It's amazing that she plagiarized on her dissertation and didn't get caught by someone on her committee. In both my preliminary and final defenses, my committee went through everything. It was like being interrogated by the gestapo. Amazing that Harvard doesn't have higher standards. 

52 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

That's an interesting combination

Or he's just a huge fan of Fing a-holes

1 hour ago, Gannan said:

Amazing that Harvard doesn't have higher standards

Yeah, they are arguably the institution in the US that should set the highest bar in the country for this topic.  The Boston Globe has rightly called them out for their lack of clarity.  It feels like Harvard is redefining the term but I suspect in reality they are only bending over and attempting some mental gymnastics to try to protect their President thus doubling down on the moral failure.

 

I'm surprised this is a story considering Biden’s documented proclivities. 

Harvard calls her work "duplicative language without appropriate attribution".  Isn't that the exact definition of "plagiarism"?

 

@Dave Moss Please summon your woke powers and do some woke splainin for us all here.

52 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

Harvard calls her work "duplicative language without appropriate attribution".  Isn't that the exact definition of "plagiarism"?

 

@Dave Moss Please summon your woke powers and do some woke splainin for us all here.

Graded on a diversity curve - like everything else at Harvard, I am thinking.

4 hours ago, DrPhilly said:

Harvard calls her work "duplicative language without appropriate attribution".  Isn't that the exact definition of "plagiarism"?

Yes. What a joke. I can't believe the alumni aren't furious. They've made a mockery of their degrees. 

5 hours ago, DrPhilly said:

Harvard calls her work "duplicative language without appropriate attribution".  Isn't that the exact definition of "plagiarism"?

 

@Dave Moss Please summon your woke powers and do some woke splainin for us all here.

intellectual appropriation

1 hour ago, Gannan said:

Yes. What a joke. I can't believe the alumni aren't furious. They've made a mockery of their degrees. 

With the Harvard elite position in mind, this situation seems to cast a negative light on all of the US university system. 

6 hours ago, DrPhilly said:

Harvard calls her work "duplicative language without appropriate attribution".  Isn't that the exact definition of "plagiarism"?

 

@Dave Moss Please summon your woke powers and do some woke splainin for us all here.

Plagiarism is when you use someone else’s words and don’t give them credit.  Which it sounds like she did. They should rescind her PhD

42 minutes ago, Arthur Jackson said:

intellectual appropriation

 

27 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

Plagiarism is when you use someone else’s words and don’t give them credit.  Which it sounds like she did. They should rescind her PhD

I’m going to assume you are being serious in this post in which case I applaud your stated position. 
 

What is normal procedure in this type of case? Could she simply correct the material and then resubmit?

24 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

I’m going to assume you are being serious in this post in which case I applaud your stated position. 
 

What is normal procedure in this type of case? Could she simply correct the material and then resubmit?

Nah.  It’s more like a game where a ref misses a call.  Everybody sees the highlight and agrees it’s bad, but it doesn’t change the outcome of the game.

8 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

Nah.  It’s more like a game where a ref misses a call.  Everybody sees the highlight and agrees it’s bad, but it doesn’t change the outcome of the game.

Ok, guess plagiarism isn’t a big deal these days. I’ll try to keep up. 

3 hours ago, DrPhilly said:

Ok, guess plagiarism isn’t a big deal these days. I’ll try to keep up. 

Remind us what it was like at William & Mary in the 1980s

14 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

Remind us what it was like at William & Mary in the 1980s

 

Here ya go, from the W&M honor code, founded in 1779 at W&M
 

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C. Cheating: including, but not limited to, the following acts:

1. Plagiarism: the presentation, with intent to deceive, or with disregard for proper scholarly procedures of a significant scope, of any information, ideas or phrasing of another as if they were one’s own without giving appropriate credit to the original source.

a. One commits plagiarism when one includes the words of another without quotation or when one includes the substantive work of another without properly crediting the source with footnotes, quotation marks, or other appropriate citation.
b. The panel can infer a student’s intent based on the extent and context of the improperly cited material and whether the student has provided false citation or has manipulated the original text such that a reasonable person would conclude the student did so in order to avoid detection.
c. The instructor can address disregard for proper scholarly procedure that is minimal in scope solely as an academic matter and can determine whether an academic penalty should be applied without pursuing resolution under the Honor Code. However, the instructor should treat any intentional acts of plagiarism or disregard for scholarly procedure of a significant scope as violations of the Honor Code and address them under either Sec. VIII or Sec. IX below.

 

She even plagiarized acknowledgments in her book. ACKNOWLEDGMENTS! Moss is trolling. He knows that these actions are inexcusable and disqualifying.

I fully understand the dilemma for Harvard as an institution and Gay as and individual but one would think that they should hold up a sound level of academic standard.  After all, it is pretty much the foundation of their very existence.  We aren't talking about Forsyth Tech.

1 minute ago, The_Omega said:

She even plagiarized acknowledgments in her book. ACKNOWLEDGMENTS! Moss is trolling. He knows that he actions are inexcusable and disqualifying.

 

2 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

 

6 hours ago, DrPhilly said:

With the Harvard elite position in mind, this situation seems to cast a negative light on all of the US university system. 

And rightfully so - academia has run amok.  Higher education has become de facto government financed massive business - and not just education business.  Back in the day, college wasn't for everybody, and a college degree was highly valued.

Today, college age kids should seriously consider trade school and training as an alternative.  You learn practical skills, will have an easier time finding work, and have a shot at more money.  We need a lot more tradesmen than we do history or humanities majors.

On 12/22/2023 at 10:18 AM, Gannan said:

It's amazing that she plagiarized on her dissertation and didn't get caught by someone on her committee. In both my preliminary and final defenses, my committee went through everything. It was like being interrogated by the gestapo. Amazing that Harvard doesn't have higher standards. 

They do just not for DEI hires. 

9 hours ago, Dave Moss said:

Plagiarism is when you use someone else’s words and don’t give them credit.  Which it sounds like she did. They should rescind her PhD

They should Dave but they won't. She has a hue of invulnerability about her.

 

Fareed calling it like it is.  This is yet another piece of CNN material that CNN doesn't have on its own social media channels.