6 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

Given how the defense was playing, I’m with you that a 3rd run and clock burn would’ve been A-ok. This offense prides itself on being aggressive, maybe to a fault.

I hate leaving the game to the defense, but they earned the right to be given the opportunity to close that game down. Especially with how Reddick and Sweat were playing. Punt the ball, give Zach Wilson a minute and no timeouts to go 60 yards, and if you let that happen then you didn't deserve to win anyway. The game should have been in their hands given how the offense was playing. 

Also, if it was a 3rd and 4/5 I get passing to try to end it. 3rd and 9 they had no business running a pass play there. 

11 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

If the coaches didn't discuss the need to keep the clock moving on that drive... that's on them.  If the team didn't discuss it in the huddle before that first play was called... that's on them.   That's football 101.   Much more important than those 2 yards was the 40 seconds on the clock.

Completely hypothetical but if Swift stays in bounds, and everything else goes the same you were likely running that 3rd and 9 play with around 120 left (jets likely would’ve burned one timeout earlier then they had too). So there’s a really good chance you’re not even throwing in that situation. Run the ball eats up 40 more seconds. Jets get the ball after the punt with around 30 seconds with no timeouts having to go likely 45-55 yards for a field goal. It doesn’t get talked about enough because there’s a bunch of the reasons why the Eagles lost yesterday. But that was such a poor decision by swift and the coaching staff/huddle for not saying stay in bounds before the play (if they didn’t)

1 minute ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

I hate leaving the game to the defense, but they earned the right to be given the opportunity to close that game down. Especially with how Reddick and Sweat were playing. Punt the ball, give Zach Wilson a minute and no timeouts to go 60 yards, and if you let that happen then you didn't deserve to win anyway. The game should have been in their hands given how the offense was playing. 

Also, if it was a 3rd and 4/5 I get passing to try to end it. 3rd and 9 they had no business running a pass play there. 

That was a time for a classic QB draw... they love that play!!!

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Completely hypothetical but if Swift stays in bounds, and everything else goes the same you were likely running that 3rd and 9 play with around 120 left. So there’s a really good chance you’re not even throwing in that situation. Run the ball eats up 40 more seconds. Jets get the ball after the punt with around 30 seconds with no timeouts having to go likely 45-55 yards for a field goal. It doesn’t get talked about enough because there’s a bunch of the reasons why the Eagles lost yesterday. But that was such a poor decision by swift and the coaching staff/huddle for not saying stay in bounds before the play. 

No doubt.  The entire team seemed to be brain dead yesterday.  Tons of poor decisions sprinkled in everywhere.  Hopefully there is an awakening today and they get their heads screwed on right.

I was totally fine with a pass on 3rd down because of the context of the situation. Even a sack there accomplishes essentially the same thing as a run. It kills the clock and you punt it away. But one first down and the game is over, period. You have to at least take the chance of seeing if you can pick up the first down. Hurts has to know better. At the very least you drop back, scan the field, and if no one's open you just go to the ground and let the clock run.

13 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Part of me is relieved they lost because I was tired of pretending for weeks that everything was perfect becasue they won and that’s all that mattered. I still think they’re a great team, arguably the best in football, but something is definitely off this year and it’s been apparent since week 1. Across the board on offense they look like they lack confidence in each other and themselves. They’re playing like they’re afraid to make mistakes. They’re playing conservatively and tight in big spots. Hurts isn’t reading defenses like he did last year.

It’s something different every game. First few games Hurts was running like he was afraid to get hit. In the red zone it’s like they don’t actually throw passes into the end zone almost like they’re afraid they’re going to turn it over. Hurts bailing the pocket early.

Last season they played like alphas. This season they aren’t.

I don't think anyone was pretending.  I do think they have fixed some issues but they haven't fixed others.  Losing Lane definitely impacted the game.  Smith dropping passes impacted the game.  Hurts playing hero ball impacted the game.  He threw 3 INTs.  The last one was the most egregious.  The first one was on Goedert. The 2nd one was on Driscoll, play caller and protection call.  The third one was inexcusable.  He threw it off of his back foot with no velocity into double coverage.  Maybe Goedert shouldn't have let Williams undercut him but the throw was late and slow.  It's not good at all.  Finally, the game was on the line and they couldn't do anything to move the ball.  It was a piss poor showing.  

I think you have a good point on their willingness to throw in the red zone.  They lacked creativity in the play calls.  They had that nice triple option pass to Boston Scott and that was the only new play I have seen in the last 4 weeks.  They do not do enough to disguise what they are doing on offense.  

