18 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

The QB calculus has changed.  Brady, Brees, and Manning are retired.  Rodgers and Russ are toast.  Mahomes is all that's left.  Those guys don't need anything special.

Until proven otherwise, EVERYONE ELSE does.  That includes Hurts, Josh Allen, Burrow, Lawrence, Tua, etc.

Why is Brock Purdy on such a pedestal of success?  He's the best QB on a cheap deal surrounded by maxed out roster talent.  Last year, that was Jalen Hurts.

LMAO

Mahomes has a top 5 all-time HC and a top 2 all-time TE. He constantly has a top 10 OL and its been top 5 the last few years.

His D is playing incredible this year and he himself said they were the only reason the Chiefs won this week against a rancid Denver team.

That D is ranked 2 5 right now.

Nice try pretending though.

 

Brees was 39-40 from 2012 - 2016. He was mediocre in SD.

Manning was 32-32 to start his career and he played with loaded elite teams the rest of his career.

He had like 8 years with 2 HoF receivers. GTFO winning by himself.

 

Brady is the GoaT but 2016 and 2017 is super rare. 

He had one of the best teams ever in 2007 and his 2002-2004 team top to bottom stands with just about anyone.

Even in 2018 his D was dominant and he had Gronk.

3 minutes ago, SkippyX said:

Its a zero sum league of 32 teams.

Stop pretending they have to face the 1995 Cowboys and the 1994 49ers and the 2022 Bills.

The league as a whole is a sloppy mess and the Eagles are up there with KC, SF, Detroit and a very small handful of other really good teams.

 

Give me 10 QBs who have won without talent. You can't give me 5.

Goff is going to win 12+ games this year but he is the same guy who was 3-10-1 in 2021.

Goff went 24-7 combined on his best 2 Rams teams and will go 12-5 or better with this Lions team but people like you want to say he's a bad QB because he only thrives with good teams. Good teams thrive.

Steve friggin Young was 3-16 in Tampa as a 3rd and 4th year pro. He was 5-6 in the playoffs outside of his cap cheating 1994 Deion Sanders team.

You can make the same stupid and useless argument about everyone.

 

Brett Favre was 32-32 from 03-06

Conspiracy A-A-hole was 30-24-1 from 2015 to 2018

Philip Rivers was 60-68 from 2010-2017

Of course you need good players.

I don’t think you’re comprehending what I’m saying. Already admitted that every QB needs help. What I’m saying is I think Hurts needs elite talent at multiple position groups not just a WR1. Elite OL and elite weapons. Either way, we won’t know if I’m right or wrong until a couple years down the road. But it would go a long way if he’s able to manage without Lane for the next 3-4 games. 

31 minutes ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

The one concern I do have with Hurts moving forward if he’s really going to be the guy they want him to be and the face of the franchise is I think he needs a lot of talent around him to be successful. Like you said, no one outside of Mahomes can do it on their own. Even he has Kelce. Burrow has Chase, Allen has Diggs, etc. But I think Hurts will always need supreme talent around him to get the best out of him. Not just a WR1 but an elite OL, a good WR2, and an efficient tight end. I don’t know how sustainable that will be moving forward. Especially on the OL when Kelce and Lane are eventually gone. 

Exactly, and this is why I keep saying they need to just keep reloading with weapons in the draft. If by some chance you're within sniffing distance of Brock Bowers, you get him. There's a wealth of talent coming out at WR. They can't afford to wait until the 5th for a guy like Quez. You make the move when the elite talent is sitting in your lap. Hurts needs all the weapons he can get. He can't carry the team on his back. 

Err. Elway went to 5 SBS, he did not need talent to win... gunslinger blather!

Now look at the 8 or 9 years in the middle of his career.

 

The 1981, 1984, 1988-89 49ers were bonkers loaded with talent.

Montana never won without bonkers talent. Man, what a fraud. 🤣

 

6 minutes ago, SkippyX said:

LMAO

Mahomes has a top 5 all-time HC and a top 2 all-time TE. He constantly has a top 10 OL and its been top 5 the last few years.

His D is playing incredible this year and he himself said they were the only reason the Chiefs won this week against a rancid Denver team.

That D is ranked 2 5 right now.

Nice try pretending though.

 

Brees was 39-40 from 2012 - 2016. He was mediocre in SD.

Manning was 32-32 to start his career and he played with loaded elite teams the rest of his career.

He had like 8 years with 2 HoF receivers. GTFO winning by himself.

 

Brady is the GoaT but 2016 and 2017 is super rare. 

He had one of the best teams ever in 2007 and his 2002-2004 team top to bottom stands with just about anyone.

Even in 2018 his D was dominant and he had Gronk.

No one is saying you can put those guys on an otherwise bad team and they’ll win a SB.

But that group can win with roster limitations that everyone else just can’t. 

Of the active QBs, the level of talent Mahomes needs is just less than everyone else.

3 minutes ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

I don’t think you’re comprehending what I’m saying. Already admitted that every QB needs help. What I’m saying is I think Hurts needs elite talent at multiple position groups not just a WR1. Elite OL and elite weapons. Either way, we won’t know if I’m right or wrong until a couple years down the road. But it would go a long way if he’s able to manage without Lane for the next 3-4 games. 

I get what you are saying.

You are wrong.

2 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

No one is saying you can put those guys on an otherwise bad team and they’ll win a SB.

But that group can win with roster limitations that everyone else just can’t. 

Of the active QBs, the level of taken Mahomes needs is just less than everyone else.

They never have and they never will. (outside of Brady in 2017 with a mess of a D and some lacrosse players)

If your point is that Hurts is not Brady then... duh!

If your point is that Manning or Brees or Montana won with talent deficits you are clueless. When their teams were not elite peak they were still loaded and top 5-10 range.

