2 minutes ago, devpool said:

You're missing a crucial position: QB. Hurts has been significantly worse than last year. Not to say he's been downright terrible in any sense, hw hasn't, but his decision making and pocket presence are not even close to last year. He's making multiple terrible decisions a game, some of them turn into turnovers and most don't. 

He's also the reason goedert is having a terrible year, hurts isn't seeing him at all outside of one game.

That said, it's just another piece of the crap puzzle you laid out already. Hurts isn't close to being the reason this team is bad. Today he cost them the game in the end, but overall there are much much bigger problems. 

I don't mean to put this all on Hurts, but he represents the biggest roster difference from last year.  He got his money.  That contract is the reason we had to accept downgrades from Epps, CJGJ, Edwards, White, and Seumalo.  We lost ALL of them and didn't add a single quality starter via FA signing...just barrel scrapings.  That's all the franchise QB contact effect.  

When you give the QB that money, you lose roster talent and are banking on the QB playing at a sufficiently dominant level to compensate.  

Last year, Hurts was playing at an elite franchise QB level for rookie money while the cap was invested in other talent.  This year, he's playing at a sub-elite level while the roster took the talent hit necessary to absorb his franchise contract.  

Again, I don't mean to single out Hurts, as Patrick Mahomes is the only QB in the entire NFL who has demonstrated he's good enough to win despite the roster-talent effects of a franchise-level contract.  But it's IMPOSSIBLE to measure up to the 2022 Eagles when the franchise QB has taken a step back AND there are the necessary roster concessions to accommodate his contract.

I’m not in sky is falling mode and as down as some people have been on the season despite them staring off 5-0. I said it before that I think this team last season really spoiled the fan base as far as how many blowouts they had. That was the exception, not the norm and it’s hard to just blow teams out every week. I think people just expect these games to be a walk in the park. 
 

My biggest concern is homefield because SF can sleep walk to 14 wins with their schedule. And the Eagles are sure to drop a couple more in this six game stretch coming up. 
 

But there is no juggernaut in the league this year. The Eagles have their flaws but so do other good teams. And more times than not this year when they take the field they will be the better roster and have the better talent. 

Had to work some hours today; caught quite a bit on the radio but only watched the last two Eagles drives.  Wow, Hurts was awful — and I mean every snap.  Such bad decision making is concerning.

Eagles didn’t have many clinkers last season that ended in losses.  This one did.  Very troubling from an injury standpoint; hopefully Lane and Jurgens can get back sooner than later.

The team was bad in all 3 phases today and deserved to lose 

19 minutes ago, devpool said:

You're missing a crucial position: QB. Hurts has been significantly worse than last year. Not to say he's been downright terrible in any sense, hw hasn't, but his decision making and pocket presence are not even close to last year. He's making multiple terrible decisions a game, some of them turn into turnovers and most don't. 

He's also the reason goedert is having a terrible year, hurts isn't seeing him at all outside of one game.

That said, it's just another piece of the crap puzzle you laid out already. Hurts isn't close to being the reason this team is bad. Today he cost them the game in the end, but overall there are much much bigger problems. 

Oh for sure he’s regressed from where he was last year.  he’s had flashes where he’s looks like he did last year. There’s been quarters where he’s looked really good. Also games where He is making bad decisions, not reading the field properly and not securing the ball. He’s on pace to have over 20 turnovers this year. That is not acceptable. This team a lot of talent so they can overcome some of those mistakes and still win football games. For perspective, Wentz was on pace for that type of turnover season in 2020. If Carson played all 16 games he was on pace for 25 turnovers. Currently hurts is on pace for 23 turnovers in 17 games. Not saying it’s all his fault on them either but there’s good amount that are. Can’t keep having multiple turnover games and expect to win especially with this schedule. 

Hurts was excellent in the first half today. Not good. Excellent. He was the reason we were up early.

We asked him to play superman all game and he broke in the 4th quarter. 

4 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I don't mean to put this all on Hurts, but he represents the biggest roster difference from last year.  He got his money.  That contract is the reason we had to accept downgrades from Epps, CJGJ, Edwards, White, and Seumalo.  We lost ALL of them and didn't add a single quality starter via FA signing...just barrel scrapings.  That's all the franchise QB contact effect.  

When you give the QB that money, you lose roster talent and are banking on the QB playing at a sufficiently dominant level to compensate.  

