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3 minutes ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

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Is that how many hours to the NFL draft?

 

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3 minutes ago, Green_Guinness said:

Is that how many hours to the NFL draft?

 

Not gonna lie. My mind goes to the draft the minute our season ends…and even before, especially with 5 top 100 picks. 

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The zip on the ball is for real, but he is making too many risky throws, the kind that haunt you in the NFL.

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9 minutes ago, Green_Guinness said:

We'll find out at the Combine about Pickett's hands.  Otherwise he'd probably be the #1 QB in this class and still might be even if his hands measure small.  I expect him to go in the top 10.

I'm not that concerned with Strong being immobile.  As long as he has pocket presence and can make those minor adjustments within the pocket to buy time then that's enough, especially with his arm.  I think too many are enamoured with the dual threat QB, but as had been pointed out that they aren't really successful in the playoffs.  I'd rather have a QB who is good at pre-snaps reads, can see most of the field, can process quick and know where to go with the ball, can go through at least a few progressions, and has that subtle ability to move within the pocket and still make throws.  Give me that guy all day over the dual threat QB.

Totally not a fan of Willis nor of Ridder, though the latter IMO has better upside.  Think both require too much time to develop into quality NFL QBs and need a team like Seattle (if they keep Wilson) to draft them and have them sit a few seasons like Rogers did behind Favre.  I could be wrong, but that's my opinion.

 

He set the protections on almost every play this season, so being in charge of 10 other guys at least let’s you know his hand wasn’t being held by a college coach who wished he was good enough to be a quality NFL QB.  Lincoln Riley, check, Kingsbury, check, Kiffin, check.  Mahomes has been a good QB because Reid benched him for most of rookie season to coach up the good, and coach out the bad.     This supposed great QB class of Lawrence, Wilson, and Fields were all out done in their rookie season by Davis Mills, and Tim Couch, for those old enough to remember which proves colleges aren’t preparing these guys in their BS offensive systems.  Every single high draft pick should of sat on the bench this season. 
  
Sorry for the rant, back to Strong it’s not that he’s completely immobile,  I watched way too many Nevada games this season, and he had at least 4 in a row that his knee was pouring blood. His high school knee surgery ( 4-6) nails put in his knee from a degenerative lesion of some sort, almost ruined his chances to play QB at a Division 1 school.  I also saw a report that last January he had a bone graft done on the same knee that should of kept him out 10 months, but he was back in August.  Also he’s had at least one arthroscopic clean out surgery on that same knee at some point during his time at Nevada.   He was apparently a pretty good HS basketball player which leads me to believe he isn’t Tom Brady, but that knee is a serious concern going forward though. 
His arm strength is comparable to Herberts.
 
 Corral, Willis, and Howell all come in around 6ft tall, Howell became a runner this season out of necessity, he’s much farther ahead of Tribusky coming out.  Willis and Corral are runners, and come from bad offenses.  They’re gonna need some serious coaching to be NFL QB’s, but 2 things I give Corral credit for, he’s got a good arm for a little dude, and he beat up Gretzky’s kid in HS, forcing him to transfer as he was the poor kid.  It’s not Scott Stevens kid, or Joe Carters, but it counts nonetheless. 

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Any word on Tanner McKee? Haven't heard if he is returning or declaring.

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11 minutes ago, The Blackfish said:

He set the protections on almost every play this season, so being in charge of 10 other guys at least let’s you know his hand wasn’t being held by a college coach who wished he was good enough to be a quality NFL QB.  Lincoln Riley, check, Kingsbury, check, Kiffin, check.  Mahomes has been a good QB because Reid benched him for most of rookie season to coach up the good, and coach out the bad.     This supposed great QB class of Lawrence, Wilson, and Fields were all out done in their rookie season by Davis Mills, and Tim Couch, for those old enough to remember which proves colleges aren’t preparing these guys in their BS offensive systems.  Every single high draft pick should of sat on the bench this season. 
  
Sorry for the rant, back to Strong it’s not that he’s completely immobile,  I watched way too many Nevada games this season, and he had at least 4 in a row that his knee was pouring blood. His high school knee surgery ( 4-6) nails put in his knee from a degenerative lesion of some sort, almost ruined his chances to play QB at a Division 1 school.  I also saw a report that last January he had a bone graft done on the same knee that should of kept him out 10 months, but he was back in August.  Also he’s had at least one arthroscopic clean out surgery on that same knee at some point during his time at Nevada.   He was apparently a pretty good HS basketball player which leads me to believe he isn’t Tom Brady, but that knee is a serious concern going forward though. 
His arm strength is comparable to Herberts.
 