Now, I do think the game was close and frankly if Goedert catches the first throw and Smith doesn't drop that pass in the second half, the outcome is much different.  They didn't get the breaks they have been getting.  Aside from Driscoll gettng schooled, the Eagles' hurt themselves more than the Jets won the game.  

1 minute ago, Sack that QB said:

I was totally fine with a pass on 3rd down because of the context of the situation. Even a sack there accomplishes essentially the same thing as a run. It kills the clock and you punt it away. But one first down and the game is over, period. You have to at least take the chance of seeing if you can pick up the first down. Hurts has to know better. At the very least you drop back, scan the field, and if no one's open you just go to the ground and let the clock run.

If there was a time for him to escape the pocket and run, that was it.  

32 minutes ago, justwinbaby said:

Imagine if you held Devonta to the same standard that you hold Hurts 

I hold every player the same. Qbs always get the most scrutiny. I'm glad Smith owned up to those 2 big drops instead of putting on a stupid humble face

5 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

No doubt.  The entire team seemed to be brain dead yesterday.  Tons of poor decisions sprinkled in everywhere.  Hopefully there is an awakening today and they get their heads screwed on right.

I want to say that’s what should happen. But now they’re at a point where they have a massive amount of injuries so it might not be an awakening as it’s what talent you have vs. what talent you are playing at this part of the schedule.

 I thought after the New England game, after the Washington game, even after Minnesota where they let teams back in the game that would be the case. This team has been living dangerously in a lot of these games they played. I would say 4 of the 6 games they’ve tried to give the game away when they’ve gone up by double digits. Every single one of those 4 games they were up by double digits annd attempted give the game back. Yesterday was the first time they actually manage to complete the job. In all 6 games this year the eagles have had a two possession lead.
 

36 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

Better than the clap which is what you gave hpenis 

You love a nice clap

Another thing I'm not sure of yesterday that didn't end up mattering: I'm not sure letting them score a TD was the right move. It was 1st and goal from the 8. 1:55 or so left, the Eagles had 2 timeouts. Would you rather have 1:45 left with 2 timeouts needing a TD when you only scored 2 TDs all day? Or would you rather have about a minute left with no timeouts just needing a FG?

I think I would've rather had the latter.

7 minutes ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

I hate leaving the game to the defense, but they earned the right to be given the opportunity to close that game down. Especially with how Reddick and Sweat were playing. Punt the ball, give Zach Wilson a minute and no timeouts to go 60 yards, and if you let that happen then you didn't deserve to win anyway. The game should have been in their hands given how the offense was playing. 

Also, if it was a 3rd and 4/5 I get passing to try to end it. 3rd and 9 they had no business running a pass play there. 

Too many bad outcomes to warrant passing in that situation.  Even an incomplete pass lowers our chances of winning that game.  I get being aggressive to a point but you also have to be smart with the clock.  So far, BJ and Nick aren't making good in game decisions.

Snap Counts from yesterday

3 minutes ago, Cliftoma said:

Too many bad outcomes to warrant passing in that situation.  Even an incomplete pass lowers our chances of winning that game.  I get being aggressive to a point but you also have to be smart with the clock.  So far, BJ and Nick aren't making good in game decisions.

Part of that is on Hurts as well because I'd hope that there was zero chance they didn't tell him before they ran that play "If there's nothing there, just eat it and go down". If they didn't then that's coaching malpractice. 

1 hour ago, Parrot Head said:

If my theory is true that Carter and Slay could have played had the game been against a team like Dallas or SF, then the tone was set by the organization before the ball was ever kicked off.

The players in the locker room know how injured / not injured those guys are. So, Sirrianis comments signal to everyone, players included, that we can rest our best guys because it's just the Jets.

Couple that with some more awful situational play calling, a few turnovers, couple of key unfortunate injuries, and you have the perfect recipe to lose to one of the worst teams in the NFL.

I hear you but at the same time they were facing Wilson and getting ready for a long stretch of hard games. They should have survived yesterday had the offense not had it's head up it's backside. 

4 minutes ago, Godfather said:

I hold every player the same. Qbs always get the most scrutiny. I'm glad Smith owned up to those 2 big drops instead of putting on a stupid humble face

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7 minutes ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

I hate leaving the game to the defense, but they earned the right to be given the opportunity to close that game down. Especially with how Reddick and Sweat were playing. Punt the ball, give Zach Wilson a minute and no timeouts to go 60 yards, and if you let that happen then you didn't deserve to win anyway. The game should have been in their hands given how the offense was playing. 

