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27 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Couldnt agree more. Why would the world conspire against a bunch of immature people. 

Sincerely,

Kris Kringle. 

If anyone was waiting on confirmation of whether this guy is retarded or not, we got it!

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3 hours ago, Ipiggles said:

Politicians never let a good crisis go to waste in order to push their own political agenda.

Pandemic, School Shooting etc....

They dont plan the events, they wait for something to happen, and they pounce!

Like blaming high fuel prices and inflation on one single president?

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3 minutes ago, MidMoFo said:

Like blaming high fuel prices and inflation on one single president?

When you are in charge, you are the one who has to deal with it. If you cant handle it, and or make it worse, you own it at that point. 

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7 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

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When you are in charge, you are the one who has to deal with it. If you cant handle it, and or make it worse, you own it at that point. 

Again ... The US was a net exporter of oil in 2021 and continues to be in 2022.

And Trump was handed a country heading towards energy independence. He did very little to change the trajectory - no matter who was president we would have been a net exporter around the same time.

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14 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

Again ... The US was a net exporter of oil in 2021 and continues to be in 2022.

And Trump was handed a country heading towards energy independence. He did very little to change the trajectory - no matter who was president we would have been a net exporter around the same time.

Where you are correct- we were heading in that direction  before Trump got into office

 

where you are wrong: Biden has been very vocal about being against domestic Fossil Fuels,a nd he wasted no time getting down to business and he and the Dems continue to try and make it harder.   First week in office, Biden reversed all the deregulations that Trump had put in place, making it more expensive and harder to produce and refine DOMESTIC OIL. 

Reversed more than 100 Trump deregs in this area. 

January 20 Environment Yes Cancels the Keystone XL pipeline and directs agencies to review and reverse more than 100 Trump actions on the environment

 

 On his first day, Biden "set a new course for the future,” said Bridget Dooling, research professor with the GW Regulatory Studies Center at George Washington University. "By taking these steps on his first day in office, it signals how important it is to get the regulatory machine operating in sync with the president’s vision.”

Actions speak louder than words, and Biden’s agenda of ending the fossil fuel era is considered hostile by most U.S. oil and gas producers, who also saw Biden’s request of members of the OPEC cartel as a slap in the face. 

*January 20, 2021: One of Biden’s first actions was to revoke approval for the Keystone XL pipeline and impose a moratorium on oil and gas leasing on federal lands and waters. Roughly 25% of U.S. production comes from federal areas. The Keystone XL cancellation confirmed to many policy-watchers Biden’s willingness to use one of climate activists’ favorite tactics – blocking "midstream" pipelines – to restrict "upstream" production. The moves were part of Biden’s broader climate agenda and target to reduce U.S. greenhouse gas emissions by 50% by 2030 and achieve net-zero emissions by 2050.

* February 26, 2021: Biden updates the "social cost of greenhouse gas emissions," dramatically altering the way the U.S. government calculates the real-world costs of climate change. The move could reshape a range of consequences, from whether to allow new fossil fuel leasing on federal lands and waters to what sort of steel is used in taxpayer-funded infrastructure projects. The administration plans to boost the figure it will use to assess greenhouse gas pollution's damage inflicts on society to $51 per ton of carbon dioxide – a rate more than seven times higher than that used by former president Donald Trump. But experts say it could reach as high as $125 per ton once the administration conducts a more thorough analysis. This would apply to any new oil and gas lease sale, raising producers’ costs to deliver new supplies.

 

* June 1, 2021:  Biden proposed eliminating a slew of tax benefits for oil, gas and coal producers in favor of electric vehicles and other low-carbon energy alternatives as part of his $6 trillion budget for the next fiscal year. It proposed repealing: the pass-through exemption from corporate income tax for partnerships that derive at least 90% of gross income from natural resources; use of percentage depletion for oil and gas wells; expensing of intangible drilling costs; capital gains treatment for royalties; enhanced oil recovery credit; $3.90 per barrel credit for marginal oil wells; expensing of exploration and development costs, and other tax incentives. Eliminating these tax provisions imperils U.S. energy security by raising costs for domestic producers and would increase America’s reliance on foreign energy supplies.