Last year, Hurts was playing at an elite franchise QB level for rookie money while the cap was invested in other talent.  This year, he's playing at a sub-elite level while the roster took the talent hit necessary to absorb his franchise contract.  

Again, I don't mean to single out Hurts, as Patrick Mahomes is the only QB in the entire NFL who has demonstrated he's good enough to win despite the roster-talent effects of a franchise-level contract.  But it's IMPOSSIBLE to measure up to the 2022 Eagles when the franchise QB has taken a step back AND there are the necessary roster concessions to accommodate his contract.

The one concern I do have with Hurts moving forward if he’s really going to be the guy they want him to be and the face of the franchise is I think he needs a lot of talent around him to be successful. Like you said, no one outside of Mahomes can do it on their own. Even he has Kelce. Burrow has Chase, Allen has Diggs, etc. But I think Hurts will always need supreme talent around him to get the best out of him. Not just a WR1 but an elite OL, a good WR2, and an efficient tight end. I don’t know how sustainable that will be moving forward. Especially on the OL when Kelce and Lane are eventually gone. 

Of the 1st and 2nd place teams in the NFC that played today they went 1-5 and the 1 was against each other.

Dallas probably gets spanked tomorrow to make it 1-6.

 

Doom and gloom! The NFC now owns us because the team dropped 5 passes!!!! 🤡

SF just lost to a practice squad QB but they will destroy the Eagles now? 🤣

1 minute ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

I’m not in sky is falling mode and as down as some people have been on the season despite them staring off 5-0. I said it before that I think this team last season really spoiled the fan base as far as how many blowouts they had. That was the exception, not the norm and it’s hard to just blow teams out every week. I think people just expect these games to be a walk in the park. 
 

My biggest concern is homefield because SF can sleep walk to 14 wins with their schedule. And the Eagles are sure to drop a couple more in this six game stretch coming up. 
 

But there is no juggernaut in the league this year. The Eagles have their flaws but so do other good teams. And more times than not this year when they take the field they will be the better roster and have the better talent. 

I'm not out on this team at all as SB contenders, but I am out on the #1 seed.  In some ways, in 2023, we have less margin for error for the #1 seed than we do to win the damn SB.  Even at 5-0, I didn't like our chances for the top seed given the radical difference between our schedule and SF.  It's not being negative...like you said...SF should sleep walk into a very high win total.  Meanwhile, we are running the gauntlet for the next 2 months.  

I think they needed to be 6-0 heading into Miami (and with that 1 game lead on SF) in order to have a realistic shot at #1.  They may win the SB, but I think they are about to play .500 football for the next month or two as they sort through their injuries, their inconsistencies, and their horrific schedule.  

The best route to the SB is the #1 seed with rest and the road going through your home stadium.  That was last year.  That was 2017.  Again, it doesn't mean they can't end up on top this year.  But unless they do one of those maneuvers across 4 lanes with no turning signal, that's not the route they are taking this year.  It's going to be about winning the division, getting healthy, peaking at the right time, and then winning 1-2 road games as slight underdogs in the playoffs.

3 minutes ago, RLC said:

Hurts was excellent in the first half today. Not good. Excellent. He was the reason we were up early.

We asked him to play superman all game and he broke in the 4th quarter. 

This is true.  But he still broke.  Can't just blame it on everyone else for asking him to play hero ball.  Didn't work out well when we went down that road with Wentz.

6 minutes ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

The one concern I do have with Hurts moving forward if he’s really going to be the guy they want him to be and the face of the franchise is I think he needs a lot of talent around him to be successful. Like you said, no one outside of Mahomes can do it on their own. Even he has Kelce. Burrow has Chase, Allen has Diggs, etc. But I think Hurts will always need supreme talent around him to get the best out of him. Not just a WR1 but an elite OL, a good WR2, and an efficient tight end. I don’t know how sustainable that will be moving forward. Especially on the OL when Kelce and Lane are eventually gone. 

This is compete and total BS.

His last 3 regular season losses.

vs NY in 2021. Raegor dropped like 6 balls including the game winner.

vs DC last year - The refs ignored a facemask on the Goedert fumble.

today - WRS dropped or quit on about 6 passes. The line tried to get him killed all day. He had to stiff arm a guy for 5 yards to complete a pass. he ran for his life all day and still should have won by 17+

 

He does not need anything special. He made the wildcard in 2021 with really bad players at the skill positions.

