Just now, Waiting4Someday said:

We were eating them alive with slants, and getting consistent yards from TE screens and RB check downs - sometimes you need to outflank a heavy box.

You are right, clearly the offensive game plan yesterday was executed to a "T", and our QB looked calm, cool and collected in the pocket, especially as the game entered its closing moments.   My mistake.

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I can tell you why they were so pass happy, the Jets were down 4 corners. That doesn’t excuse just being that pass happy when you also were facing an awful run defense and down two oline starters 

Especially once it started raining and you lost your best pass blocking OL. They were stuffing inside runs, but the one toss sweep they ran with Boston got to the edge and worked. Criminal not to do more of that.

16 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Once upon a time, we had a HC who would say he needed to put his players in a better position to make plays.  Our coaches did NOT do that offensively yesterday.  I get the weakened secondary of the Jets yesterday looked enticing, but they were playing pretty well.  Jets were 29th against the run and we are supposed to be a good running team.   We NEEDED to help our OL by making their job easier... by running the ball.

 

Meanwhile, I am sick and tired of our QB draw plays on 3rd down in the red zone.  Enough.  Find a new option.  The QB draw is great when its a surprise.   Nothing surprising about it right now.  I was hoping that the team would take a hard look at the red zone and improve it.   And despite two touchdowns in the red zone yesterday, the play calls left me very much dissatisfied with any type of wrinkles or innovation for this team.

The QB draw is the new WR screen.

The option style play to Boston Scott was really neat. What I noticed the most on that play is that Boston Scott offers WAY more juice than Kenny Gainwell. Neither of them should be a short yardage back but Scott deserves some of Gainwells snaps.

5 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

You are right, clearly the offensive game plan yesterday was executed to a "T", and our QB looked calm, cool and collected in the pocket, especially as the game entered its closing moments.   My mistake.

He looked cool through the first three quarters… a lot turnovers/drops on the way to Hurts crumbling.

1 hour ago, Godfather said:

Want a slap? 

Better than the clap which is what you gave hpenis 

2 hours ago, Godfather said:

Devonta is my favorite player. Glad he stepped up. There's more that should

Imagine if you held Devonta to the same standard that you hold Hurts 

"Bro how you gonna lose to the jets bro”

that’s what I got at work 3 times already 

fml

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I can tell you why they were so pass happy, the Jets were down 4 corners. That doesn’t excuse just being that pass happy when you also were facing an awful run defense and down two oline starters 

The Eagles have asked Hurts to throw the ball 40+ times just twice in his career now.  They are 0-2 in those games.   The first was 48 attempts against the Chiefs in 2021, and the Eagles were losing big in that game, eventually losing 42-30.   Yesterday, the Eagles were leading for nearly the entire time, there was no reason to blindly continue to throw the ball because of the names of the players on the field.  It was clear that the Eagles weren't exactly being super successful picking apart that secondary, in part because the OL was struggling to protect Hurts.

4 minutes ago, Desertbirds said:

The QB draw is the new WR screen.

3 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

He looked cool through the first three quarters… a lot turnovers/drops on the way to Hurts crumbling.

Indeed... and all of them on passing plays.  🤔

4 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

The defense certainly wasn't to blame yesterday, but they haven't had a turnover for 3 weeks. That has to change when the schedule gets tougher. Worth keeping an eye on.

I brought this up yesterday. They have another turnover in 14/4 or essentially 3 1/2 games. Really hard to win in the NFL when your turnover differential the last 3 weeks is -5. On the season it’s -3

Just now, Iggles_Phan said:

Indeed... and all of them on passing plays.  🤔

The Goedert one was fluky, although he seems to attract those plays somehow. The Swift punch out was honestly a really nice play. The tip/INT was partly on Hurts and definitely on the change to a long developing pass attack. The last INT is indefensible, but was preceded by 2 failed runs.

We always have to worry about the division first, so go Chargers. But looking at both the Whiners and the Lions schedules the remainder of the year...losing this yesterday severely hurt their chances of getting the 1 seed.

On top of the eagles sucking, my diet yesterday consisted mostly of chili and wine.  I've already had to run to the can 4 times this AM.

 

I guess you can say I'm having a pretty big day.

