Let's put it this way. AJ is open and getting the ball on the Rams. No problem. Eagles have a chance at the big prize this year so will have to address this issue in some way. Howie knows this and has the rest of the season to adjust and get ready. Particularly if the Lions win and put up big numbers too. Am thinking an 'advisor' comes in plus clear instructions to Sirianni to listen / fix it asap. Too much at stake because Fangio will have the defense ready to go by then.

I think making any in-season changes might signify that this team/Offense is therefore currently an ish-show.

Oh wait, an All-Star player just said that. Hmmmmmmmmmmm...............LOLOL.

Didn't this same team/Org/Franchise make in-season changes on the Defensive side of the ball in 2023? And things went to hell/ish? I'm having memory problems, being 54 years old and a recovering alcoholic.

34 minutes ago, LacesOut said:

I think making any in-season changes might signify that this team/Offense is therefore currently an ish-show.

Oh wait, an All-Star player just said that. Hmmmmmmmmmmm...............LOLOL.

Didn't this same team/Org/Franchise make in-season changes on the Defensive side of the ball in 2023? And things went to hell/ish? I'm having memory problems, being 54 years old and a recovering alcoholic.

Exactly. You don’t make in season changes at coordinator- we should have learned that lesson in 2023.

And this team has already faced some of the best teams in the NFL and are 7-2.

People need to relax.

100% positive Patullo gets canned at the end of ther season if the team at least doesn't make it to the Superbowl and the offense is the cause.

10 hours ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

Not a prayer, bringing in a new OC midseason would make everything worse.

Best thing the Eagles could do is appoint a relationship counsellor for Hurts and AJ.

How about a relationship counselor for Patullo, Siri, and the concept of offensive play calling?

Give me 90 minutes a week with both of them on a call with Vermeil or Doug.

If Howie does not like the reports from either one after a month then Patullo gets fired.

"Why did you do that?" "You are holding back your team", etc etc...

This is not me defending Patullo, but honestly, expectations in Philadelphia have become a bit too high I think.

Something that really bothers me is that the expectations have been going up rapidly while the experience level of the average OC has been going down. We have more and more guys who jump to the NFL as a QC coach before they rise up the college ranks, and so their first time being an OC is in the NFL. A lot of times this happens with franchises that are in the early years of building, so they grow as the team grows, and their growing pains are masked by the growing pains of the team.

However, there are rare examples where this can't be done.

Several of the head coaching candidates recently, including Ben Johnson and Bobby Slowik were first time offensive coordinators, meaning that there was some risk in picking them. It's kind of astonishing that people here think that having a year to grow does absolutely nothing for people. Surely some of you had jobs where you took a while to find your footing and then with growth became an asset to the company, when originally you felt like your capability towards performing your job was poor.

Do I think that this kind of thing should be ironed out in college? Absolutely. But the league hasn't been doing that for years, and these are the consequences of that - or put more directly, the cost of the league being obsessed with Sean McVay.

Mind you, there's no way you go into the next year complacent in just trusting that. You definitely bring in a collaborator and do a dual-install, so you can move to someone else if you need to, or if someone you like comes available, yeah, you just go after that. But what really surprises me is how many people have seemed to decide that growth is irrelevant and not possible. I guess it's because we feel like it's the best chance to repeat we've ever had, but the truth of the matter is I don't think we have the offensive line dominance to do so unless our defense is equally as good as last year by playoff time. Last year our offense was carried by the running game. This year we can't really run the ball. And it's pretty unlikely Patullo is the only cause of that, especially since it seems like blocking schemes are highly influenced by Stoutland.

No.

16 hours ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

It succeeds as an counter to the argument that the OC isn't designing/calling plays to get the ball to Brown. There were a handful of other plays.

Further, it has been well established that we run the most basic passing scheme the league. Other teams have no problem getting the ball to their #1 receiver, regardless of the coverage. We've had four different OCs, but only one QB. The offense is looking like the way Hurts wants it.

Patullo needs to do better. No doubt. But don't be naive and think that the concepts being used by other teams should be and would work here.

Not really, it was 1 play - my argument is KP isn't doing it consistently enough. Most of AJ's big plays come from broken plays where he and Hurts make something happen. It's either that, the back shoulder, or the go ball. Also, everyone has consistently complained about the routes AJ (as well as the other WR's) run in this offense, so those are the things I'm calling KP out for. I mean we all saw AJ have all pro seasons his first 2 years with Hurts. He went across the middle more back then too, so it's not like he and Hurts somehow forgot how to play. That's why I think this is more on the OC than the players.

I don't know why you're giving Hurts blame or insinuating he can't run other concepts. He doesn't pick the new OC each year, so the offense doesn't look the way he wants it. He even alluded to being in a straitjacket last season. Either way, it's true AJ should be getting more targets, but all this whining to the media needs to stop. At this point I'm all for trading AJ in the offseason so he can be happy, and finding his replacement.

I do believe the offense is constantly (regardless of the OC) designed around what Jalen wants to do. So there are going to be elements missing that would be in more traditional passing offenses. I think it has more to do with what he likes to do than what he can or can't do.

Howie may be thinking about it but highly doubt he would force Sirianni to make a change mid-season. He let Sirianni ride with Johnson until the end of the season - can't see him mandating a change from Patullo who may not be a very good play caller but isn't as bad as BJ was.

