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Not sure if this is the right place to post this, but I found it fascinating…. Jason Avant explains why Mike Vick sucked so bad after his excellent 2010 season. 
 

 

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I'm sure Mudd played a big part in it, but Vick was struggling to deal with the bitz late in the 2010 season. That's when it started to go downhill for him.

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On 7/15/2021 at 9:45 PM, toolg said:

Not sure if this is the right place to post this, but I found it fascinating…. Jason Avant explains why Mike Vick sucked so bad after his excellent 2010 season. 
 

 

Interesting listen. His comment at the end about Vick becoming one of the all-time greats if Mudd doesn't get hired was insane, though. At that point, Vick was already past 30 with his athleticism on the decline. Without becoming a more cerebral QB by age 30, he pretty much maximized his potential as a QB and I doubt just a couple more years with Jamal Jackson at center would have changed much. 

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Yeah sorry- we all lived it, it was very apparent he could not read the defenses thoroughly (similar to Hurts) Teams learned if they blitzed the interior of the line this confused Vick, and he would bail 90% to his left. The double A Gap blitz schemes, and his inability to read the defenses and know what to do were his undoing.Reid/mudd were complicit in this.

 

This is common for QB's who are used to relying on their athletic ability to get by. Vick was THAT guy, he was the ultimate athlete, he could run and he could throw accurately on the run, he had a hell of an arm. Problem is he was used to relying on that and not learning the qb position like a pocket passer. Had he done that, he could have been legendary HOF type QB. This is where Lamar Jackson is also at. He is a fantastic athlete, but he has to learn the rest of the game or he is one big hit away from being RGIII or Vick #2. 

The problem is guys with their type of athletic ability are so used to just being a better athlete than most on the same field, and they rely on that.

 

 

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On 10/27/2021 at 9:44 AM, Ipiggles said:

Yeah sorry- we all lived it, it was very apparent he could not read the defenses thoroughly (similar to Hurts) Teams learned if they blitzed the interior of the line this confused Vick, and he would bail 90% to his left. The double A Gap blitz schemes, and his inability to read the defenses and know what to do were his undoing.Reid/mudd were complicit in this.

 

This is common for QB's who are used to relying on their athletic ability to get by. Vick was THAT guy, he was the ultimate athlete, he could run and he could throw accurately on the run, he had a hell of an arm. Problem is he was used to relying on that and not learning the qb position like a pocket passer. Had he done that, he could have been legendary HOF type QB. This is where Lamar Jackson is also at. He is a fantastic athlete, but he has to learn the rest of the game or he is one big hit away from being RGIII or Vick #2. 

The problem is guys with their type of athletic ability are so used to just being a better athlete than most on the same field, and they rely on that.

 

 

So perhaps the next great experiment is getting a child psychologist to train these types of people to be more open to learning from a younger age

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Hiring Mudd was the beginning of the end for Reid in Philly.  Mudd replaced Juan Castillo.  Reid is loyal to his assistants and hired Castillo as the DC.  That didn't sit well with Lurie, and Reid was out shortly thereafter.

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On 3/22/2022 at 2:32 AM, Procus said:

Hiring Mudd was the beginning of the end for Reid in Philly.  Mudd replaced Juan Castillo.  Reid is loyal to his assistants and hired Castillo as the DC.  That didn't sit well with Lurie, and Reid was out shortly thereafter.

Sounds like Doug.

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