I don’t like to make a negative post after a win but here it goes… Am I the only person who is sick of this team benching Swift in the second quarter for Gainwell only to see the offense completely fall apart? How many times do we need to see these guys just give a quarter away and look completely out of sync? Last year the second quarter was their second quarter, but this year it’s been horribly bad yet they seem determined give it away and for what? To make Gainwell feel good? I truly don’t know who is scheming this crap, but this idea is killing them weekly. The Eagles are basically playing three quarters of a four quarter football game. Despite the sacks, interceptions, and fumbles that seem to just pile up in the second, the Eagles keep on plugging in Gainwell. 

Bad things happen when he is on the field

Didnt he have a great run to set up a TD?

Look i think everyone would want Swift to get the ball 30 times a game but so far their plan to keep him healthy and fresh when we need him in critical times has worked.

Its week 12 and Swift has not been injured or missed a game. Thats something.

That fumble was not on Gainwell. You don't run a read option,  put the ball in the running backs pouch, pull it out and then try and give it back. That one was on Hurts. Read option is designed as soon as Hurts pulls the ball, it's his.

He only had 2 carries all game

You guys aren’t getting it. Generally the Eagles have been taking Swift out the entire second quarter and basically giving it to Gainwell. That’s when all kinds of stupid things happen to the offense. They pass more leading to more mistakes. Against the Chiefs that’s when all the sacks happened. The INT happened in the second. They stop running and get pass happy, because Gainwell "such a great blocker.” How many games now have the Eagles just got behind because o dismal second quarter now? Why sit Swift for basically the entire quarter? 

1 hour ago, opa-opa said:

Didnt he have a great run to set up a TD?

Look i think everyone would want Swift to get the ball 30 times a game but so far their plan to keep him healthy and fresh when we need him in critical times has worked.

Its week 12 and Swift has not been injured or missed a game. Thats something.

Although I agree with the OP.....I have to agree with this as well.....

So ... we're mad at Gainwell this week?

1 hour ago, opa-opa said:

Didnt he have a great run to set up a TD?

Look i think everyone would want Swift to get the ball 30 times a game but so far their plan to keep him healthy and fresh when we need him in critical times has worked.

Its week 12 and Swift has not been injured or missed a game. Thats something.

Swift is the superior back, but this right here. He's not a workhorse that can be pounded into the ground for a full season. 

11 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

So ... we're mad at Gainwell this week?

No I’m irked that they bench Swift for an entire quarter and their offense once again got out of whack. This once again led to a deficit. Why they have such a need to give basically an entire quarter of offense to Gainwell every week makes no sense. Can Gainwell get runs? Sure in fact Gainwell has made plays especially as a spell guy, but when they bench Swift for long stretches for Gainwell it hurts the offense. 

BTW, Gainwell played 5 snaps in the 2nd quarter. 3 of them after the two-minute warning including Hurts' botched handoff. Boston Scott was the first RB to get used in the 2nd quarter. Gainwell played in the 1st quarter including the run that set up the first TD. 

Sometimes people just want to gripe about certain players and create a fictional event to gripe about. 

1 hour ago, opa-opa said:

Didnt he have a great run to set up a TD?

Look i think everyone would want Swift to get the ball 30 times a game but so far their plan to keep him healthy and fresh when we need him in critical times has worked.

Its week 12 and Swift has not been injured or missed a game. Thats something.

I don’t mind Gainwell getting touches. I don’t even mind preserving Swift, but what I don’t understand is why sit Swift for an entire quarter? It makes more sense to give Gainwell in series rotations rather than a full quarter similar to how they rotate their defensive line. 

Penny.... sniff sniff. I had such high hopes 

So the 2nd quarter went like this:

Our 1st series: Swift -- 2 plays -- ended with INT

2nd series : Scott 3 plays, then Gainwell on 3rd and 6 --- failed to convert / punted.

3rd series: Swift 2 plays, then Gainwell on 3rd and long --- 3 and out

4th series: Gainwell 3 plays - 3rd play was the fumble.

 

The Eagles did, in fact, rotate the RBs that quarter similar to how they rotate the D-Line. This thread really makes no sense. 

14 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

BTW, Gainwell played 5 snaps in the 2nd quarter. 3 of them after the two-minute warning including Hurts' botched handoff. Boston Scott was the first RB to get used in the 2nd quarter. Gainwell played in the 1st quarter including the run that set up the first TD. 

Sometimes people just want to gripe about certain players and create a fictional event to gripe about. 

In this quarter Swift had one carry. Scott got two I believe and Gainwell saw as many snaps if not more than Swift. The numbers are skewed though, because the Eagles barley had the football with two quick turnovers in drives plus a couple three and put punts. The Bills dominated the TOP, but the Eagles didn’t even try to give Swift the ball. Then they went into their two min offense with only Gainwell. This isn’t the only game they have done that either. The Eagles didnt even use Swift week one because they relied so heavily on Gainwell. Look if you don’t see that Swift is a weapon who should be utilized and not just ignored for an entire quarter I can’t help you. 

