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3 hours ago, downundermike said:

Jason actually says at the beginning " he is not sure how the NFL treats that "

Everything I have read from multiple sites show that a salary converted to a signing bonus can not be optional.  Think about it, if you could do that, it would be such a transparent work around to cheat the cap.  

For example, Saints in cap hell, they have Cam Jordan with base salaries of 13.6 and 13.9 million the next two years.  So just restructure, converting all but 1 million to an " option bonus " and then cut him before the bonus kicks in.

Please tell me you see how ludicrous that sounds.

Nah.  If its base salary that converts to whatever kind of bonus... what matters is if the money was given to him or not.   If its an 'option bonus', then he'd have to not have received that money and would receive the bonus when the option is picked up.  Then it would count.   

 

I'll use a hypothetical situation to further the conversation: 
Let's say PLAYER X has a current deal like this: 

2022 base salary = $15M, $8M pro-rated signing bonus.
2023 void year, $7M pro-rated signing bonus. 
2024 void year, $5M pro-rated signing bonus. 

 

As it stands now, he'd count $23M against the cap in 2022, and $12M against in 2023 ($7M & $5M would both hit in 2023).  

 

But, instead, they renegotiate $14M into an 'option bonus' (payable in August)... $7M for 2023 and $7M for 2024... and add a base salary of $2M (guaranteed) for 2023 and $1M (guaranteed) for 2024.

Now the deal looks like this: 
2022 base salary = $1M, $8M pro-rated signing bonus.   Cap cost = $9M.
2023 base salary = $2M, $7M pro-rated signing bonus, $7M option bonus.    Cap cost = $16M on the roster, but $9M if cut/traded post-June 1 (but before August option is due), $15M if cut/traded pre-June 1.
2024 base salary = $1M, $5M pro-rated signing bonus, $7M option bonus.    Cap cost = $13M on the roster, but $6M if cut pre-June 1.  $1M for post-June 1 cut/trade (but pre-option bonus date), with $5M pushed to 2025.  

 

At least, that's how I interpret it... it comes down to when the cash would be paid.  As a signing bonus... he'd get it at the time of the restructure and the team would be on the hook for it... eventually.   If its an 'option' bonus, then I suppose he wouldn't get it until whatever date they agreed to... and so the team wouldn't be on the hook if he's gone before that option date hits.

Good on Howie if he can convince these guys to take less money.  I am skeptical, but I suppose he could.  

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1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

That’s where he’s from.  

He grew up in Philly. We went to the same grade school. He went to St Joe's Prep then Delaware.

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Just now, Utebird said:

Again the data and studies as recent as 2021 show that increased penalties punishment don't decrease violent crime.

Sounds like you're solution is to just execute everyone that commits a crime and voila no more crime?

 

I dont know what you dont get.  

End of the day, harsher penalties will work, you just gotta be willing to make them harsh enough and make the conditions harsh enough. 

I promise you, if I had my way, my rules, in 10 years we'd have the safest, nicest, cleanest country to live in

 

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3 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

Back to football...

What do you think the best way to address #2 WR?

Draft choice (if so, how high of a pick), free agency (if so, what tier), or creating a national marijuana law?

Drake London - Pac-12 for life babyyyyyyyyyy!!!

In all seriousness, London is an awesome prospect, a lot of Mike Evans in him.

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5 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Take it to CVON!

I like Chark as our best option in FA, otherwise, draft a guy, wherever opportunity presents itself. I'd prefer not in the first, but Williams could change that. 

I like baby Chark

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1 hour ago, greend said:

Yes, if you're a mobster a good guy would mean something totally different. 

good fella.  ;)

 

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6 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

Back to football...

What do you think the best way to address #2 WR?

Draft choice (if so, how high of a pick), free agency (if so, what tier), or creating a national marijuana law?

Decriminalizing public pooping

 

Or veteran in free agency. Same thing.

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2 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

ahh, I'm with you to a point. The bolded is where I would like to see it, but not just spend more money or invest in this area, we need to actually offer quality education, which isn't happening in some city schools. Thats why I support School choice. Most children in poor areas, are forced to go to schools that historically perfrom among the worst, almost cement their future, and keeping them locked in a self perpetuating cycle.  Furthermore, more children are being brought up in single parent households now than at any point in recent history. There's a lack of quality parenting and quality role models. Not to mention what Social media is doing to chidlren. 

