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13 hours ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

 

I respect Gunn, but Eskin in a clown. "Having interest" could just mean that they're "monitoring" the situation to see what the resolution is, but until there is some kind of clarity on the situation and what penalties Watson is facing, they won't be making a move. Suffice it to say, I don't think this case is anywhere close to being resolved, and with the heightened scrutiny surrounding allegations of sexual misconduct these days, I would be incredibly surprised to see the Eagles step on landmine like that. Unless Watson is cleared of wrongdoing, I would be shocked to see the organization to make any move in that direction.

It’s a huge risk to take on by the Eagles. The Texans want three firsts (good luck with that) for a disgruntled guy with a series of sexual misconduct cases against him, and a huge contract, to go with a possible looming suspension or worse. If Howie trades for this guy before all this is cleared up then he should be fired. 

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24 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

It’s a huge risk to take on by the Eagles. The Texans want three firsts (good luck with that) for a disgruntled guy with a series of sexual misconduct cases against him, and a huge contract, to go with a possible looming suspension or worse. If Howie trades for this guy before all this is cleared up then he should be fired. 

Yeah they aren't going to get that kind of haul for him at this point. I mean if he's all cleared of charges etc then his value may bounce back. 

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1 hour ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Yeah they aren't going to get that kind of haul for him at this point. I mean if he's all cleared of charges etc then his value may bounce back. 

I think I read he has like two more changes against him from different women too. Howie would be wise to steer clear of this dude for a while.

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2 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

It’s a huge risk to take on by the Eagles. The Texans want three firsts (good luck with that) for a disgruntled guy with a series of sexual misconduct cases against him, and a huge contract, to go with a possible looming suspension or worse. If Howie trades for this guy before all this is cleared up then he should be fired. 

As everyone know I think Mr. Roseman does a good job.

But this would be a mistake of epic proportions.

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If Watson gets cleared (and the longer this goes the longer shot it is he comes out completely unscathed) then maybe Howie looks at a deal, but we need to extend or replace some or all of Mailata, Sweat, Barnett and Goedert before next year and as it stands even without those extensions, we don't have the cap space for Watson's salary in 2022, if you make that space by cutting or trading people like Cox, Brooks, Graham or Johnson (and they would be tough sells unless Johnson is back to 2018) you're creating other big holes you need to fill through drafting or free agency but Watson will cost most or all of your Day 1 draft capital and most of your cap room. Kelce is more or less certain to retire after this year and will need replacing (yes Dickerson but Seumalo is a free agent after 2022 as well, Herbig is only under contract this year) Slay will be another year older and his cap numbers after this year are scary, they put him in the top 3 of corner salaries, and he ain't Charles Woodson,  Harris, Nelson and Adams are all one year rentals that will need a decision at year end and McLeod and Maddox are free agents after this year, that's pretty much our entire 1st string secondary.

Signing Watson would gut the roster and basically turn us into the Texans, a decent offensive tackle and a QB breaking records to win absolutely nothing. It would make sense for an organisation that had been run well in terms of roster turnover the last decade, but that isn't us, we need to fix up the house properly in terms of cap and contracts and that means building through the draft until most or all the over 30's with void years out the wazoo are no longer on the premises.

Even if Watson was cleared Tomorrow, blowing our first rounders next year on him would cancel the rebuild while reinforcing why it needs to happen.

 

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10 hours ago, 700Level4Life said:

They are like that because Hurts isnt that good. Joe Flacco will start a game this season. Not because of injury, but because of poor QB play.

 

You talk about drafting.....look at Howies track record. He stinks. 

The silver lining is if that comes true, we'll be drafting top 5!

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10 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

I think I read he has like two more changes against him from different women too. Howie would be wise to steer clear of this dude for a while.

Yeah he would be you're right. Let's first see how this all plays out. 

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9 hours ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

If Watson gets cleared (and the longer this goes the longer shot it is he comes out completely unscathed) then maybe Howie looks at a deal, but we need to extend or replace some or all of Mailata, Sweat, Barnett and Goedert before next year and as it stands even without those extensions, we don't have the cap space for Watson's salary in 2022, if you make that space by cutting or trading people like Cox, Brooks, Graham or Johnson (and they would be tough sells unless Johnson is back to 2018) you're creating other big holes you need to fill through drafting or free agency but Watson will cost most or all of your Day 1 draft capital and most of your cap room. Kelce is more or less certain to retire after this year and will need replacing (yes Dickerson but Seumalo is a free agent after 2022 as well, Herbig is only under contract this year) Slay will be another year older and his cap numbers after this year are scary, they put him in the top 3 of corner salaries, and he ain't Charles Woodson,  Harris, Nelson and Adams are all one year rentals that will need a decision at year end and McLeod and Maddox are free agents after this year, that's pretty much our entire 1st string secondary.