 Corral, Willis, and Howell all come in around 6ft tall, Howell became a runner this season out of necessity, he’s much farther ahead of Tribusky coming out.  Willis and Corral are runners, and come from bad offenses.  They’re gonna need some serious coaching to be NFL QB’s, but 2 things I give Corral credit for, he’s got a good arm for a little dude, and he beat up Gretzky’s kid in HS, forcing him to transfer as he was the poor kid.  It’s not Scott Stevens kid, or Joe Carters, but it counts nonetheless. 

The more I hear about this knee, it’s either No drafted QB, Ridder in the 2nd or a Zappe flyer for me. 

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Man that's nuts. Don't know how they keep him.

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3 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

The more I hear about this knee, it’s either No drafted QB, Ridder in the 2nd or a Zappe flyer for me. 

 Jim Nagy the guy who runs the Senior Bowl, of course talked up how Strong back in December, went to the Rams Dr and was apparently given a clean bill of health on that knee.  After that examination, it was 2 full weeks before he decided to skip Nevadas bowl game and enter the draft.  Might just be me, that seemed odd.  
 He didn’t miss a game this season so he gets some credit for that, plus at the Senior Bowl he’s likely to pull a Wentz and really get his name out there because of his arm talent, but once teams get a look at his medicals, that could be his downfall in the draft.   

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5 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

 

Man that's nuts. Don't know how they keep him.

 Wasn’t he gonna be the OC for USC or Stanford after TT?  Then NFL teams like the Jets and Cardinals called him?  
 Everyone laughed at me a month ago when I said he should go for the Oklahoma job, I bet he wishes now he did. 

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3 minutes ago, The Blackfish said:

 Jim Nagy the guy who runs the Senior Bowl, of course talked up how Strong back in December, went to the Rams Dr and was apparently given a clean bill of health on that knee.  After that examination, it was 2 full weeks before he decided to skip Nevadas bowl game and enter the draft.  Might just be me, that seemed odd.  
 He didn’t miss a game this season so he gets some credit for that, plus at the Senior Bowl he’s likely to pull a Wentz and really get his name out there because of his arm talent, but once teams get a look at his medicals, that could be his downfall in the draft.   

Just too many red flags for me. I also want a guy who can take off here and there. Doesn’t need to be Lamar or Jalen, just somebody who has the ability to tuck it if need be. Preferably over 6’ tall which knocks out Pickett, Corral, Howell and Willis. Which leaves me just where I said earlier…no QB, Ridder in R2, or a flyer on Zappe. 

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7 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

Just too many red flags for me. I also want a guy who can take off here and there. Doesn’t need to be Lamar or Jalen, just somebody who has the ability to tuck it if need be. Preferably over 6’ tall which knocks out Pickett, Corral, Howell and Willis. Which leaves me just where I said earlier…no QB, Ridder in R2, or a flyer on Zappe. 

Pickett is 6’3 and 220, it’s just that he’ll be gone before pick #15 and I wouldn’t be in favor of the Eagles trading up for him — there will be another Kenny Pickett available in the 2023 draft.

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40 minutes ago, The Blackfish said:

He set the protections on almost every play this season, so being in charge of 10 other guys at least let’s you know his hand wasn’t being held by a college coach who wished he was good enough to be a quality NFL QB.  Lincoln Riley, check, Kingsbury, check, Kiffin, check.  Mahomes has been a good QB because Reid benched him for most of rookie season to coach up the good, and coach out the bad.     This supposed great QB class of Lawrence, Wilson, and Fields were all out done in their rookie season by Davis Mills, and Tim Couch, for those old enough to remember which proves colleges aren’t preparing these guys in their BS offensive systems.  Every single high draft pick should of sat on the bench this season. 
  
Sorry for the rant, back to Strong it’s not that he’s completely immobile,  I watched way too many Nevada games this season, and he had at least 4 in a row that his knee was pouring blood. His high school knee surgery ( 4-6) nails put in his knee from a degenerative lesion of some sort, almost ruined his chances to play QB at a Division 1 school.  I also saw a report that last January he had a bone graft done on the same knee that should of kept him out 10 months, but he was back in August.  Also he’s had at least one arthroscopic clean out surgery on that same knee at some point during his time at Nevada.   He was apparently a pretty good HS basketball player which leads me to believe he isn’t Tom Brady, but that knee is a serious concern going forward though. 
His arm strength is comparable to Herberts.
 
