3 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

Coaching matters. Desai was so bad the players lost confidence in him. Players like Carter suddenly forgot how to play football. You’re conveniently glossing over how poorly this front line is playing. Suddenly they all stink? There’s plenty of teams that lack talent who still go out there and try. This team isn’t coming close to trying anymore. They have given up. 

The D doesnt play in a vaccum. When they see the offense stinking it up and keep turning the ball over, maybe they just think, why the f do we bother?

4 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

Coaching matters. Desai was so bad the players lost confidence in him. Players like Carter suddenly forgot how to play football. You’re conveniently glossing over how poorly this front line is playing. Suddenly they all stink? There’s plenty of teams that lack talent who still go out there and try. This team isn’t coming close to trying anymore. They have given up. 

It isn’t suddenly. This defensive line all season has underperformed badly. Josh Sweat hasn’t has a sack in 8 games. That’s half a season. No other true DE aside from BG and age caught up to him. There is a massive lack of talent on this defense. You said so yourself. 

1 minute ago, EagleJoe8 said:

It isn’t suddenly. This defensive line all season has underperformed badly. Josh Sweat hasn’t has a sack in 8 games. That’s half a season. No other true DE aside from BG and age caught up to him. There is a massive lack of talent on this defense. You said so yourself. 

100% there is a lack of talent. It’s why I’m more angry about the offense. The defense lacks talent and I think has been badly coached and so now we are seeing a bad defense who have given up. That’s just a recipe for annihilation.

13 hours ago, Arsenal79 said:

It's clear at this point he did an admirable job of holding this talentless D together with duct tape, including pulling out several clutch stops to win big games.

After he was fired the wheels fell off.  This is now the worst Eagles D I've ever seen in my life.

Who is responsible for this fiasco?  Who was dumb enough to fire the DC in the middle of the season???

You would like to think the HC is given the autonomy to run the team and make those kinds of decisions but this does seem like something that came down from above.  

11 hours ago, EagleJoe8 said:

I feel like this is a great concern in many ways. Both Doug and Siri had very good OC hires initially, but both failed to replace them with decent replacements. I feel it's in part that both may not have had a strong connection to other coaches from their prior stops, and their pool is limited. Also, I tend to believe that coaches should have autonomy over their staffs. I don't like the idea of Howie or Lurie stepping in to force coaches hands, even if I do agree with their decisions to move on from some coaches. If the coach doesn't recognize the need for change, or have an answer, that's a problem. Further, if Lowie are the type to stick their noses in there, it could limit the quality of head coaches that would accept jobs here. We've been very fortunate that the last 2 coaches made Super Bowls in year 2, but I don't see that great fortune being sustainable.

I don't disagree with any of that but I do also wonder if, in addition to the bolded, how much arrogance plays a part.  In both cases you have/had an offensive-minded HC who just led their team to the Super Bowl.  Also in both cases, the OC was poached immediately afterward and decided to promote from within a completely inexperienced coach to serve as OC likely giving themselves far too much credit for how the offense operated and that it would continue to hum with anyone in that role (in a nut shell thinking they are much smarter than they really are).  Going to be an interesting offseason for sure to see what happens with the coordinators, do they both go (my gut says yes), and if so, is Sirianni allowed to make his own hires (does he need to run those decisions by his bosses first?).  Does he bring in seasoned coaches to run their respective units that have a wealth of experience doing so?  This miserable season can't end soon enough. 

2 minutes ago, time2rock said:

I don't disagree with any of that but I do also wonder if, in addition to the bolded, how much arrogance plays a part.  In both cases you have/had an offensive-minded HC who just led their team to the Super Bowl. 

I’m sure there’s arrogance with every coach in the league. I think that’s true of all most people who find themselves in an elite position. But I don’t think with Sirianni it is so much arrogance. I think it was with Doug but not with Sirianni. I just think he’s been exposed as not being a very creative offensive mind.