 

If we can get to 7-2 heading into the bye, I think we'll be in decent shape to close out the season with 12 or 13 wins. Whether that's enough to secure the top seed remains to be seen, but I'm not gonna let this loss bother me too much unless we drop two of the next three games. 

1 minute ago, Waiting4Someday said:

The Goedert one was fluky, although he seems to attract those plays somehow. The Swift punch out was honestly a really nice play. The tip/INT was partly on Hurts and definitely on the change to a long developing pass attack. The last INT is indefensible, but was preceded by 2 failed runs.

Ironically, a 3rd failed run on that play instead and we are having a different conversation.  More importantly than the INT... watch Hurts on that play.  He was backing up as he threw that pass.   BACKING UP... he was broken long before that final drive started.   And the reason that they were beaten is because the coaches put too much on his plate and too much on the OL to be able to pass protect him.   You are describing the outcomes of the turnovers... I am discussing the process that lead to them.    When one fluky thing happens, it can be thought of as a fluke.  When fluky things happen as a matter of course, then they aren't fluky, they are just the norm.   For whatever reason, Goedert has a tendency to turn the ball over quite frequently, and is better NOT running middle screens, but to keep him more to the boundary on those plays where there are less people around him.   OR, have him go down the seam more.   But, when he's inside the numbers, turnovers seem to follow him.    The turnover where Hurts' arm was hit was just a matter of time given the way Driscoll was getting beat.  It was inevitable.  And all the times Hurts got chased yesterday compounded in his head leading to the end game.  Its why DCs have long been about getting into the QB's face, because the more you do, the more likely you are to get them to make bad decisions.   Hurts was asked to do too much... as was the OL.   100% on the coaches, compounded by the fact that they HAD the lead the entire game and the clock was their friend.  

8 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

Especially once it started raining and you lost your best pass blocking OL. They were stuffing inside runs, but the one toss sweep they ran with Boston got to the edge and worked. Criminal not to do more of that.

Yep. Help your offensive line by running the ball. That’s where you are going to help cover a weakness and downgrade to Driscoll. You’re not going to get the same type of pass protection with Driscoll as you are with Johnson. Unfortunately, our coaches seem to not think that. I get having confidence in your guys. However, there’s confidence and then there’s just stupidity to not realize how much of a difference it is going from Johnson to Driscoll.

Jets at home are much better defensively than they are on the road. They really play with a different type of demeanor in that stadium. Allen, mahomes and hurts all struggled. I was expecting it to be close because the Jets defense is a Super Bowl caliber type defense and was going to keep them in the game. But the Eagles had opportunities in this game. Like previous games they tried to piss it away. Yesterday they actually completed it.  

not talked about nearly enough, and there were a lot of factors why the Eagles lost, swift’s fumble and running out of bounds on the first run on the second to last drive. That was a brutal turnover and mistake. Because the Eagles were building a drive and all of a sudden he fumbled the ball and instead of it potentially being 17-6 or 21-6 at the half it becomes 14-9. And on top of it later in the game instead of running and staying in bounds, he goes out. That’s something sanders got taken out of 2 minute offense for in the past. If he doesn’t run out of bounds, the Eagles might not be throwing on that 3rd interception.  Don’t know how would’ve played out differently but the fact that you save them about 40 seconds and potentially time out it’s just bad football IQ.
 

18 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

If we can get to 7-2 heading into the bye, I think we'll be in decent shape to close out the season with 12 or 13 wins. Whether that's enough to secure the top seed remains to be seen, but I'm not gonna let this loss bother me too much unless we drop two of the next three games. 

It all comes down to if the lessons are learned from yesterday.  There were many reasons for the loss, almost all of them self inflicted.  Does this team learn from it, or do they 'flush it' and pretend it can't/won't happen again.

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Yep. Help your offensive line by running the ball. That’s where you are going to help cover a weakness and downgrade to Driscoll. You’re not going to get the same type of pass protection with Driscoll as you are with Johnson. Unfortunately, our coaches seem to not think that. I get having confidence in your guys. However, there’s confidence and then there’s just stupidity to not realize how much of a difference it is going from Johnson to Driscoll.