All he needs is to not have the worst RT in football and for his receivers to catch the ball.

Sam Bradford beat the Jets as an Eagle

SF lost to an average team with a bad QB & quality defense, exactly what happened to us. We’re not out on the 1 seed. But Detroit has thrown their name in the hat for NFC champs this year, that’s a team to watch out for 

1 minute ago, eagle45 said:

This is true.  But he still broke.  Can't just blame it on everyone else for asking him to play hero ball.  Didn't work out well when we went down that road with Wentz.

Exactly. It is true that if others didn't choke so badly Hurts wouldn't have been in that position but he was and he then choked himself. And I'm a big Hurts guy but his turnovers this year have been troubling.  His passing has been good but he's turning the ball over way too much

5 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

This is true.  But he still broke.  Can't just blame it on everyone else for asking him to play hero ball.  Didn't work out well when we went down that road with Wentz.

The turnovers are becoming a problem. He has 8 through 6 games this year. And you can say well they’re not all his fault like the Dallas Goedert interception. That’s fine I don’t disagree with that. However, he had another play in that game where sat in the pocket, finally scrambled  and threw it in the double coverage to DeVonta Smith. That probably should have been picked off. 

here’s the reality you can’t be turning it over multiple times in a game. They got away with it in some games the first five weeks. Can’t do it. You can’t be 27th in the red zone. You are not beating better teams by being 27th in the red zone and always settling for field goals. Jake Elliott hast to make that field goal today but reality if you score a touchdown that game is over. Been the issue most of the Fing year. 

1 minute ago, Dwide Schrude said:

SF lost to an average team with a bad QB & quality defense, exactly what happened to us. We’re not out on the 1 seed. But Detroit has thrown their name in the hat for NFC champs this year, that’s a team to watch out for 

SF doesn't have a gauntlet of a schedule like we do

5 minutes ago, SkippyX said:

This is compete and total BS.

His last 3 regular season losses.

vs NY in 2021. Raegor dropped like 6 balls including the game winner.

vs DC last year - The refs ignored a facemask on the Goedert fumble.

today - WRS dropped or quit on about 6 passes. The line tried to get him killed all day. He had to stiff arm a guy for 5 yards to complete a pass. he ran for his life all day and still should have won by 17+

 

He does not need anything special. He made the wildcard in 2021 with really bad players at the skill positions.

It’s really not BS. They were an average team who got curb stomped in the playoff game in 2021. The roster was elite last year and still very good this year. Lane went out of the game today and the offense plummeted. Agreed with the bad drops with DeVonta and Gainwell costing them. AJ made a circus catch on the sideline because he’s that good. 
 

I think 2021 is what you get if Hurts isn’t surrounded with elite talent in multiple position groups. Not bad, just average and not good enough to go deep. 

2 minutes ago, Dwide Schrude said:

SF lost to an average team with a bad QB & quality defense, exactly what happened to us. We’re not out on the 1 seed. But Detroit has thrown their name in the hat for NFC champs this year, that’s a team to watch out for 

If we right the ship by the end of the season I like our chances in the playoffs regardless of homefield.  We have a tough team who is battle tested.  If we're still turning the ball over like this we have no shot.  Lots of time either way

1 minute ago, Dwide Schrude said:

SF lost to an average team with a bad QB & quality defense, exactly what happened to us. We’re not out on the 1 seed. But Detroit has thrown their name in the hat for NFC champs this year, that’s a team to watch out for 

Detroit already won the toughest game on their schedule and they only have about 4 tough-ish games left. (mostly the road games)

They are probably going to win 13+ games and should be the favorite for the 1 seed.

The Eagles could kill them in Detroit in an NFCCG but Detroit does have the best route to the 1 seed IMO.

I still like the Eagles to win 13+ but you have to hope for Baltimore, New Orleans, Dallas, and the Chargers to beat them or they are going to win 14+

The NFC is that bad.

1 minute ago, SkippyX said:

Detroit already won the toughest game on their schedule and they only have about 4 tough-ish games left. (mostly the road games)

They are probably going to win 13+ games and should be the favorite for the 1 seed.

The Eagles could kill them in Detroit in an NFCCG but Detroit does have the best route to the 1 seed IMO.

I still like the Eagles to win 13+ but you have to hope for Baltimore, New Orleans, Dallas, and the Chargers to beat them or they are going to win 14+

The NFC is that bad.