Brees had some really bad Ds but his offense was almost always loaded so 7-9 or 9-7 with huge stats was also due to the talent around him. (both ways)

1 minute ago, SkippyX said:

They never have and they never will. (outside of Brady in 2017 with a mess of a D and some lacrosse players)

If your point is that Hurts is not Brady then... duh!

If your point is that Manning or Brees or Montana won with talent deficits you are clueless. When their teams were not elite peak they were still loaded and top 5-10 range.

My point is that Hurts is not Brady.  He’s also not Manning, Brees, prime Rodgers, or Mahomes.

Neither are Allen, Lawrence, or Burrow.

These are not exactly controversial comparisons.  

I know everyone wanted the Eagles to run the ball more but if you take away each players long run:

Hurts 11

Swift 9

Gainwell 12

Scott 9

The rest of the game, the Eagles rushed 18 times for 39 yards. On top of that, they only ran I think 1 tush push so it's not like there are a lot of 1 yard sneaks in there. Terrible rushing performance. 

Kempski brought up a good point. Calcatera was in for the final drive and not Goedert, who looked like tweaked something in the first half. Hopefully he’s not anything serious. 

10 minutes ago, SkippyX said:

I get what you are saying.

You are wrong.

Actually neither of us are right or wrong as of now. Hurts has the best offensive line in the league (when healthy) and a top 2-3 receiving unit. When that eventually changes whether that’s two or three years down the road is when we’ll have our answer. But like I said, it would go a long way if he’s able to put some good games together with Lane out. 

Thanks a lot, Falcons 

Just now, bpac55 said:

I know everyone wanted the Eagles to run the ball more but if you take away each players long run:

Hurts 11

Swift 9

Gainwell 12

Scott 9

The rest of the game, the Eagles rushed 18 times for 39 yards. On top of that, they only ran I think 1 tush push so it's not like there are a lot of 1 yard sneaks in there. Terrible rushing performance. 

Agreed.  Hurts was dealing in the first half, Brown was unstoppable, the Jets had no secondary, and the RBs had nowhere to run.  Calling for passes was the right way to do it.  
 

If the running game was more effective, we probably aren’t in that ill fated 3rd and long in the 4th quarter anyway…we are successfully running out the clock.

But that happens…we’ve got 2 first round picks, 2 second round picks, and about $400m invested in the passing game.  We have like a 5th round pick, 3rd round pick, and like $3m invested in running backs.

We need to be able to win by passing when the running game stalls against a team missing all their cbs.

Give me all these 12+ win bad teams elevated by QBs to magic seasons like the 2001 Sixers or the 2007 Cavs. (carried by 1 player)

You all sound like Hurts bashing clowns who have been waiting for a false flag to start on him. Its pathetic.

I am calling you out on your ignorant delusional lies so give your proof with examples or let it go.

 

 

Barkley is going to look great in green on a 1 year deal after Swift signs a big deal in Denver or something.  

1 hour ago, Sack that QB said:

The offense coming into today was averaging more ppg than last season.

They ended week 6 last season with 161 PF, this year 155 PF, the biggest difference is they were +51 through 6 last year, this year +31.  

 The Eagles have given up the 2nd or 3rd most passing TD's so far this season, that might be an issue against Miami next week, they were down 14-0 at the end of the 1st quarter today, then proceeded to put up 42 points in 3 quarters...., against Carolina sooo.  

Non-zero possibility that we're 5-9 in two months.

 

2 hours ago, Sack that QB said:

The offense coming into today was averaging more ppg than last season.

That's great and all, but they couldn't beat a defense who's 29th against the run and was down both of their starting CB's

It's not like we've played a bunch of great defenses Bucs and NE probably being the toughest and we've let a points on the field 

I understand that Lane going down severely affected the game plan, but coaching has become so analytics driven that common sense has been thrown out the window. 

4 minutes ago, SkippyX said:

Give me all these 12+ win bad teams elevated by QBs to magic seasons like the 2001 Sixers or the 2007 Cavs. (carried by 1 player)

You all sound like Hurts bashing clowns who have been waiting for a false flag to start on him. Its pathetic.

I am calling you out on your ignorant delusional lies so give your proof with examples or let it go.

 

 

This may come as a surprise to you, but as an Eagles fan I actually support the quarterback and root for Hurts. I’m not bashing him. I’m raising a concern that could come up a few years down the road long term now that they won’t be as flexible with the cap with his new deal. If they decide to not re-sign DeVonta when he’s due and opt for guys like Skyy Moore and MVS like KC did with Mahomes, I don’t think it will go well. 

Something has to be done at safety.

Available on the street.

Eric Rowe

LaMarcus Joyner

Marcus Allen

 

What would it take to get Nasir Adderly to come out of retirement. 

Quite the tweet from DGunn. Don't see him really call out a player like this.

 

2 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Something has to be done at safety.

Available on the street.

Eric Rowe

LaMarcus Joyner

Marcus Allen

 

What would it take to get Nasir Adderly to come out of retirement. 

Eric Rowe??????  Let’s see what Quinten Mikell is up to. 

4 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Something has to be done at safety.

Available on the street.

Eric Rowe

LaMarcus Joyner

Marcus Allen

 

What would it take to get Nasir Adderly to come out of retirement. 

Outside of maybe a Chinn trade, I don’t think they’ll do anything until they get a good look at Brown there. The best duo on the roster is probably Reed and him assuming Reed’s injury isn’t severe. And then Evans back after his IR stint. 

1 minute ago, eagle45 said:

Eric Rowe??????  Let’s see what Quinten Mikell is up to. 

Believe it or not, Rowe is only 30. 

If Jake hits a chip shot, we're all talking about how resilient this team is.