5 hours ago, DBW said:

I’d be curious to know the stats for the season up to this point. I did feel like swift was not present in the 2nd quarter but that’s could be because of game flow, situations, etc.  in the second half they started to use swift more and he was the main guy in the one TD drive, so I do see the OPs point, like why do they seemingly put him on such a limited pitch count that renders him useless for 1/4 of every game?  Preserving guys is one thing, but at times this seems excessive.  It’s why Miles wanted out so badly.  
 

p.s. we used to blame deuce for the RB rotation woes…..who do we blame now? 

Swift was the RB on 2 of the 4 offensive series in the 2nd quarter (except for one 3rd down). If we had sustained drives in the 2nd quarter, things might have looked different. The offense was booed off the field before halftime. 

Myles was "the guy" last year and we hardly used a rotation. He didn't want out --- the Eagles just didn't want to give him a contract like Carolina did. 

9 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

That is 100% on the QB. He can't pull the ball away and then try to put it back. Once he pulls it away, that is the signal to the RB to go into block/decoy mode. Hurts saw the guy crashing in on the RB from the right. He decided to pull the ball away. He then realized that they were crashing on him too and tried to "put it back" into the RB. The QB can hold the ball in the RB's gut for longer if he's still reading the defense, but he just can't pull it away and then change his mind. 

Agreed that one looked like it was on Hurts. Can't imagine that it was designed that way.

3 minutes ago, judunno said:

My issue wasn't with the rotation but more so the lack of attempts early on when it was really raining and they were struggling with pass pro. It's okay to lean on the run game until they get going in the air. Seemed pretty obvious to everyone that running to the left on the edges was the way to go.  (even Romo called it out early). Better late than never in the second half but they need to make those adjustments sooner so that they don't get in such a hole 

Clearly there's a problem if your 1st 3 passes are all throw-aways. It's not as easy to pass in the rain. It's not as easy to protect your QB without Lane and Goedert on the right side. That opening series was a joke. But the biggest factor putting them in the hole was really the turnovers. 

9 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

Clearly there's a problem if your 1st 3 passes are all throw-aways. It's not as easy to pass in the rain. It's not as easy to protect your QB without Lane and Goedert on the right side. That opening series was a joke. But the biggest factor putting them in the hole was really the turnovers. 

Yeah... I'm thinking they minimize turnovers running ball but that's not 100% true either considering that they run into each and fumble it around as well. When I see rain and no Lane my first instinct is let's go Swift.

8 minutes ago, judunno said:

Yeah... I'm thinking they minimize turnovers running ball but that's not 100% true either considering that they run into each and fumble it around as well. When I see rain and no Lane my first instinct is let's go Swift.

I still get the sense they want to keep Brown happy and are looking for some shots early. This could just be a time where the Eagles out-think themselves and feel they are doing the opposite of what they believe is expected. 

 

My personal preference is to begin the first series with a run on 1st down and go from there. Keep things manageable so you aren't in obvious passing situations --- especially early.

14 hours ago, [TSM]_PimpDaddyPain said:

I don't agree with the running back musical chairs either, although the offensive stupidity happens far earlier than the 2nd quarter, it's typically the opening drive (like today 😂). 

You can say what you want, but in the last 4 games the Eagles have been out scored 47-14 in the second. It has by far been their worst quarter and it’s generally the quarter they usually move away from Swift. 

44 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

You can say what you want, but in the last 4 games the Eagles have been out scored 47-14 in the second. It has by far been their worst quarter and it’s generally the quarter they usually move away from Swift. 

Yep I wasn't disagreeing, I've absolutely wanted them to get Swift more involved (including 2nd quarter).  I was just adding that offensive playcalling has been overall pretty bad throughout entire games(even when Swift is on the field), although typically the first half has been worse and then 2nd half adjustments are made after we've dug ourselves into a hole. 

44 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

You can say what you want, but in the last 4 games the Eagles have been out scored 47-14 in the second. It has by far been their worst quarter and it’s generally the quarter they usually move away from Swift. 

I might be imagining this, but wasn't it the second quarter last year where the Eagles were utterly blowing teams away? History sure does love cycles

Also, just occured to me that both Kelces hace a Swift of their own

Gainwell came into the game during the long TD drive in the 1st quarter, spelling Swift. He had a nice 20+ yard run to set up first-and-goal. He was also in the game at the end of both halves, running 2-minute drill.  I feel like that's his role in the offense. The Eagles are going to use a rotation throughout the game. I don't think they want to pound Swift the entire game. Gainwell is next up to get reps as the backup.