49 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

You guys aren’t getting it. Generally the Eagles have been taking Swift out the entire second quarter and basically giving it to Gainwell. That’s when all kinds of stupid things happen to the offense. They pass more leading to more mistakes. Against the Chiefs that’s when all the sacks happened. The INT happened in the second. They stop running and get pass happy, because Gainwell "such a great blocker.” How many games now have the Eagles just got behind because o dismal second quarter now? Why sit Swift for basically the entire quarter? 

I don't agree with the running back musical chairs either, although the offensive stupidity happens far earlier than the 2nd quarter, it's typically the opening drive (like today 😂). 

Scott had 4 snaps (including the kneeldown).

Swift had 4 snaps.

Gainwell had 5 snaps.

It's that simple.

3 hours ago, brkmsn said:

So the 2nd quarter went like this:

Our 1st series: Swift -- 2 plays -- ended with INT

2nd series : Scott 3 plays, then Gainwell on 3rd and 6 --- failed to convert / punted.

3rd series: Swift 2 plays, then Gainwell on 3rd and long --- 3 and out

4th series: Gainwell 3 plays - 3rd play was the fumble.

 

The Eagles did, in fact, rotate the RBs that quarter similar to how they rotate the D-Line. This thread really makes no sense. 

I’d be curious to know the stats for the season up to this point. I did feel like swift was not present in the 2nd quarter but that’s could be because of game flow, situations, etc.  in the second half they started to use swift more and he was the main guy in the one TD drive, so I do see the OPs point, like why do they seemingly put him on such a limited pitch count that renders him useless for 1/4 of every game?  Preserving guys is one thing, but at times this seems excessive.  It’s why Miles wanted out so badly.  
 

p.s. we used to blame deuce for the RB rotation woes…..who do we blame now? 

I think my issue with the RB rotation is, if you're going to play an RPO where the hand off is delayed or disguised, you either have all the players practise it regularly or preferably train up one pairing so it's a fine art, the number of rocky or straight botched handoffs we've had this year is absurd, and Yesterday's was an all timer.

People can blame Hurts entirely if they want but to my mind if a Running Back has the ball in his chest, he should at least prepare to cradle the ball, even if only to sell the fake, Gainwell never moves his arm toward the ball at all until it's dropping towards his toes.

I have no issue with a rotation of sorts but they just don’t do it right. Gainwell has had some good runs but they go away from Swift for long periods and I don’t get that at all. Sure rotate and keep him fresh. Sure keep the defense off balance by mixing up styles but they don’t really do that. They go to Gainwell for long periods so the defense isn’t really left guessing.

I am not a Gainwell fan but tbf that botched handoff was on Hurts...Swift wouldn't last a whole season if he constantly got 20+ carries so they do need to spread out the carries...however, I do think those carries could be going to Scott who is a more effective runner overall. Penny I think is being saved for the playoff run.

I like Gainwell. He´s a good player for the rotation, it´s not like other teams have backfields comprising Barry Sanders, Walter Payton and Brian Westbrook. And I like him in when we need to move the ball downfield quickly, he´s really good at picking up the pass rush - and you don´t want your lead back doing that too much

11 minutes ago, kiwinavega said:

I like Gainwell. He´s a good player for the rotation, it´s not like other teams have backfields comprising Barry Sanders, Walter Payton and Brian Westbrook. And I like him in when we need to move the ball downfield quickly, he´s really good at picking up the pass rush - and you don´t want your lead back doing that too much

I don’t think the issue is so much with Gainwell. Well it isn’t for me anyway. I think he’s a fine player. He’s made some mistakes but he’s made some plays too. He made one yesterday in fact on our first TD drive. It’s the use of the RBs and going away from Swift for such long periods.

4 hours ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

I think my issue with the RB rotation is, if you're going to play an RPO where the hand off is delayed or disguised, you either have all the players practise it regularly or preferably train up one pairing so it's a fine art, the number of rocky or straight botched handoffs we've had this year is absurd, and Yesterday's was an all timer.

People can blame Hurts entirely if they want but to my mind if a Running Back has the ball in his chest, he should at least prepare to cradle the ball, even if only to sell the fake, Gainwell never moves his arm toward the ball at all until it's dropping towards his toes.

That is 100% on the QB. He can't pull the ball away and then try to put it back. Once he pulls it away, that is the signal to the RB to go into block/decoy mode. Hurts saw the guy crashing in on the RB from the right. He decided to pull the ball away. He then realized that they were crashing on him too and tried to "put it back" into the RB. The QB can hold the ball in the RB's gut for longer if he's still reading the defense, but he just can't pull it away and then change his mind. 

8 hours ago, brkmsn said:

So the 2nd quarter went like this:

Our 1st series: Swift -- 2 plays -- ended with INT

2nd series : Scott 3 plays, then Gainwell on 3rd and 6 --- failed to convert / punted.

3rd series: Swift 2 plays, then Gainwell on 3rd and long --- 3 and out

4th series: Gainwell 3 plays - 3rd play was the fumble.

 

The Eagles did, in fact, rotate the RBs that quarter similar to how they rotate the D-Line. This thread really makes no sense. 

My issue wasn't with the rotation but more so the lack of attempts early on when it was really raining and they were struggling with pass pro. It's okay to lean on the run game until they get going in the air. Seemed pretty obvious to everyone that running to the left on the edges was the way to go.  (even Romo called it out early). Better late than never in the second half but they need to make those adjustments sooner so that they don't get in such a hole