Just now, RLC said:

If Jake hits a chip shot, we're all talking about how resilient this team is.

This.

If we're up by five, they run the ball on third down, punt, and make the Jets drive the field.

 

Just now, BDawk_ASamuel said:

Outside of maybe a Chinn trade, I don’t think they’ll do anything until they get a good look at Brown there. The best duo on the roster is probably Reed and him assuming Reed’s injury isn’t sever. And then Evans back after his IR stint. 

Brown is fading out of the picture for 2023.  Today was his 3rd straight missed game.  He’s a rookie.  The eagles are loathe to trust rookies, ESPECIALLY at positions that can burn you like DB.  

If he’s not available very, very soon, he’s never going to get his shot to learn the ropes and settle in (for 2023).

I thought today could be a trap game. With all the injuries in the secondary, and Carter out, Garrett Wilson should have run free in our secondary all day long. And I thought this game could become a shootout.

The D did admirably well. After how uninspiring theyve looked at times this season, I could have never expected they limit G. Wilson like they did today. And after a slow start from the DL, they ended up with 5 sacks and a ton more pressure on Zach Wilson. The D, including Jobe played well. Even Edmonds held up, and whoever we grabbed out of the crowd to fill in at safety.

With Jalen Carter out, I was even a bit worried about Breece Hall. We shut down both of their top offensive weapons, and none of their other players hurt us either. It wasnt a shootout. We should have won. Our offense should have been able to score more than them.

 

Driscoll has always been a better guard than tackle. As soon as he came in the game, we ran swift behind him for a loss or no gain.

In the first half, I noticed a formation with 2 RBs in the back field. Swift and Scott. There was more motion than I noticed us using in a while. And some other really nicely designed play that looked like a new wrinkle in the offense. The passing game was filled with quick hitters, mostly to AJ but it was clear their DBs werent going to be able to cover today.

In the second half, with Opeta and Driscoll playing, everything ended up being long developing pass plays with Hurts holding on to the ball. They got away from what worked really well in the beginning. And this offense that has struggled in the red zone all year, suddenly coulldnt even reach that area of the field. 

 

They came in to the game afraid to run the ball against that defense. There were plays where Swift was stopped. But there were a few where he picked up solid yardage. They should have tried to establish it more. They may have found success. The OL couldnt hold up in pass pro for Hurts all game long. Especially when they started calling all the long developing stuff.

 

Hurts crumbled big time. But this loss is largely on Siriani and his horrible new OC. Continued misuse of personnel (not enough Swift in red zone), continued poor red zone play calling, continued misunderstanding of situational play calling and inability to adapt to the injuries on the team. 

 

 

This team could be 6-0 with some blowout wins, and Id expect at least 3 losses out of the coming stretch of difficult games. They are going to come, and they were going to come even if this team was hitting on all cylinders. Im not going to panic. Up until today this team was headed in the right direction, improving each week. Whats important is that we are peaking at the end of the year. Not in the middle of it. 

I suspect even after some losses sprinkled in over the next ~2 months, the team will continue to progress in some important areas, and will come out of it battle tested for playoffs and ready to roll.

But this loss is going to hurt. With those losses coming, you cant afford to drop one to the Jets. I expected a potential trap game, but we shouldnt have lost this one the way it ended up playing out. We should have won this game. 

I think we still win the division with relative ease. But the 49ers schedule is too easy. We arent getting the 1 seed. The question is, are we a 2 seed or a 4 seed? And this loss is going to hurt our chances for a 2 seed big time. 

Go to this site and give me a report on all of his elite-ness without high level talent.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BreeDr00.htm

Watch out for all those pro bowl players though.

2018, 13 wins!!! Wow, Kamara and Ingram combine for 2400 yards and 23 TDs but it was Brees by himself!

Oh wait, Michael Thomas had 1405 and 9

Did Cam Jordan have a 12 sack season or was that Brees playing both ways?

4 pro bowl players on the O-line.

🤡

 

Now find me 3 Peyton Manning teams without 7+ pro bowl level players.