I wonder how many more mistakes Swift will make if he's getting all the carries.... The fumble at the end of the first-half is on Hurts. On a RPO he can't pull the ball out then try to put it back into his hands. It would have been the same result if Swift was in there.

16 hours ago, brkmsn said:

Scott had 4 snaps (including the kneeldown).

Swift had 4 snaps.

Gainwell had 5 snaps.

It's that simple.

So nine snaps went to a guy not named Swift. One touch for Swift. It is that simple.

17 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

In this quarter Swift had one carry. Scott got two I believe and Gainwell saw as many snaps if not more than Swift. The numbers are skewed though, because the Eagles barley had the football with two quick turnovers in drives plus a couple three and put punts. The Bills dominated the TOP, but the Eagles didn’t even try to give Swift the ball. Then they went into their two min offense with only Gainwell. This isn’t the only game they have done that either. The Eagles didnt even use Swift week one because they relied so heavily on Gainwell. Look if you don’t see that Swift is a weapon who should be utilized and not just ignored for an entire quarter I can’t help you. 

Agree.  Swift's "injury history" is largely exaggerated (see article below).  Gainwell is averaging 3.5 ypc and has fumbled twice (lost one) on 50 carries.  He's not an effective runner.  Yes, he makes an occasional play but he doesn't inspire confidence.

I'd much rather see Scott or Penny on the field than Gainwell.

https://insidetheiggles.com/posts/d-andre-swift-injury-history-mismanagement

14 minutes ago, psychodog said:

Agree.  Swift's "injury history" is largely exaggerated (see article below).  Gainwell is averaging 3.5 ypc and has fumbled twice (lost one) on 50 carries.  He's not an effective runner.  Yes, he makes an occasional play but he doesn't inspire confidence.

I'd much rather see Scott or Penny on the field than Gainwell.

https://insidetheiggles.com/posts/d-andre-swift-injury-history-mismanagement

I don’t particularly mind pacing out Swifts carries, but I don’t get how they basically shelve him for very long stretches. 

I think this is where the stats don't line up with the perception, but it's also situational.  In the heat of the game, fans see Swift (our best runner) make big plays then get taken out.  We've complained about this RB rotation for years, under 3 different head coaches.  

Ideally you have a primary back then mix in the others.  The Eagles do that, but in certain situations it feels like Swift should be in.  And Gainwell makes some good plays, but also when he's fumbled in big moments we wonder why Swift wasn't in there.

 

Pro Football Reference has a snap count chart that's helpful.

Swift 61%, Gainwell 35%, Scott almost 5%, Penny less than 2%.  Actual carries is a different stat, this is just snaps being on the field for comparison of the rotation.

Swift is currently 4th in the NFL in rushing yards despite not getting any carries in week 1.  Let's compare the snaps on the teams with the other top 10 RBs.  Teams in bold have about the same or less snap count % for their top runner.

• 40whiners: McCaffrey 80%, Mitchell 14%, Mason 6.5%, Davis-Prince 1%
• Dolphins: Mostert 60%, Ahmed 18%, Achane 14.5%, Wilson 8%, Brooks 4%
• Raiders:  Jacobs 77%, Abdullah 17%, White 6%
• Titans: Henry 56%, Spears 50%, Ward/Chestnut combine for about 2%
• Bills: Cook 53%, Murray 35%, Harris 7%, Johnson 4%
• Jags: Etienne 76%, Bigsby 15%, Johnson 11%
• Falcons: Robinson 66%, Allgeier 35%, Patterson 13%
• Giants: Barkley 60%, Breida 31%, Brightwell 5%
• Colts: Moss 50%, Taylor 34%, Jackson 7%, Sermon 5%

Again I think the issue is situational.  There are big moments we want to see Swift in there and they have Scott or Gainwell.

9 minutes ago, NOTW said:

Pro Football Reference has a snap count chart that's helpful.

Swift 61%, Gainwell 35%, Scott almost 5%, Penny less than 2%.  Actual carries is a different stat, this is just snaps being on the field for comparison of the rotation.

Swift is currently 4th in the NFL in rushing yards despite not getting any carries in week 1.  Let's compare the snaps on the teams with the other top 10 RBs.  Teams in bold have about the same or less snap count % for their top runner.