Signing Watson would gut the roster and basically turn us into the Texans, a decent offensive tackle and a QB breaking records to win absolutely nothing. It would make sense for an organisation that had been run well in terms of roster turnover the last decade, but that isn't us, we need to fix up the house properly in terms of cap and contracts and that means building through the draft until most or all the over 30's with void years out the wazoo are no longer on the premises.

Even if Watson was cleared Tomorrow, blowing our first rounders next year on him would cancel the rebuild while reinforcing why it needs to happen.

 

I’ve been looking at some of the ramifications for cutting some of those Howie restructuring contracts and most of them if released offer little to no cap relief and generally cause more dead cap money. Unfortunately the only way he can really offer any cap help is to either restructure again (I hope he doesn’t) or just let these contracts play out for another year or two. I think trades could also help, because they can at least get a younger and cheaper option to fill the void. 

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8 hours ago, EaglesAddict said:

The silver lining is if that comes true, we'll be drafting top 5!

Honestly I’d rather thy just bite the bullet for a season with Hurts and if he is god awful then they’re likely in a position to draft a young stud quarterback and I’d rather they do that than throw a bunch of picks at Watson and kill their cap and any chances of building youth on this roster. Watson had great numbers last season and his team still only won 4 games. Even he needs talent around him so trading for him would be a wast of resources time and money. 

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"I initially wondered how the play might turn out since Hurts double-clutched the ball instead of just letting it rip but the quarterback put some nice touch on it for Smith to run underneath and make an over-the-shoulder catch. Not to make everything a comparison but, as the ball hung in the air, I had more confidence in it being completed than I would if Carson Wentz was throwing it. I’ve seen my fair share of Wentz overthrows in both game and practice settings. The Eagles might have a more efficient deep passing game with Hurts under center.”

https://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2021/7/29/22600398/eagles-training-camp-practice-notes-devonta-smith-left-tackle-battle-update-jordan-mailata-dillard
 

But I know Hurts stinks tho….🙄

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On 7/30/2021 at 6:48 AM, Cochis_Calhoun said:

If Watson gets cleared (and the longer this goes the longer shot it is he comes out completely unscathed) then maybe Howie looks at a deal,

He shouldn't, no player is worth 3 or 2 1st round picks, that would be a landslide victory for the Texans, it'll be Herschel Walker all over again, ask the Vikes how that turned out.

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1 hour ago, EagleVA said:

He shouldn't, no player is worth 3 or 2 1st round picks, that would be a landslide victory for the Texans, it'll be Herschel Walker all over again, ask the Vikes how that turned out.

As I go on to say, I wouldn't make the deal, it would set us back years. . 

I can absolutely see Howie making the deal though, 100%.

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On 7/29/2021 at 11:19 AM, EaglesAddict said:

Does anyone else get the impression that the Eagles aren't "embracing" Hurts?  Anytime Roseman or Sirianni are questioned about him, all answers tend to be lukewarm and non-committal. Would definitely correlate to all the smoke about the Eagles being interested in Watson.

And I find that irritating.  Why on earth would you draft a QB in the 2nd round last year if you only ever viewed him as a "cheap backup"?  Such a damn waste if that's true.  It's either that, or over the course of last year they feel like they have a true evaluation of his potential and feel like they definitely need to improve on that position (which would mean terrible evaluation pre-draft...or terrible decision-making to draft him at all).

It's essentially his job to lose for now. Of course Howie is keeping an eye on the Watson situation. Lots of teams are. I'm sure every team called Packers about Rodgers when that was going down. There was the report they tried to trade up for Wilson

They are going with Hurts for this season but keeping the door open for any better chances

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1 hour ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

As I go on to say, I wouldn't make the deal, it would set us back years. . 

I can absolutely see Howie making the deal though, 100%.

I agree with pretty much everything you say about this setting us back, but although Howie has a lot of faults, I don't think he's stupid enough to make this deal and if he was, I don't think there is any way Lurie lets him with these allegations still live.

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7 hours ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

I can absolutely see Howie making the deal though, 100%.

I hate to say it but so can I, he's such a dumbarse.

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21 hours ago, ManchesterEagle said:

I agree with pretty much everything you say about this setting us back, but although Howie has a lot of faults, I don't think he's stupid enough to make this deal and if he was, I don't think there is any way Lurie lets him with these allegations still live.

For all we know Lurie could be pushing for the move. Lurie doesn’t care about some bad PR, but we do know he’s involved in personnel decisions and we also know Howie doesn’t mind taking the heat for him, and Howie scapegoating others. Howie may look like the face of a move for Watson, but it could be Lurie the whole time.