I do recall a quote from Jalen that this offense is what he (Jalen) wants it to be.

Isn't Sirianni the one that would make that decision? And no, I don't think he'd change his OC mid-season. If there's something he's good at, it's learning from past mistakes. He could probably try to get more involved or bring an extra mind, but Patullo will be the OC until the end of the season.

Last year, Moore's offense didn't take off until around this time of the year. Let's see how this goes.

On 11/12/2025 at 3:57 PM, Ace Nova said:

They’re 7-2. No one is changing anything.

They would be 9-0 with a competent offense.

5 hours ago, Swimm said:

They would be 9-0 with a competent offense.

Hurts would have passed for 500 yards against the Broncos (1 of our losses) if it wasn’t for the penalties. The passing offense could not have been better that game other than not getting penalties.

And I think the first Giants game was a letdown game regardless of anything else.

Doubt it’s happening but u feel like he’s gotta be considering it.

I looked it up the other day. The average tenure of an NFL OC is 1.2 years. While the offense is not consistent what so ever there will no change made this year. I hope and pray it will be addressed this offseason. We have an embarrassment of talent on offense for it to look so bad.

14 hours ago, scottr@pictips.com said:

I looked it up the other day. The average tenure of an NFL OC is 1.2 years. While the offense is not consistent what so ever there will no change made this year. I hope and pray it will be addressed this offseason. We have an embarrassment of talent on offense for it to look so bad.

See I just wonder whether we need to taper our expectations? There’s a lot of money loaded on to the offensive side of the ball no doubt. But we have a RB who is coming off a huge year and history suggests they decline. We have a primadona WR who’s shown signs of decline. We have an OL that is weaker at RG, has a LG who’s played hurt (and came in to the NFL with health concerns), and an aging RT who’s struggled to stay healthy. Also that OL played a huge part in the historic Saquon year. And we have an OC who most of us feel isn’t good enough and isn’t creative enough.

It's hard to say, but to me one thing is clear. When they dropped the RPO option the run game died. Just gives more credence to Jalen's role in the success of Swift, Sanders, and Barkley. I get why they're not doing it as much as Jalen has been hurt nearly every season, so they aren't doing it as much. Still, they need to figure how to run a more effective offense with the pieces they have. Why not some roll outs or bootleg options. clearly the line is also struggling. AJ looks a step slower and Hurts isn't as accurate lately. Find ways to spread his thing around and become more effective. Nevertheless, they are 8-2 and first in the conference, having knocked of two teams the national media told us were better than them. They basically own all tie breakers and control their own destiny. KP is probably not qualified for the job he has, but there is no chance the Eagles make any moves until the offseason and if they find a way to win the SB again, then I see no shot he gets replaced unless some time hires him as their HC.

On 11/16/2025 at 6:38 AM, Swimm said:

They would be 9-0 with a competent offense.

8-1 for me. As they should have never won the Rams game.

On 11/17/2025 at 12:49 PM, scottr@pictips.com said:

I looked it up the other day. The average tenure of an NFL OC is 1.2 years. While the offense is not consistent what so ever there will no change made this year. I hope and pray it will be addressed this offseason. We have an embarrassment of talent on offense for it to look so bad.

That's why McDaniels is a tremendous asset for the Patriots. He sucked as HC, but he gave continuity for many years to Belichick and Brady. Now he's doing the same with Vrabel and Maye.

It'd be great to get our version of Fangio on the offensive side of the ball, that's why I wanted Reich or another good OC who won't get another chance at being a head coach.

1 hour ago, beto_eagles said:

That's why McDaniels is a tremendous asset for the Patriots. He sucked as HC, but he gave continuity for many years to Belichick and Brady. Now he's doing the same with Vrabel and Maye.

It'd be great to get our version of Fangio on the offensive side of the ball, that's why I wanted Reich or another good OC who won't get another chance at being a head coach.

100 percent agree. I could have sworn Moore was already a HC but was obviously wrong. I did read he is on the hot seat since the Saints are a dumpster fire. Having a consistent OC would be so beneficial for Hurts. We need an OC for 3 years so we can have a single offensive philosophy and game plan to the strengths of our players and not have our playbook made out of bubble wrap.

Patullo might get relieved of play calling, but they won't fire him. Besides, there will be a few OC available in the offseason when the firings start. Teams that could fire the coaching staff:

Giants

Minnesota

Cardinals

Bengals

Dallas

Raiders

Titans

Dolphins

Jets

Texans

What could change things is if the eagles do a 2023 collapse but hard to see that with the defense getting better.

Mid-season changing coach usually does not work well. Getting someone experienced as consultant or special assistant may help him to do a better game-planning, though may not on calling plays which are the quick and at the instant thing.

Unless we win the SB again, OC is very likely a new person next season. Constant changing OC, which is the case in Hurts' tenure as QB, is not ideal. But that looks like a trend if the team is successful, coaches get pirated away.

Someone on this forum mentioned bringing in an "offensive advisor" type of guy for THIS YEAR. I would do that, KNOWING I am canning KP after this season.

The offense has been underperforming all season. Every week it’s a struggle, no consistency, no running game, bone head decisions. It isn’t all on the players.