In the end, you cant just switch off incarcerating ciminals and expect it to get better (which is all we are doing now with justice reforms). We have to work from the education on up and allow the incarcerations to drop organically as less crimes are getting committed. 

School choice sounds great in theory yet how plausible is it that a kid in the ghetto from a single parent home who works two jobs is going to have the means to send their kid to a better funded school in a more affluent district or area?

 

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1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

good fella.  ;)

 

This isn't what I meant. A good guy would wack someone he's told to and never rat anyone out. 

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21 minutes ago, Utebird said:

I'd counter that I don't believe the current system of capitalism works, in actual reality. we didn't get to where we are as a country under socialism,   where we are is  more to dothe late stages of unregulated  capitalism than the imagined fears of unpracticed socialism.

So other than going down the current path that has led us to where we are now under the current way if doing things what's is your alternate other than not socialism?

I haven't brought up socialism or said I think socialism solves all societal ills.

Talking on a message board To a bunch of middle aged conservative men about the perils of late stage capitalism and some of the benefits of social progressive policy isn't something I'm keen on doing, from past experience it's like taking to a brick wall that throws bricks.😳

Then we will agree to disagree. For all it's Capitalistic ills, (and there are some, as no system is a perfect system, it doesn't exist, which is my point entirely) The US is where poeple who leave socialistic countries come to live. The truth/ proof are in those results. For all the promises of Socialism, I never see it the other way around.

I am more of a realist. Life is special, to be regarded, revered. But Life is not fair, never been fair, never will be fair, and you cannot regulate/legislate life to be fair. You cannot make everyone as equally smart, goodlooking, sexy, athletic, or as wealthy etc... as everyone else.  The best we can do, is offer as close to equal opportunities as possible (and we have a lot of room to work there) But we cannot gaurantee equity of outcomes. So there will always be a have/ have nots relatively speaking.  I also believe that a utopian socitey is never a feasible reality. Because there are always people who are or will be unreasonable, unstable, selfish, evil, agressive, and corrupt. There will always be someone willing to kill someone else unprovoked.  

 

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Just now, Bacarty2 said:

again, it's not working.

We've had close to 100,000 murders in the last 3 years and less than 2 dozen were executed. hmmmm 

50% of criminals are gonna end up back in jail... hmmmm

It has nothing to do with "revenge" This country is soft. 

Here are countries with the 10 lowest murder rates in the world:

  1. Japan (0.2)
  2. Singapore (0.2)
  3. Hong Kong (China) (0.3)
  4. Luxembourg (0.3)
  5. Indonesia (0.4)
  6. Norway (0.5)
  7. Oman (0.5)
  8. Switzerland (0.5)
  9. United Arab Emirates (0.5)
  10. China (0.6) 

Of those countries, UAE, China, Indonesia and Oman have the death penalty.  Indonesia hasn't executed anyone for murder since 2019.  All of those countries have far more restrictive gun laws than the US.  Maybe we should just regulate who gets guns in the US.  

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5 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

Back to football...

What do you think the best way to address #2 WR?

Draft choice (if so, how high of a pick), free agency (if so, what tier), or creating a national marijuana law?

Few thoughts:

 

I am not sold on D Smith as a #1 to begin with.  So I would aim high.  More in the lines we need a 1A to go along with our 1B or really good 2.  

I would try and go after Gallup or Chark in free agency.  If not, Williams in the 1st or Pickens in the 2nd would be my preference.   

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4 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

I dont know what you dont get.  

End of the day, harsher penalties will work, you just gotta be willing to make them harsh enough and make the conditions harsh enough. 

I promise you, if I had my way, my rules, in 10 years we'd have the safest, nicest, cleanest country to live in

 

You can claim that but there is zero data to support that assertion.

I'd hope that when those making the rules do so that they take Into account the current information and do their due diligence instead if just making rules because they think it's the right way.

Hitler promised the same things, that didnt work out so well ...

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6 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Take it to CVON!

I like Chark as our best option in FA, otherwise, draft a guy, wherever opportunity presents itself. I'd prefer not in the first, but Williams could change that. 