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5 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

For all we know Lurie could be pushing for the move. Lurie doesn’t care about some bad PR, but we do know he’s involved in personnel decisions and we also know Howie doesn’t mind taking the heat for him, and Howie scapegoating others. Howie may look like the face of a move for Watson, but it could be Lurie the whole time.

The recent I thought Lurie might be against it is that he is well known movie producer. With all the Weinstein stuff, I would have thought he would have wanted to stay completely away from making Watson the face of his franchise.

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3 hours ago, ManchesterEagle said:

The recent I thought Lurie might be against it is that he is well known movie producer. With all the Weinstein stuff, I would have thought he would have wanted to stay completely away from making Watson the face of his franchise.

If that were true there would be zero rumors and the Eagles would simply shut it down. I really doubt they would still be in the mix for this guy if 11 were still here. I really do hope it’s all some kind of smoke screen. I don’t see any good coming from trading for Watson. 

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11 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

If that were true there would be zero rumors and the Eagles would simply shut it down. I really doubt they would still be in the mix for this guy if 11 were still here. I really do hope it’s all some kind of smoke screen. I don’t see any good coming from trading for Watson. 

I should have qualified. I think that's the case for now. I think if his cases get resolved the Eagles may have interest and are probably hoping he lasts until next year so that they can have a bit of certainty on his cases and a chance to take a look at Hurts. Ultimately Watson puts the Eagles in a big hole in terms of turning over an aging roster and he would be a nightmare, particularly this year under the salary cap.

 

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On 8/2/2021 at 9:38 PM, ManchesterEagle said:

I should have qualified. I think that's the case for now. I think if his cases get resolved the Eagles may have interest and are probably hoping he lasts until next year so that they can have a bit of certainty on his cases and a chance to take a look at Hurts. Ultimately Watson puts the Eagles in a big hole in terms of turning over an aging roster and he would be a nightmare, particularly this year under the salary cap.

 

Howie is definitely interested. I just don't think there's any doubt about that. I mean they potentially have a need at QB, they can't be all in on Hurts at this point and Watson is a very talented QB who could be available. Whether they would make the move (this year or next) is another matter. 

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If you are one of the "I know everything, I'm connected, I told you so" guys in the media, it makes sense to lay it out there early that the Eagles are in hot pursuit of Watson.

This was always going to be a long process, so if they end up with him, you can say you said it and called it at the beginning.   And if they don't, you can just walk away from it over time and say they intended to get him and just finally backed out because of some unforeseen revelation with the legal issues.

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2 hours ago, eagle45 said:

If you are one of the "I know everything, I'm connected, I told you so" guys in the media, it makes sense to lay it out there early that the Eagles are in hot pursuit of Watson.

This was always going to be a long process, so if they end up with him, you can say you said it and called it at the beginning.   And if they don't, you can just walk away from it over time and say they intended to get him and just finally backed out because of some unforeseen revelation with the legal issues.

Yeah it is a bit of a win win situation really for those media guys. Because ultimately this is out of their control but they can say that the Eagles are interested because on some level they do. It may not be strong interest but there's some form of interest there no doubt. 

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3 hours ago, eagle45 said:

If you are one of the "I know everything, I'm connected, I told you so" guys in the media, it makes sense to lay it out there early that the Eagles are in hot pursuit of Watson.

This was always going to be a long process, so if they end up with him, you can say you said it and called it at the beginning.   And if they don't, you can just walk away from it over time and say they intended to get him and just finally backed out because of some unforeseen revelation with the legal issues.

 

1 hour ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Yeah it is a bit of a win win situation really for those media guys. Because ultimately this is out of their control but they can say that the Eagles are interested because on some level they do. It may not be strong interest but there's some form of interest there no doubt. 

The only reputable report I’ve seen states that the Eagles are "monitoring the situation”

They should be monitoring the situation, he’s a top 10 QB. 
 

But there is no way we should be trading for him until next year at the earliest, given the allegations and the cap issues. Yes we have some extra draft picks, but that Wentz pick is going to be a second now and we badly need to replace some of our older players, particularly on D.

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16 minutes ago, ManchesterEagle said:

 

The only reputable report I’ve seen states that the Eagles are "monitoring the situation”

They should be monitoring the situation, he’s a top 10 QB. 
 

But there is no way we should be trading for him until next year at the earliest, given the allegations and the cap issues. Yes we have some extra draft picks, but that Wentz pick is going to be a second now and we badly need to replace some of our older players, particularly on D.

Exactly and that's kind of my point bud. Of course they are interested because at this point they should be. A lot of teams should be interested in him. Doesn't mean they or we will end up getting him but it's a safe thing to report that we are interested. 

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