their high end recruits de committed to other schools because of the Franklin firing and the teams implosion this season. Who the hell knows what’s going to happen with this school now

Yeah. Itll have to rebuild. Maybe some of his nice recruits will come with him. Wont go the whole distance to replace who theyve lost. But it can help.

37 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

Who did Penn St beat?

Indiana. Not according to college football(unofficial) but according to me(official).