You want to add a WR to a team that doesnt throw the ball and a team that has a QB who cant throw but your worried about wear people post certain things 

O, not to mention all the draft capitol this team has in the WR room

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3 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Lol I believe he was talking about Rich Gannon

Yeah, well we all knew he was from Philly.  LOL

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10 minutes ago, Utebird said:

School choice sounds great in theory yet how plausible is it that a kid in the ghetto from a single parent home who works two jobs is going to have the means to send their kid to a better funded school in a more affluent district or area?

 

Thats exactly the point. School choice is where the money to school that child follows the child. So the family income level and where they live does not determine the childs school, which ultimately is a driving factor in their future success. It doesn;t cost the family anything extra

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2 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

 

Here are countries with the 10 lowest murder rates in the world:

  1. Japan (0.2)
  2. Singapore (0.2)
  3. Hong Kong (China) (0.3)
  4. Luxembourg (0.3)
  5. Indonesia (0.4)
  6. Norway (0.5)
  7. Oman (0.5)
  8. Switzerland (0.5)
  9. United Arab Emirates (0.5)
  10. China (0.6) 

Of those countries, UAE, China, Indonesia and Oman have the death penalty.  Indonesia hasn't executed anyone for murder since 2019.  All of those countries have far more restrictive gun laws than the US.  Maybe we should just regulate who gets guns in the US.  

Japan, one of the hardest countries to immigrate into BTW.

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1 minute ago, Utebird said:

You can claim that but there is zero data to support that assertion.

I'd hope that when those making the rules do so that they take Into account the current information and do their due diligence instead if just making rules because they think it's the right way.

Hitler promised the same things, that didnt work out so well ...

You dont need Data to teach you common sense. 

Youre comparing "my plan" to punish scumbags to a guy who just wanted to kill rando's?

At the end of the day, we have a ton of repeat offenders. And if you know ANYTHING about life, repeat means they didnt learn their lesson. 

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1 minute ago, Ipiggles said:

Then we will agree to disagree. For all it's Capitalistic ills, (and there are some, as no system is a perfect system, it doesn't exist, which is my point entirely) The US is where poeple who leave socialistic countries come to live. The truth/ proof are in those results. For all the promises of Socialism, I never see it the other way around.

I am more of a realist. Life is special, to be regarded, revered. But Life is not fair, never been fair, never will be fair, and you cannot regulate/legislate life to be fair. You cannot make everyone as equally smart, goodlooking, sexy, athletic, or as wealthy etc... as everyone else.  The best we can do, is offer as close to equal opportunities as possible (and we have a lot of room to work there) But we cannot gaurantee equity of outcomes. So there will always be a have/ have nots relatively speaking.  I also believe that a utopian socitey is never a feasible reality. Because there are always people who are or will be unreasonable, unstable, selfish, evil, agressive, and corrupt. There will always be someone willing to kill someone else unprovoked.  

 

Really how many people are fleeing socialist scandanavian countries to come to the US???

Now ask yourself how difficult is it to get into those countries as an immigrant?

Now if those people from socialist countries that do come to the US I assume you are talking about Venezuela and other like countries ask yourself how money if those countries did the US destabalize with military conflicts and coups and insert their own heads of government?

People from thriving countries with strong social safety nets aren't feeling their countries.

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3 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

Thats exactly the point. Schoiol choice is where the money to school that child follows the child. So the family income level and where they live does not determine the childs school, which ultimately is a driving factor in their future success. It doesn;t cost the family anything extra

If one child is granted that what happens to the rest of the kids in that crappy school???

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13 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

Back to football...

What do you think the best way to address #2 WR?

Draft choice (if so, how high of a pick), free agency (if so, what tier), or creating a national marijuana law?

Draft a good one in the middle rounds -- there's depth at WR almost every draft now -- and save some money over going the FA route:

Justyn Ross, Erik Ezukanma, David Bell, Alec Pierce are all 6'2 and above and would all complement DeVonta Smith and Watkins.

 

Full disclosure -- I didn't like Cooper Kupp as a prospect so it's possible I don't know a WR from a hole in the ground.

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3 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

You dont need Data to teach you common sense. 

Youre comparing "my plan" to punish scumbags to a guy who just wanted to kill rando's?

At the end of the day, we have a ton of repeat offenders. And if you know ANYTHING about life, repeat means they didnt learn their lesson. 

Your common sense and my common sense are obviously different.

I think Hitler was a little more than a guy who just wanted to kill Rando's but that's beside the point.

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