 Corral, Willis, and Howell all come in around 6ft tall, Howell became a runner this season out of necessity, he’s much farther ahead of Tribusky coming out.  Willis and Corral are runners, and come from bad offenses.  They’re gonna need some serious coaching to be NFL QB’s, but 2 things I give Corral credit for, he’s got a good arm for a little dude, and he beat up Gretzky’s kid in HS, forcing him to transfer as he was the poor kid.  It’s not Scott Stevens kid, or Joe Carters, but it counts nonetheless. 

Thank you for the input.  Damn, I knew Strong had a knee issue stemming from HS and even that he got it scoped recently, but no idea it was that severe with blood pouring from it during games.  Such a shame and I hope he can get that sorted out to be able to have an NFL career as he has all the tools otherwise.  I agree on giving college QBs at least a season being on the bench in the NFL and learning, being coached up on the good and coached out of their bad tendencies as you put it.  It's the type of long term investment most NFL teams don't make and throw their rookie QBs in the deep end of a swift current river with a lack of OL and skill weapons.  How many times have we seen early round picks fail because of this?  We have to look at 2022 as an expendable season where we build up the roster and give a QB time to learn, if we draft one.  Just because we made the playoffs this seasons doesn't mean we're ready to compete for SBs as we're far from it.  Reload, rebuild, and know that it's going to take 2-3 seasons before we're truly ready to compete.

 

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Seeing a lot of QB's absolutely suck when it actually matters (Wentz, Murray, Dak, Jones ) I actually don't feel that bad about hurts.

Equally i don't see him as the answer, but very few teams do have the answer at the moment. 

But look at the teams with the elite QBs (mahomes, Rogers, Brady) - they will be the team that wins the SB

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43 minutes ago, rrfierce said:

Equally i don't see him as the answer, but very few teams do have the answer at the moment. 

One of the big issues the Eagles are going to have is that there are apparently a lot of teams this off season who need a QB.

I mean I can think of a few without much thought... Denver, Lions, Giants, WFT, potentially Seattle, Pittsburgh, Vegas?, Texans, Miami could, Green Bay could if Rodgers does leave, Atlanta, Carolina, Cleveland may, Minnesota may, New Orleans need to.

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9 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

One of the big issues the Eagles are going to have is that there are apparently a lot of teams this off season who need a QB.

I mean I can think of a few without much thought... Denver, Lions, Giants, WFT, potentially Seattle, Pittsburgh, Vegas?, Texans, Miami could, Green Bay could if Rodgers does leave, Atlanta, Carolina, Cleveland may, Minnesota may, New Orleans need to.

Thankfully, we have more ammo than any of those teams, and enough cap space to absorb a large hit. You can argue about the Giants, but they are in negative cap space and expected to give Jones one more shot.

If we don't land a QB, it won't be because we were outbid.

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1 minute ago, D-Shiznit said:

Thankfully, we have more ammo than any of those teams, and enough cap space to absorb a large hit. You can argue about the Giants, but they are in negative cap space and expected to give Jones one more shot.

If we don't land a QB, it won't be because we were outbid.

But do we really want to blow all the draft capital on someone like Wilson who’s not THAT good 

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3 minutes ago, rrfierce said:

But do we really want to blow all the draft capital on someone like Wilson who’s not THAT good 

This has been debated to death. Some believe yes, some believe no.

Either way it doesn't matter because Lowie will do what they want.

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6 hours ago, ManuManu said:

Eww. 

What?!   3 firsts and still more?   Heck no!

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5 hours ago, Alphagrand said:

Pickett is 6’3 and 220, it’s just that he’ll be gone before pick #15 and I wouldn’t be in favor of the Eagles trading up for him — there will be another Kenny Pickett available in the 2023 draft.

I'd be in favor of throwing Hurts in with a first to move up for Pickett...essentially a 1 and 3.  I wouldn't do more than that.  Hurts is an expendable asset once the decision is made to get a QB anyway.

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6 hours ago, D-Shiznit said:

This made me laugh. :P

Booger is a straight moron.  He picked Arizona in that game, because of a Murray and he didn’t believe in Staffford.  

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6 hours ago, DawkinsOwnage03 said:

Don’t want Wilson at all, he won’t want to come here anyway. I’m not giving 3 1’s for a 34 year old diva and we don’t even have the wr talent that he is currently used to.

I've been saying this for some time.  Wilson has had far better talent at WR the last few years than the Eagles and what has he done?  Wilson is a thorn in the Eagles sides and seems to have their number but I also think he's highly overrated.  No question he's good and would be a tremendous upgrade over what we have here but he is NOT worth 3 first round picks.  I don't care if Howie sucks at using those 1st round picks, he still isn't worth it. 

 

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Smith said they were in the wrong formation and Reagor was in the correct spot,  and they were discussing it on the sideline. 

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