• Marvin Harrison - 8 pro bowls
• Reggie Wayne - 6 pro bowls (WR2, lol)
• Jeff Saturday - 5 pro bowls
• Dwight Freeny - 7 pro bowls
• Robert Mathis - 5 pro bowls
• Edge - 4 pro bowls
• Tarik Glenn - 3 pro bowls

Just below the elite guys you had guys like Ryan Diem who were just consistently really good year in and year out but not quite pro bowl. (Sheldon Brown types)

Where the hell did Manning dominate without those guys in Indy?

 

Denver is a murders row of skill positions and DBs + Von Miller and throw in DeMarcus Ware when they won.

The O-line had a few pro bowls mixed in.

Do we have any offensive or defensive creativity that anyone remembers? We have some special players and it feels like we’re coached by middle school coordinators with basic concepts and rely heavily on their talent taking over sporadically.

Brees gets hurt. Teddy goes 5-0

Ergo, Brees carries the Saints.

Good stuff. 

2 minutes ago, GoEagles614 said:

Do we have any offensive or defensive creativity that anyone remembers? We have some special players and it feels like we’re coached by middle school coordinators with basic concepts and rely heavily on their talent taking over sporadically.

They had a nice play today with dual backs Swift/Scott, ran some motion, and it was basically a triple option that Hurts hit I believe Scott for a nice gain. That felt like the only creative playcall of the game that was schemed really well. Everything else just feels like "Go get open AJ and catch the ball.” 

3 minutes ago, GoEagles614 said:

Do we have any offensive or defensive creativity that anyone remembers? We have some special players and it feels like we’re coached by middle school coordinators with basic concepts and rely heavily on their talent taking over sporadically.

I wouldn't include defense in that statement.  Desai has done a nice job of getting pressure in a variety of ways.  He has had a different back seven in every game this season.

I liked a lot about Doug Pederson but I hated his short yardage philosophy.

I'm really starting to hate Siri going to all the slow handoffs to RBs out of the shotgun inside the 5. It just about never works.

Hurts can run, make them worry about pass options or block for Hurts or don't use shotgun there for quick hits.

It’s early and he was always a raw pick, but it’s a bit disappointing that 2nd year udfa Jobe, 2nd year udfa Goodrich, 1st year udfa Ricks, and 1st year udfa practice squad call up Garner are all trusted to get on the field ahead of Kelee Ringo.

The dude played at Georgia for 3 years, which was essentially an nfl defense, except better.  If he’s coming out of there raw and inferior to the above players, that’s…well that’s why he wasn’t drafted higher.

@eagle45 I agree with you but lets give them next week to reset.

They were not expecting 3 or 4 DB injuries today so they did not think they would need some of those guys much outside special teams.

He should be able to contribute in year 1, at least after the bye which is coming up fast.

3 minutes ago, SkippyX said:

I liked a lot about Doug Pederson but I hated his short yardage philosophy.

I'm really starting to hate Siri going to all the slow handoffs to RBs out of the shotgun inside the 5. It just about never works.

Hurts can run, make them worry about pass options or block for Hurts or don't use shotgun there for quick hits.

They never just run downhill.  Rpo, draw, etc.  Feels like every non tush push short yardage running play gets swallowed at the LOS during a delayed exchange for the hand off.

1 minute ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

I wouldn't include defense in that statement.  Desai has done a nice job of getting pressure in a variety of ways.  He has had a different back seven in every game this season.

Yes Desai has done a good job but he needs to tighten it up to start the game instead of waiting until halftime.  Get the D a staring safety and I think they can hold up.  DL just can't get there when the CBs are playing off giving up short passes because he doesn't trust the backend.

Who knows what Johnson is doing.  Just doesn't seem to have a feel for the game.  Seems like there isn't a consistent game plan.  He did try to have some more screens and slants.  

Wow giants just can't find the end zone again 

I get all the Johnson bashing but this is a way different offense with about 12 less drops / screw ups / refs being refs  from AJ and Smith.

Its not like he designed a play where Goedert bounces the ball back to a Jets DT.

They scored 30+ in 2 of his first 6 games, did not bother to score 30 vs Tampa, and they should have scored 30 today without several players just giving their D games.

Also no OC can survive Jack Driscoll.

1 minute ago, Cliftoma said:

Yes Desai has done a good job but he needs to tighten it up to start the game instead of waiting until halftime.  Get the D a staring safety and I think they can hold up.  DL just can't get there when the CBs are playing off giving up short passes because he doesn't trust the backend.