 

* August 11, 2021: Biden calls on OPEC+ producers to increase supply to help curb rising oil prices, even though the U.S. is one of the three largest producers in the world and can deliver supply with a lower carbon footprint than most unregulated national oil companies in the cartel. He would do this several times in the months that followed, including after Russia’s February 24, 2022 invasion of Ukraine.

 

* March 12, 2022: Congressional Democrats propose to tax top U.S. oil producers and importers and direct the collected money to Americans, an effort they said will curb profiteering in an era of high gasoline prices. The "windfall profit" legislation would put a 50% tax, charged for a barrel, on the price difference between the current cost of a barrel of oil and the average cost for a barrel between 2015 and 2019. Lawmakers contend it would raise an estimated $45 billion a year at $120 a barrel of oil. The measure proposed by Biden’s Democratic party completely ignores the reality that oil prices are set in a global commodity marketplace, not by individual companies.

 

 

 

     

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uh, we were still a net exporter of oil in 2021. and we continue to be a net exporter in 2022.

because despite all of the above, the president is not a king, and cannot appreciably increase or decrease the production of oil in the short term. there is no "drill baby drill" button in the White House.

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Remember when the Trumpbots were so happy this guy proved he could drink water?

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9 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

uh, we were still a net exporter of oil in 2021. and we continue to be a net exporter in 2022.

because despite all of the above, the president is not a king, and cannot appreciably increase or decrease the production of oil in the short term. there is no "drill baby drill" button in the White House.

It's not a matter of Drill baby drill, it's more about refining at this point for domestic OIl - But longterm outlooks also include new leases, and more capacity. 

To quote Vikas "It is completely uneconomical to build a new refining plant given all the regulations, and building one takes YEARS even if they wanted to."

As a result of several U.S. refinery closures in 2020, U.S. operable atmospheric crude oil distillation capacity, the primary measure of refinery capacity in the United States, dropped 4.5% to a total of 18.1 million barrels per calendar day (b/cd) at the start of 2021. The end-of-year 2020 total is 0.8 million b/cd less than the 19.0 million b/cd of refining capacity at the start of 2020. According to the data in our annual Refinery Capacity Report, the beginning of 2021 marks the lowest annual capacity figure to start the year since 2015. Based on information reported to us in our recent update, U.S. refining capacity will not expand significantly during 2021.

We removed the following refineries from total U.S. operable capacity after they closed:

  • The Philadelphia Energy Solutions refinery in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania: 335,000 b/cd
  • The Shell refinery in Convent, Louisiana: 211,146 b/cd
  • The Tesoro (Marathon) refinery in Martinez, California: 161,000 b/cd
  • The HollyFrontier refinery in Cheyenne, Wyoming: 48,000 b/cd
  • The Western Refining refinery in Gallup, New Mexico: 27,000 b/cd
  • The Dakota Prairie refinery in Dickinson, North Dakota: 19,000 b/cd

And current climate policies are pushing OIl companies to move towards BIO fuels

Plus "there are quite a few refineries that are being repurposed,” Smith said — now focusing their operations on biofuels. That has put even more pressure on capacity, according to Bob McNally, president of Rapidan Energy Group.

 

From An Oil Exec - Talking about Policies and regulations in general- responding to Biden's plea for help-

The solution to the ongoing crisis, Wirth explained, "requires thoughtful action and a willingness to work together, not political rhetoric.” Wirth, therefore, suggested that bringing down gas prices and increasing oil supply "will require a change in approach” from Biden.

"The U.S. energy sector needs cooperation and support from your Administration for our country to return to a path toward greater energy security, economic prosperity, and environmental protection,” Wirth wrote. "We need clarity and consistency on policy matters ranging from leases and permits on federal lands, to the ability to permit and build critical infrastructure, to the proper role of regulation that considers both costs and benefits.”

 

 

Also, It is not just supply and demand that helps to drive the price globally- 

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Again, where was the change in policy under Trump that you're imagining that resulted in relaxed regulations and new refineries? 