44 minutes ago, time2rock said:

I don't disagree with any of that but I do also wonder if, in addition to the bolded, how much arrogance plays a part.  In both cases you have/had an offensive-minded HC who just led their team to the Super Bowl.  Also in both cases, the OC was poached immediately afterward and decided to promote from within a completely inexperienced coach to serve as OC likely giving themselves far too much credit for how the offense operated and that it would continue to hum with anyone in that role (in a nut shell thinking they are much smarter than they really are).  Going to be an interesting offseason for sure to see what happens with the coordinators, do they both go (my gut says yes), and if so, is Sirianni allowed to make his own hires (does he need to run those decisions by his bosses first?).  Does he bring in seasoned coaches to run their respective units that have a wealth of experience doing so?  This miserable season can't end soon enough. 

It’s definitely a consideration. As much as I hate to defend Siri, the promotion of Johnson seemed like a natural choice. Hurts had a major improvement from 21-22 so it’s easy to see why he looked to be a natural up and comer. It clearly didn’t work out unfortunately. He just never got better. What’ll be interesting to see, is if Siri goes out to get an OC who is a bit older and with a built up reputation, or if he goes the inexperienced route again. 

7 minutes ago, EagleJoe8 said:

It’s definitely a consideration. As much as I hate to defend Siri, the promotion of Johnson seemed like a natural choice. Hurts had a major improvement from 21-22 so it’s easy to see why he looked to be a natural up and comer. It clearly didn’t work out unfortunately. He just never got better. What’ll be interesting to see, is if Siri goes out to get an OC who is a bit older and with a built up reputation, or if he goes the inexperienced route again. 

I also recognize that part of that decision could simply have been that the most of the top candidates were already taken (considering other teams were making their hires long before we were in a position to do so).  But still, those voices in my head say he thought, this is my offense and figured it would work with any Joe Shmoe serving as OC ... that he didn't need any help with scheming, play design, etc.  That obviously isn't the case ... defenses figured out how to defend against it (just like they did with Chip) and he has zero answers to counter, no creativity to come up with new wrinkles and tweak it to stay ahead.  That is where a seasoned offensive mind would be super helpful.  If he goes the inexperienced route again, I expect more of the same that we saw the past 2 months and strong gut feeling we end up 0.500 at best in 2024.

Demoting Desai and promoting Patricia was the obvious lynchpin of this team's demise. 

And it's all Sirianni's fault. The only way Sirianni can redeem himself is to fire that fat Fing piece of crap loser, Matt Patricia.

4 hours ago, RastaPasta said:

Demoting Desai and promoting Patricia was the obvious lynchpin of this team's demise. 

And it's all Sirianni's fault. The only way Sirianni can redeem himself is to fire that fat Fing piece of crap loser, Matt Patricia.

It's amazing how many people see the last four games as the continuation of poor defensive play rather than the beginning.  If SF and Dallas had been Desai's first two games rather than his last two, the narrative would have been entirely different.  It's the type of recency bias you expect from emotional fans and not NFL head coaches.

3 minutes ago, jmac+djaxallday said:

It's amazing how many people see the last four games as the continuation of poor defensive play rather than the beginning.  If SF and Dallas had been Desai's first two games rather than his last two, the narrative would have been entirely different.  It's the type of recency bias you expect from emotional fans and not NFL head coaches.

Would it? So the Buffalo game was ok? The way they let Dallas easily march down the field in the first game was fine? This defense has not really played well since the KC second half. It hasn’t played a full game since the Miami game.

3 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Would it? So the Buffalo game was ok? The way they let Dallas easily march down the field in the first game was fine? This defense has not really played well since the KC second half. It hasn’t played a full game since the Miami game.

The Buffalo game was fine.  People see the 34 points and 500+ yards allowed and assume the defense was horrible, but it was really the offense hanging them out to dry with a putrid performance in the first half that caused them to take on so much water.  Buffalo ended up with 13 possessions in that game, which is almost twice as many as the Cards had last week when they racked up 449 of offense.

SF and Dallas were bad games, but those were also two of the best three offenses in the league on extra rest going against an Eagles team at the end of a brutal stretch of games.  No matter your take on Desai, it was completely ridiculous to demote him at that point in time and probably cost Sirianni the locker-room.

The defense under Desai was not great by any means, but there is a world of difference between average and bad.  The defense over the last four weeks has been bad and that's before accounting for how much easier the schedule has gotten.

Desai was bad, Patricia is worse. Which shouldn’t be a surprise, we all saw BDN carve up his defense in the Super Bowl. Dude is an awful coach who only gained any ounce of recognition due to riding Brady/Belichik’s coattails.