Who knows what Johnson is doing.  Just doesn't seem to have a feel for the game.  Seems like there isn't a consistent game plan.  He did try to have some more screens and slants.  

They did some interesting things with Devonta Smith in the backfield and with Scott and Swift in the back field.  Neither of those is a sustainable base offense, but they were fresh looks that were very effective.

With those alignments, it’s clear they are dancing around the problem that they have no viable third WR.  Despite the big play 2 weeks ago, OZ isn’t that good.

Devonta Smith does his best work a bit downfield.  They are using him and crushing him underneath.  That was a problem in 2021 that they changed in 2022 and is rearing its ugly head again.  They need a shifty, elusive, fast slot WR for those underneath YAC plays.  Smith is mis-used there.  

7 minutes ago, Cliftoma said:

Yes Desai has done a good job but he needs to tighten it up to start the game instead of waiting until halftime.  Get the D a staring safety and I think they can hold up.  DL just can't get there when the CBs are playing off giving up short passes because he doesn't trust the backend.

Who knows what Johnson is doing.  Just doesn't seem to have a feel for the game.  Seems like there isn't a consistent game plan.  He did try to have some more screens and slants.  

I am not sure how much is the play calling vs Hurts seeing the field and making decisions.  If defenses are going to continue to drop 8 into coverage, they are going to have to figure it out quickly.

I’m going to suggest something that will get me smacked.  

We need a slot wr who is a bit shifty.  We are desperate.  As good as AJ, Devonta, Goedert, and Swift are, we’ve got 10 guys on the field on offense when we roll with 11 personnel.

Jalen Reagor is on the Patriots practice squad.  

Just now, Connecticut Eagle said:

I am not sure how much is the play calling vs Hurts seeing the field and making decisions.  If defenses are going to continue to drop 8 into coverage, they are going to have to figure it out quickly.

The announcers said that after 1 incomplete pass play lateish that the Jets were in double shell and Hurts has to know to take the easy run there.

3 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I’m going to suggest something that will get me smacked.  

We need a slot wr who is a bit shifty.  We are desperate.  As good as AJ, Devonta, Goedert, and Swift are, we’ve got 10 guys on the field on offense when we roll with 11 personnel.

Jalen Reagor is on the Patriots practice squad.  

I think you can make a case that Greg Ward is the third best receiver on the roster. 

Should have gotten that Super Bowl last year when the bounces were going their way and the injury bug was at bay.

No way the Eagles sniff the Super Bowl in the years to come with this core roster.

Questionable draft choices, players a year older and breaking down, turnover at both coordinator positions.

I'm a UGA alum and diehard Dawgs fan, but both Nolan Smith and Nakobe Dean look like JAGS out there. Early yes, but not promising.  Jurgens and Brown perpetually injured. Ringo too raw to do much of anything yet. FAs brought in outside of the Swift trade look very pedestrian.

This is the stuff that annoys me.  Lazy commentary.  In no way was Smith the primary read on this play.  

 

Just now, BDawk_ASamuel said:

I think you can make a case that Greg Ward is the third best receiver on the roster. 

Well, technically, he’s not even on the roster.  And no one even kicked his tires when the Eagles let him go.

Greg Ward can run to the correct spot on the field…slowly…and reliably catch the football if it’s thrown at him and no one else is contesting it.  That’s the best thing I can say about him.

I think OZ is quicker and shiftier, but pretty close to Ward in that respect.  

If anything happens to one of the starting WRs, the offense is dead in the water.  To be honest, we probably should have considered Claypool, if for nothing more than depth.

1 minute ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

This is the stuff that annoys me.  Lazy commentary.  In no way was Smith the primary read on this play.  

 

Agreed.  It sure looks like Smith wasn’t the primary read and that was a really bad decision from Hurts.  It’s impossible to know for sure from our perspective, but that’s not the first place his eyes went.

But that decision from Hurts…ugh….didn’t have all the time in the world, but he also didn’t need to go for broke just yet.  Single coverage 10 yards downfield, even if tight, versus 3 defenders 40 yards downfield?!  Come on.  The game ends when the ball hits the ground.  Take the higher percentage play.