time2rock Posted December 19, 2020 Share Posted December 19, 2020 Update: hired by Lions It is being reported that former KC and Cleveland GM John Dorsey has been working in some capacity as a consultant here in Philadelphia. Interesting little nugget. Howie may not be getting fired but perhaps Dorsey will have a larger role in talent evaluation, similar to the role Douglas had. https://rsnunited.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/eagles/john-dorsey-eagles-front-office-howie-roseman-jeffrey-lurie 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EagleJoe8 Posted December 19, 2020 Share Posted December 19, 2020 It's a start at least, but we still need more. Howie will still call the shots and ignore advice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
time2rock Posted December 19, 2020 Author Share Posted December 19, 2020 14 minutes ago, EagleJoe8 said: It's a start at least, but we still need more. Howie will still call the shots and ignore advice. That is certainly the concern. I’ve always wondered how much Howie goes with his own evaluations over recommendations from those doing the scouting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagle45 Posted December 19, 2020 Share Posted December 19, 2020 I said this was the worst case scenario before...another babysitter and future fall guy for our GM. If a GM needs a babysitter, he shouldn’t be a GM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EagleJoe8 Posted December 19, 2020 Share Posted December 19, 2020 7 minutes ago, time2rock said: That is certainly the concern. I’ve always wondered how much Howie goes with his own evaluations over recommendations from those doing the scouting. Probably more than we'll ever know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
time2rock Posted December 19, 2020 Author Share Posted December 19, 2020 22 minutes ago, eagle45 said: I said this was the worst case scenario before...another babysitter and future fall guy for our GM. If a GM needs a babysitter, he shouldn’t be a GM. The only way it works is if Howie concedes full control over talent evaluation. If he still has final say then we’re still at square one. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EagleJoe8 Posted December 19, 2020 Share Posted December 19, 2020 28 minutes ago, time2rock said: The only way it works is if Howie concedes full control over talent evaluation. If he still has final say then we’re still at square one. And of course, he'll keep final say because it gives him the ability to take credit for all the decent picks, while passing the buck for all the bad ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olsilverhair Posted December 19, 2020 Share Posted December 19, 2020 seems cleveland was more than glad he's gone from their team, guy has a lot of draft misses, alot more misses than hits Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toughfighter83 Posted December 19, 2020 Share Posted December 19, 2020 9 minutes ago, olsilverhair said: seems cleveland was more than glad he's gone from their team, guy has a lot of draft misses, alot more misses than hits so you would have howie that cant hit picks at all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliEagle Posted December 19, 2020 Share Posted December 19, 2020 Basically Lurie hired a part-time babysitter but the baby is still in charge of things. That's not going to get it done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawkeye Posted December 19, 2020 Share Posted December 19, 2020 This has Andy Reid’s fingerprints all over it and I think he was GM in Kansas City when Doug was there. He drafted Mahomes, Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelce but KC had cap issues and he was supposed to be a dick to work with. He also drafted Baker Mayfield and Nick Chubb in Cleveland but barely lasted two years as GM. He is a hell of an evaluator of talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsdarkstar Posted December 19, 2020 Share Posted December 19, 2020 It doesn't take a rocket scientist to pick Jefferson over Reagor or Metacalf over JJ. Hopefully, Dorsey will Tell Howie he's wrong when he tries to pick Reagor over Jefferson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
time2rock Posted December 19, 2020 Author Share Posted December 19, 2020 19 minutes ago, toughfighter83 said: so you would have howie that cant hit picks at all? Sanders, Goedert, Sweat, Big V, Mailata. Not a long list but also can’t pretend he has never hit on a pick. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AzBirdGang Posted December 19, 2020 Share Posted December 19, 2020 This is the worst case scenario. Looks like Howie is here to stay again. Dorsey has tons of misses. Browns fans were so happy to lose him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EagleJoe8 Posted December 19, 2020 Share Posted December 19, 2020 1 hour ago, toughfighter83 said: so you would have howie that cant hit picks at all? So you’ve moved on from strawmen to false dichotomies. It’s like we’re watching you grow before our very eyes. Way to go kid! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil77 Posted December 19, 2020 Share Posted December 19, 2020 Don’t let him hire Dougs replacement just let him draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Procus Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-1000 Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 That sucks. Would have been nice to have him involved in the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
time2rock Posted January 24, 2021 Author Share Posted January 24, 2021 And now being reported that Dorsey is leaving to take a position with Detroit. https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/eagles/john-dorsey-joining-lions-wont-end-full-time-eagles-after-all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman420 Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 20 minutes ago, time2rock said: And now being reported that Dorsey is leaving to take a position with Detroit. https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/eagles/john-dorsey-joining-lions-wont-end-full-time-eagles-after-all I was just coming on to post this. It’s pretty upsetting honestly. I was really hoping we had someone who could actually evaluate talent in howies ear. Now we’re back to nowhere again 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UK_EaglesFan89 Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 So Howie doesn't get fired and Dorsey is now with the Lions. Which means once again it'll be Howie having most say on picks. Great. But don't worry guys, some of those picked 1-5 will be on our radar. And Howie will like those players a lot and it'll just be unfortunate that they were picked before we got on the clock. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EagleJoe8 Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 6 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said: So Howie doesn't get fired and Dorsey is now with the Lions. Which means once again it'll be Howie having most say on picks. Great. But don't worry guys, some of those picked 1-5 will be on our radar. And Howie will like those players a lot and it'll just be unfortunate that they were picked before we got on the clock. Howie was going to have that final say regardless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOTW Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 4 minutes ago, EagleJoe8 said: Howie was going to have that final say regardless. And now it's back to the same minds responsible for last year's draft alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sack that QB Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 The Eagles will cycle through personnel guys on an annual or bi-annual basis, as Howie is the king and no one ever has a chance to advance above him. It is what it is. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EagleJoe8 Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 4 minutes ago, NOTW said: And now it's back to the same minds responsible for last year's draft alone. It sucks, but the only positive, is it leaves Howie with no where to hide. His shield is gone. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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