The lions are a much better team at home then they are on the road. Now they’ve been good on the road so far this year. But their offense and Jared Goff when you look at the splits over the last two years are significantly better at home. I think the Eagles can go into Detroit and win but I think it’s so much tougher task because the Lions play that much better at home. 

1 minute ago, SkippyX said:

Detroit already won the toughest game on their schedule and they only have about 4 tough-ish games left. (mostly the road games)

They are probably going to win 13+ games and should be the favorite for the 1 seed.

The Eagles could kill them in Detroit in an NFCCG but Detroit does have the best route to the 1 seed IMO.

I still like the Eagles to win 13+ but you have to hope for Baltimore, New Orleans, Dallas, and the Chargers to beat them or they are going to win 14+

The NFC is that bad.

Most teams lay an egg during the season.  I'd be surprised if Detriot doesn't as well.  But I agree their schedule is definitely easier

5 minutes ago, SkippyX said:

This is compete and total BS.

His last 3 regular season losses.

vs NY in 2021. Raegor dropped like 6 balls including the game winner.

vs DC last year - The refs ignored a facemask on the Goedert fumble.

today - WRS dropped or quit on about 6 passes. The line tried to get him killed all day. He had to stiff arm a guy for 5 yards to complete a pass. he ran for his life all day and still should have won by 17+

 

He does not need anything special. He made the wildcard in 2021 with really bad players at the skill positions.

All he needs is to not have the worst RT in football and for his receivers to catch the ball.

The QB calculus has changed.  Brady, Brees, and Manning are retired.  Rodgers and Russ are toast.  Mahomes is all that's left.  Those guys don't need anything special.

Until proven otherwise, EVERYONE ELSE does.  That includes Hurts, Josh Allen, Burrow, Lawrence, Tua, etc.

Why is Brock Purdy on such a pedestal of success?  He's the best QB on a cheap deal surrounded by maxed out roster talent.  Last year, that was Jalen Hurts.

1 hour ago, Iggles25 said:

Wow, she's really not all that spectacular. Thought she was hotter than that. I've slept with women sexier than her after gigs not even trying to get laid. And all I had to do was make them breakfast and pay for their Uber afterwards 🤣

Look, the lost their first game of the season today mainly because of self inflicted.errors due ball security.  I think Hurts is fine but the OC has really been a huge step back from Steichen.  Some of these plays re just wasted downs with no chance of working.  Red zone and end of game stupid calls are killing their potential.

Defense just needs a decent starting safety which will allow them to play the cbs closer to the line and give the DL.more time to get home.  

I don't see it as sky is falling.  They have a lot of injuries at key positions and inexperienced coordinators (although I think Desai has done pretty good job considering).  Get some of those bodies healthy, have OC get a feel for the game (hopefully) and they are right there as the NFC top team.

It has just come to my attention that I will be on vacation for the Commanders and 49ers games this year...ideally their record while I am away will change.  

3 minutes ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

It’s really not BS. They were an average team who got curb stomped in the playoff game in 2021. The roster was elite last year and still very good this year. Lane went out of the game today and the offense plummeted. Agreed with the bad drops with DeVonta and Gainwell costing them. AJ made a circus catch on the sideline because he’s that good. 
 

I think 2021 is what you get if Hurts isn’t surrounded with elite talent in multiple position groups. Not bad, just average and not good enough to go deep. 

Its a zero sum league of 32 teams.

Stop pretending they have to face the 1995 Cowboys and the 1994 49ers and the 2022 Bills.

The league as a whole is a sloppy mess and the Eagles are up there with KC, SF, Detroit and a very small handful of other really good teams.

 

Give me 10 QBs who have won without talent. You can't give me 5.

Goff is going to win 12+ games this year but he is the same guy who was 3-10-1 in 2021.

Goff went 24-7 combined on his best 2 Rams teams and will go 12-5 or better with this Lions team but people like you want to say he's a bad QB because he only thrives with good teams. Good teams thrive.

Steve friggin Young was 3-16 in Tampa as a 3rd and 4th year pro. He was 5-6 in the playoffs outside of his cap cheating 1994 Deion Sanders team.

You can make the same stupid and useless argument about everyone.

 

Brett Favre was 32-32 from 03-06

Conspiracy A-A-hole was 30-24-1 from 2015 to 2018

Philip Rivers was 60-68 from 2010-2017

Of course you need good players.