Also, if it was a 3rd and 4/5 I get passing to try to end it. 3rd and 9 they had no business running a pass play there. 

I have no problem with a pass play but let's make it a roll out where he has an option to run.  

1 minute ago, Sack that QB said:

Another thing I'm not sure of yesterday that didn't end up mattering: I'm not sure letting them score a TD was the right move. It was 1st and goal from the 8. 1:55 or so left, the Eagles had 2 timeouts. Would you rather have 1:45 left with 2 timeouts needing a TD when you only scored 2 TDs all day? Or would you rather have about a minute left with no timeouts just needing a FG?

I think I would've rather had the latter.

I would've rather Hurts run and get as many yards as possible, let the clock run, and punt and make the Jets go 70 yards and put the trust in the defense 

The offensive game plan needs to be reviewed closely.  Multiple players made mistakes that cost the team's outputs.  Hurts should carry a good portion of the blame for the poor performance.  In many games, when he rolled out to the right, the throws were not to a reciever.  When Hurts is the leading ground gainer, the rushing game is not doing well.  Losing Johnson also made a big difference on rushing to his side.  Can't blame Driscoll too much as a subs.  He should be better with some practices during the coming week.

On defense, missing multiple players showed and more went down during the game.  Let's see if they can bounce back next week.  The fast WR of Miami team is going to be a handful for the depleted DB/CB group.   

1 minute ago, Sack that QB said:

Another thing I'm not sure of yesterday that didn't end up mattering: I'm not sure letting them score a TD was the right move. It was 1st and goal from the 8. 1:55 or so left, the Eagles had 2 timeouts. Would you rather have 1:45 left with 2 timeouts needing a TD when you only scored 2 TDs all day? Or would you rather have about a minute left with no timeouts just needing a FG?

I think I would've rather had the latter.

Great question.  I was thinking in the moment "let them score", but given how the offense looked in the 4th quarter, the need to score a TD to win was a tall ask. 

Only having two timeouts meant the Jets could have run 40 seconds off the clock before the 4th down kick -- and there's no guarantee the Eagles D gets a stop there.  Give up a first down and you never get the ball back at all.  There was also a small possibility the Jets miss the FG.

On balance, I think Nick made the right choice.  Two timeouts and 1:46 on the clock should have been enough to work with. 

Just now, DawkinsOwnage03 said:

Is this troll or legit? If legit, savage 🤣🤣🤣

I've been a member since 2005, if I was a troll I would have been long gone

3 minutes ago, mattwill said:

Snap Counts from yesterday

I still don't understand why Barnett is getting more playing time then Smith

16 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

That was a time for a classic QB draw... they love that play!!!

I thought for sure they were going to run a Qb draw on the 3rd and 9. Said it during the 2 minute warning what are the odds. Made sense given the context that the Eagles needed 9 yards. The Jets were likely going to drop six or seven and only rush 4 maybe 5 due to having Driscoll out there and not lane so no need to send the house. So if you got by the initial pass rush, then he was likely getting at least get five or six and there was a chance of defenders turned their back to cover guys further down the field that he might’ve picked up 9.

i have no issues if you wanted to throw the ball, but looking how the defense was sitting, there was nowhere to go. in that situation taking a sack was a fine option rather than throwing the football. Because even the sack you can scramble a little and waste some more seconds on the play and then another 40 seconds by the time you punt the ball to the Jets. Jets get it back there’s gonna be just around a minute left with no timeouts which they had to go about 55 yards at least to get into FG. 

I know nobody thought they have the perfect season.  It took the Jets 50 years to finally beat the Eagles.  They worked hard for that win too.  The Team needs to dust themselves off and get back to work.  Miami and their high flying offense are coming into town.  My only beef with the gameplan was we got away from the Run.  Jalen throwing 45 times isn't not even necessary with our run game.  Clean it up.  

1 minute ago, Alphagrand said:

Great question.  I was thinking in the moment "let them score", but given how the offense looked in the 4th quarter, the need to score a TD to win was a tall ask. 

Only having two timeouts meant the Jets could have run 40 seconds off the clock before the 4th down kick -- and there's no guarantee the Eagles D gets a stop there.  Give up a first down and you never get the ball back at all.  There was also a small possibility the Jets miss the FG.

On balance, I think Nick made the right choice.  Two timeouts and 1:46 on the clock should have been enough to work with. 

Completely moot because the offense couldn't pick up even 1 first down, so FG or TD didn't matter.   They were already beaten.  You could see it in Hurts' face after the INT.  The game was clearly over.