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Kyle Hamilton (Notre Dame S) -- 2022 Draft (Early Entry?)

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10 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

JD and Ojabo? I’ve warmed to Linderbaum now that we are actually a running team.

Karlaftis or Leal if we don’t trade up from the Dolphins pick. Hutchinson would be the target if we do I guess.

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Just now, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

You'd give up the Colts pick for example to go and get Hutchinson? Or Hamilton but I do agree with you I don't see them doing it.

For Hutch 3-5 spots, not for Hamilton.

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4 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

You'd give up the Colts pick for example to go and get Hutchinson? Or Hamilton but I do agree with you I don't see them doing it.

I hate to ever say "zero chance" about practically anything, but I'd have to say there is (practically) zero chance we'd use a high pick to move up for a S.  Heck, under normal circumstances I have a hard time thinking we'd take a S in the first even without moving up.  But obviously having 3 (likely) 1st rd picks is not "normal circumstances" ... that could open the door to taking a S or maybe even a LB on day 1 (but I still put the chances fairly low).  

And while I love Hutch, I wouldn't want to move up for him.  If he fell to us and we take him great.  But I much prefer to use those 3 high picks on 3 separate players.  If Howie used 2 of them on a single player and that player crapped out for whatever reason, that would be extremely bad.  

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2 hours ago, time2rock said:

I hate to ever say "zero chance" about practically anything, but I'd have to say there is (practically) zero chance we'd use a high pick to move up for a S.  Heck, under normal circumstances I have a hard time thinking we'd take a S in the first even without moving up.  But obviously having 3 (likely) 1st rd picks is not "normal circumstances" ... that could open the door to taking a S or maybe even a LB on day 1 (but I still put the chances fairly low).  

And while I love Hutch, I wouldn't want to move up for him.  If he fell to us and we take him great.  But I much prefer to use those 3 high picks on 3 separate players.  If Howie used 2 of them on a single player and that player crapped out for whatever reason, that would be extremely bad.  

Agreed.

In that 8-12 range, we’ll probably target someone like Leal or Karlaftis IMO.

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17 hours ago, Ray75 said:

Agreed.

In that 8-12 range, we’ll probably target someone like Leal or Karlaftis IMO.

Yes that seems most likely.  But I wouldn't completely rule out Hutch being there with our first pick though.  Have to figure Thibodeaux, Stingley, and Hamilton are locks to go early.  I also believe we are likely to see 2 QBs (minimum) go in top 10.  2017 was another draft that was described as a weak QB class (defined pre draft process) but yielded 2 top 10 picks on them.  Have to think Neal will go early as well.  That's 6 players.  Let's hope Miami starts losing more games to bump that pick up from 8 to maybe 5-6 but their schedule is somewhat weak (Panthers, Giants, Jets are next 3 ... after that a bit tougher of a 3 game stretch to end the season:  Saints, Titans, Patriots).  

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39 minutes ago, time2rock said:

Yes that seems most likely.  But I wouldn't completely rule out Hutch being there with our first pick though.  Have to figure Thibodeaux, Stingley, and Hamilton are locks to go early.  I also believe we are likely to see 2 QBs (minimum) go in top 10.  2017 was another draft that was described as a weak QB class (defined pre draft process) but yielded 2 top 10 picks on them.  Have to think Neal will go early as well.  That's 6 players.  Let's hope Miami starts losing more games to bump that pick up from 8 to maybe 5-6 but their schedule is somewhat weak (Panthers, Giants, Jets are next 3 ... after that a bit tougher of a 3 game stretch to end the season:  Saints, Titans, Patriots).  

Agreed.

Let’s hope the Dolphins lose at least 4 of those games. At 5-11 we’ll likely end up with a top 6 pick. If Thibodeaux goes No.1 and either or both the Lions and Texans grab a QB and another team takes Neal (come on Jags), one of Hutch, Stingley or Hamilton will fall right into our lap.

I’m also rooting for the Bears since Giants own their first. They’re picking 6th and 7th at the moment and could steal 2 prospects right in front of our noses. Man would I feel horrible if they end up taking Hutch and Stingley/Hamilton before we’re on the clock. Sort of what we did to them in april. Could be payback time.

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46 minutes ago, Ray75 said:

Agreed.

Let’s hope the Dolphins lose at least 4 of those games. At 5-11 we’ll likely end up with a top 6 pick. If Thibodeaux goes No.1 and either or both the Lions and Texans grab a QB and another team takes Neal (come on Jags), one of Hutch, Stingley or Hamilton will fall right into our lap.

I’m also rooting for the Bears since Giants own their first. They’re picking 6th and 7th at the moment and could steal 2 prospects right in front of our noses. Man would I feel horrible if they end up taking Hutch and Stingley/Hamilton before we’re on the clock. Sort of what we did to them in april. Could be payback time.

If they lose 4 that would put them at 6-11.  This past draft, teams with 6 wins were picking 9-10 (and teams with 11 losses were picking 5-7).  So I imagine if they end up 6-11 we'd likely be picking 7 or 8.  

I definitely hear ya on rooting for the Bears - been having the same thoughts about NY (currently projected) picking before us.  Who knows though, maybe they finally give up on the Jones experiment and pick another QB - he's awful.  Obviously pulling for NY to win as many games to close out the season as possible (except for the 2 they play us :lol: ).  They play Miami on Dec 5th - would be a double win for us if NY won that game.  

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On 11/25/2021 at 3:32 PM, ibleedgreen1990 said:

Hope we can get him!

I hope so too. But we can hope all we like it isn't going to happen. 

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6 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I hope so too. But we can hope all we like it isn't going to happen. 

Probably not. But there are multiple factors in play here..

How high will the Dolphin pick be? How will he look at the combine? Will there be multiple top10 QBs despite what everybody is saying right now?

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4 hours ago, Infam said:

Probably not. But there are multiple factors in play here..

How high will the Dolphin pick be? How will he look at the combine? Will there be multiple top10 QBs despite what everybody is saying right now?

The biggest factor though is Howie... And even if Hamilton is on the board he won't take him. 

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5 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

The biggest factor though is Howie... And even if Hamilton is on the board he won't take him. 

Wouldn’t be so sure. I’d think he’d rather pick DE, but if the top prospects are gone who knows. Don’t underestimate how much the coaches factor in. I bet Siriani had some sway in drafting Smith too.

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https://www.profootballnetwork.com/2022-nfl-mock-draft-miller-november/
 

(8) Philadelphia Eagles: Kyle Hamilton, S, Notre Dame

That sound you hear is expletives from every single team drafting behind the Philadelphia Eagles. Team officials threw pens, slammed tables, and called their therapist over this one.

With two more picks upcoming, there is ample time to fill more significant needs later. Kyle Hamilton might be the most gifted player in this class. He is a unicorn on the back end. His range and versatility had struck me since I first laid eyes on him while studying the 2020 NFL Draft class as a freshman.

He was the best player on the field then, and he still is. Think about that for a second. Think of some of the Fighting Irish pros on the defensive side of the ball. Hamilton outshined them all.

And with match-coverage concepts taking over, safety will no longer be some throw-away position in the draft or free agency.

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