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  1. 1. What action should be taken against a high school coach/teacher for using the term Auschwitz as the name of a play in a game?

    • Fire him completely
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    • Remove him as coach but let him continue to teach after being given a formal warning/reprimand
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    • Warn/reprimand him and let him keep both roles
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    • Do nothing, it's a stupid thing to get upset about ; just tell him to change the name of the play
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So some guy named Dave Maimaron has been fired as football coach of a high school outside Boston for using derogatory terms to denote football plays.  The terms were rabbi, dreidel (had to look that one up), and Auschwitz. In addition to his removal from the football team, he is currently placed on leave from his teacher job at the school pending further investigation.

I'm wondering what people in here think should be done.  Obviously the school can do what they want.  My question here is what we in CVON feel about this incident from a moral perspective.

Naturally, there could be a lot more to this story than meets the eye but in the press reports I've seen this morning the only thing mentioned is the use of these three words.  To me two of them are nothing burgers.  Not even worth a mention or question mark.  However, no one should be using the term Auschwitz to name a football play for a high school team (or any other team for that matter).  I'm not so sure it should be an event worth a firing though.

Thoughts?

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21 minutes ago, EagleJoe8 said:

Rabbi and dreidel on their own might seem harmless, but in conjunction with Auschwitz, seems like this coach has underlying anti-Semitic thoughts going on. 

Could be yes.  The media reports aren't providing any background data.  I suspect there may be more info here.

For example, if the other team was from a Jewish school it would be quite easy to see the level of issue here.

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Totally inappropriate. His relationship at that school is now irreparable. Somebody who does this openly around kids has no business coaching or teaching them. He should be fired.

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1 hour ago, Toastrel said:

Fire him. If you know anything about Auschwitz, you should know better.

An educator should know better.

I don't understand why this would even be a debate. Like of all the words in the English language, the name of an extermination camp during the Holocaust has to be at the top of the list of the absolute worst words you could use. What else did he pass on as being too edgy? Ball gag, kiddie rape, and the N-word?

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Dare I ask WHY he did this?  I feel like we only get one side of the story these days and he is instantly cancelled.  Maybe he was trying to teach his kids something about historical struggles in Jewish heritage. Do we even know if he is Jewish?

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24 minutes ago, The Norseman said:

Dare I ask WHY he did this?  I feel like we only get one side of the story these days and he is instantly cancelled.  Maybe he was trying to teach his kids something about historical struggles in Jewish heritage. Do we even know if he is Jewish?

Sure, no doubt just a coach trying to teach a little history in the huddle. Uh huh. Reasonable position.

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5 minutes ago, Toastrel said:

Sure, no doubt just a coach trying to teach a little history in the huddle. Uh huh. Reasonable position.

I'm not taking a position.  Unlike everyone else, I'm asking for more details before I take one.  

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4 hours ago, The Norseman said:

Dare I ask WHY he did this?  I feel like we only get one side of the story these days and he is instantly cancelled.  Maybe he was trying to teach his kids something about historical struggles in Jewish heritage. Do we even know if he is Jewish?

Even so, that's quite a stretch.... The football field isn't the place where this lesson should be taught. It can be easily misconstrued when they're supposed to be learning about football and enjoying an activity. There's a better time and place to learn this when it can be treated with the respect it deserves. It was completely inappropriate. I would not allow my kids on this coach's team, and I do not want them in a classroom with him either.

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56 minutes ago, The Norseman said:

Dare I ask WHY he did this?  I feel like we only get one side of the story these days and he is instantly cancelled.  Maybe he was trying to teach his kids something about historical struggles in Jewish heritage. Do we even know if he is Jewish?

"Cancel Culture!" :lol:

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1 minute ago, The Norseman said:

I didn't offer no opinion, I asked some questions.

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Maybe he was trying to teach his kids something about historical struggles in Jewish heritage.

That's not a question. That was your opinion of why he did it.

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3 minutes ago, toolg said:

Even so, that's quite a stretch.... The football field isn't the place where this lesson should be taught. It lesson can easily be misconstrued when they're supposed to be learning about football and enjoying an activity. There's a better time and place to learn this lesson when it can be treated with the respect it deserves. It was completely inappropriate. I would not allow my kids on this coach's team, and I do not want them in a classroom with him either.

I agree it looks bad.  I would just like to have a few more details before I vote to fire a guy and ruin is life.  

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7 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Sure you did. Your thinly veiled opinion was he was a victim of cancel culture. 

Are you suggesting he was not?  This man's life has now been completely ruined.   You don't even know him and already you have all branded him as a racist.  Even if this turns out to be a non issue and he isn't fired, the media will have moved on and the damage will have been done.  What if something that you said was misconstrued and you lost your job and were ostracized from society.  Wouldn't you want to at least tell your side of the story?

If it is what it looks like, then yes, he should not be in a position to teach or coach kids.  But I would like to be darn of that sure before I completely ruin his life.

That's my opinion. 

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Just now, The Norseman said:

Are you suggesting he was not?  This man's life has now been completely ruined.   You don't even know him and already you have all branded him as a racist.  Even if this turns out to be a non issue and he isn't fired, the media will have moved on and the damage will have been done.  What if something that you said was misconstrued and you lost your job and were ostracized from society.  Wouldn't you want to at least tell your side of the story?

If it is what it looks like, then yes, he should not be in a position to teach or coach kids.  But I would like to be darn of that sure before I completely ruin his life.

Look, this is really simple. Saying he was a victim of cancel culture is an opinion. By this logic, anyone in history who's ever been fired from any job for inappropriate behavior is a victim of "cancel culture." I'm suggesting you look up the definitions of the words you attempt to use.

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Why is it always the Trumpbots who chime in with the most idiotic hot takes?

 

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Norseman: "How do we know he wasn't at the Capitol to teach them all about the history of extermination camps and Jewish culture? We don't even know his side of the story and you're already trying to cancel him!"

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