Jets at home are much better defensively than they are on the road. They really play with a different type of demeanor in that stadium. Allen, mahomes and hurts all struggled. I was expecting it to be close because the Jets defense is a Super Bowl caliber type defense and was going to keep them in the game. But the Eagles had opportunities in this game. Like previous games they tried to piss it away. Yesterday they actually completed it.  

not talked about nearly enough, and there were a lot of factors why the Eagles lost, swift’s fumble and running out of bounds on the first run on the second to last drive. That was a brutal turnover and mistake. Because the Eagles were building a drive and all of a sudden he fumbled the ball and instead of it potentially being 17-6 or 21-6 at the half it becomes 14-9. And on top of it later in the game instead of running and staying in bounds, he goes out. That’s something sanders got taken out of 2 minute offense for in the past. If he doesn’t run out of bounds, the Eagles might not be throwing on that 3rd interception.  Don’t know how would’ve played out differently but the fact that you save them about 40 seconds and potentially time out it’s just bad football IQ.
 

If the coaches didn't discuss the need to keep the clock moving on that drive... that's on them.  If the team didn't discuss it in the huddle before that first play was called... that's on them.   That's football 101.   Much more important than those 2 yards was the 40 seconds on the clock.

 

"50 times? I mean you're asking for trouble," Joyner continued, referencing the amount of times Hurts was asked to drop back. "And I'm sick and damn tired of this mentality, 'Oh, you throw the ball early, then you get a lead.' The hell with that. You're a top two running football team in the National Football League. You ran the ball 48 and 40 times in Weeks 2 and 3...for over 200 yards. How in the hell do you go through a whole half of football and your running backs only touch the ball for a combined total of two to four times? That makes no sense!!"

https://www.audacy.com/94wip/sports/eagles/seth-joyner-pissed-eagles-loss-jets-running-ball-sirianni?fbclid=IwAR3wCpP2oicwkS4ZTMhxT5faPulvTKpg4bcBE13VrpJpWPCGlFabxYhCYOc

I have no issue with the pass-run ratio. They absolutely whipped up an upfront. Running was almost a wasted down for us. The issue was not helping Driscoll more. We can’t pretend like there is no drop off to our backup tackles. 

5 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Ironically, a 3rd failed run on that play instead and we are having a different conversation.  More importantly than the INT... watch Hurts on that play.  He was backing up as he threw that pass.   BACKING UP... he was broken long before that final drive started.   And the reason that they were beaten is because the coaches put too much on his plate and too much on the OL to be able to pass protect him.   You are describing the outcomes of the turnovers... I am discussing the process that lead to them.    When one fluky thing happens, it can be thought of as a fluke.  When fluky things happen as a matter of course, then they aren't fluky, they are just the norm.   For whatever reason, Goedert has a tendency to turn the ball over quite frequently, and is better NOT running middle screens, but to keep him more to the boundary on those plays where there are less people around him.   OR, have him go down the seam more.   But, when he's inside the numbers, turnovers seem to follow him.    The turnover where Hurts' arm was hit was just a matter of time given the way Driscoll was getting beat.  It was inevitable.  And all the times Hurts got chased yesterday compounded in his head leading to the end game.  Its why DCs have long been about getting into the QB's face, because the more you do, the more likely you are to get them to make bad decisions.   Hurts was asked to do too much... as was the OL.   100% on the coaches, compounded by the fact that they HAD the lead the entire game and the clock was their friend.  

Given how the defense was playing, I’m with you that a 3rd run and clock burn would’ve been A-ok. This offense prides itself on being aggressive, maybe to a fault.

Just now, Cliftoma said:

"50 times? I mean you're asking for trouble," Joyner continued, referencing the amount of times Hurts was asked to drop back. "And I'm sick and damn tired of this mentality, 'Oh, you throw the ball early, then you get a lead.' The hell with that. You're a top two running football team in the National Football League. You ran the ball 48 and 40 times in Weeks 2 and 3...for over 200 yards. How in the hell do you go through a whole half of football and your running backs only touch the ball for a combined total of two to four times? That makes no sense!"

https://www.audacy.com/94wip/sports/eagles/seth-joyner-pissed-eagles-loss-jets-running-ball-sirianni?fbclid=IwAR3wCpP2oicwkS4ZTMhxT5faPulvTKpg4bcBE13VrpJpWPCGlFabxYhCYOc

He's right.  And I'll add... they had the lead the entire game... until they didn't.  There was no reason to abandon the run.