There hasn't been a large volume oil refinery built in the US since the 70s. This is not some problem of Biden's creation no matter how many times you try to pin it on him. 

It's not just Federal regulations either. State regulations and nimbyism are a huge part of the problem. 

The only way we've expanded refinery capacity in any significant way since 1977 is through expansion of existing refineries, because the red tape is less.

My argument isn't that there isn't an issue of needing more refinery capacity. This nation wants more gasoline refining, but between regulations and local opposition the cost to build them is simply prohibitive. 

My argument is that these are not anything close to new issues that Biden has foisted on the nation, no matter how many times you stupidly try to argue it. We had 12 years of Reagan-Bush, and another 8 with Dubya, then four with Trump. And during none of those periods was there any serious progress made in building any new high capacity oil refinery plants.

Trump would not have been able to change 45 years of intractability there. 

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1 hour ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

Again, where was the change in policy under Trump that you're imagining that resulted in relaxed regulations and new refineries? 

There hasn't been a large volume oil refinery built in the US since the 70s. This is not some problem of Biden's creation no matter how many times you try to pin it on him. 

It's not just Federal regulations either. State regulations and nimbyism are a huge part of the problem. 

The only way we've expanded refinery capacity in any significant way since 1977 is through expansion of existing refineries, because the red tape is less.

My argument isn't that there isn't an issue of needing more refinery capacity. This nation wants more gasoline refining, but between regulations and local opposition the cost to build them is simply prohibitive. 

My argument is that these are not anything close to new issues that Biden has foisted on the nation, no matter how many times you stupidly try to argue it. We had 12 years of Reagan-Bush, and another 8 with Dubya, then four with Trump. And during none of those periods was there any serious progress made in building any new high capacity oil refinery plants.

Trump would not have been able to change 45 years of intractability there. 

So you were unaware of all the changes Trump put in place to deregulate the industry? Below are just a few quick articles dealing with some of that, though not all of his deregulations were aimed at promoting domestic Fossil Fuel production, some were directly aimed at that industry- And biden reversed them all in his first week in office, because of his Climate Freindly Agenda to push towards Renewable energies. He told you he was going to do it while campaigning. He even stated sure it will cost us more..... 

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/climate/trump-environment-rollbacks-list.html?mtrref=duckduckgo.com&gwh=4598B29E7C50CE7E212E1EE21B6B5AA4&gwt=regi&assetType=REGIWALL

https://www.hoover.org/research/trumps-deregulatory-successes

https://www.cato.org/regulation/summer-2020/deregulation-under-trump

https://reason.com/volokh/2020/11/02/the-trump-administrations-real-deregulatory-record/

https://cei.org/blog/so-what-regulations-did-trump-eliminate/

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/climate/trump-environment-rollbacks.html?mtrref=duckduckgo.com&gwh=85DE90919FCF465CCAFBBC2F0FFC01D3&gwt=regi&assetType=REGIWALL

 

 

Biden and the libs have been pushing a climate freindly agenda, which has hoisted much regulation and expense on the Domestic Fossil Fuel industry, hampering their ability to expand, invest, grow, and produce. 

They (Biden and the Dems) campaign on it, enact policies on it, Biden takes action in his first week doing so, but according to you, all of that has zero affect on the ability to produce Domestic Fossil Fuels.

 

 

I think we are done here.  

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28 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

I think we are done here.  

Because you refuse to accept reality. Nothing Trump did accelerated the construction of new oil refineries, and nothing Biden has done has decelerated it.

Despite Trump's regulatory changes, nowhere near the necessary level of impediments were removed to invite new construction of refineries.

Because presidents aren't kings. 

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14 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

Because you refuse to accept reality. Nothing Trump did accelerated the construction of new oil refineries, and nothing Biden has done has decelerated it.

Despite Trump's regulatory changes, nowhere near the necessary level of impediments were removed to invite new construction of refineries.

Because presidents aren't kings

This is where they lose you. Because the @Ipiggles and @Procus 's of the world wish they had a king. And God sent us just one man for the job, according to their programming, and that man was Trump. No one else is fit to be the King they desire.

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It's funny how a mentally challenged person presumes to know what other people are thinking

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