• 40whiners: McCaffrey 80%, Mitchell 14%, Mason 6.5%, Davis-Prince 1%
• Dolphins: Mostert 60%, Ahmed 18%, Achane 14.5%, Wilson 8%, Brooks 4%
• Raiders:  Jacobs 77%, Abdullah 17%, White 6%
• Titans: Henry 56%, Spears 50%, Ward/Chestnut combine for about 2%
• Bills: Cook 53%, Murray 35%, Harris 7%, Johnson 4%
• Jags: Etienne 76%, Bigsby 15%, Johnson 11%
• Falcons: Robinson 66%, Allgeier 35%, Patterson 13%
• Giants: Barkley 60%, Breida 31%, Brightwell 5%
• Colts: Moss 50%, Taylor 34%, Jackson 7%, Sermon 5%

Again I think the issue is situational.  There are big moments we want to see Swift in there and they have Scott or Gainwell.

For me I don’t have a problem with pacing out Swift’s carries. Frankly I don’t understand why Penny and Scott don’t get more opportunities. The issue I have is how they basically shelve Swift for nearly an entire quarter at times. I think this causes the offense to become disjointed at times. I’m not even trying to blame Gainwell for turnovers. Swift has had his share of turnovers this year too. This is just I don’t get why they basically shut him down for long stretches. Rotate him like they do the defensive lineman, but make sure he gets a fair share of touches every quarter. Frankly there should never be a quarter where Swift isn’t getting the most touches from all the backs. 

I think the eagles are screwing up the RB rotation......with the inconsistent use of Swift and Gainwell and the rare use of scott and the complete non use of Penny.

Not mention that they don't use Swift enough in the pass game.....

Scott should be getting all of Gainwell’s snaps. He’s way better. 

15 hours ago, kiwinavega said:

I might be imagining this, but wasn't it the second quarter last year where the Eagles were utterly blowing teams away? History sure does love cycles

2nd quarter was their quarter last year and most of the time people were complaining because they would basically shut things down in the 2nd half. Now they’re getting behind by double digits before the third even starts. 

15 hours ago, [TSM]_PimpDaddyPain said:

Yep I wasn't disagreeing, I've absolutely wanted them to get Swift more involved (including 2nd quarter).  I was just adding that offensive playcalling has been overall pretty bad throughout entire games(even when Swift is on the field), although typically the first half has been worse and then 2nd half adjustments are made after we've dug ourselves into a hole. 

Perhaps they have a total number of Swift touches in a game. Okay fine use him in all quarters and spread those touches out. Also get Scott and Penny more opportunities. Not only do they move away from Swift, they also move away from the run game so I agree that playcalling is absolutely an issue as well. I will give Johnson some credit, because he sure does make second half adjustments, but let’s get a gameplan together that gets us up at half time please. 

On 11/26/2023 at 9:16 PM, opa-opa said:

Didnt he have a great run to set up a TD?

Look i think everyone would want Swift to get the ball 30 times a game but so far their plan to keep him healthy and fresh when we need him in critical times has worked.

Its week 12 and Swift has not been injured or missed a game. Thats something.

This. Although, late November / Early december has been where his wheels fell off every year, we're not in the clear yet. 

11 hours ago, Road to Victory said:

Scott should be getting all of Gainwell’s snaps. He’s way better. 

Saving him for the 2 Giants games.

Last 5 games 61-14 in the second quarter the Eagles have been out scored. Whatever the reason the Eagles seem to change everything they’re trying to do in the second and if fails miserably. 

The coaches just set on him being a big part of the game plan. He’ll make some good plays here and there. 

On 12/4/2023 at 2:28 AM, EaglePhan1986 said:

The coaches just set on him being a big part of the game plan. He’ll make some good plays here and there. 

The Eagles abandoned the run and Swift in the second, and the offense struggled. They tried play action plays when they never tried to establish a run game. The 49ers threw a bunch of short passes and ran the ball down the Eagles throat. They wore the defense down, but our offense was basically run deep, and Jalen go bail out run if it’s not open. There isn’t an establishment of actual offensive sets. No short passes to get the quarterback in rhythm. The run game ignored allowing the 49ers to just tee off. It feels like the old Buddy Ryan offense basically just hoping Jalen makes a couple plays a half. Problem is this isn’t that defense Buddy had. Unfortunately they have won so many games doing things this way that they think it’s going to be fine. They better wake up, because this offense is sputtering when they need them the most and this defense isn’t good enough to hold back the best of the best for long.