https://www.nfl.com/news/ron-rivera-still-interested-in-coaching-enjoyed-return-to-defensive-play-calling-in-2023

Looks like a few teams reached out to Ron Rivera about coaching opportunities after he was let go by the Washington Commanders,  presumably defensive coordinator positions.

The Eagles should be one of the teams interested. Rivera is one of the remaining disciples of the Jim Johnson coaching tree and the aggressive style of defense that he brought to the table.

While the league is fascinated with Vic Fangio and the success stemming from his defensive philosophy, it's important not to forget how influential Johnson and his scheme is. 

A clear cut example is Steve Spagnuolo. While he didn't do well in his HC stint with the Rams, he was a part of 4 different Super Bowl winning teams as a DC (2007 Giants, 2011 Giants, 2019 Chiefs, 2022 Chiefs)

3 hours ago, eaglesfan0075 said:

https://www.nfl.com/news/ron-rivera-still-interested-in-coaching-enjoyed-return-to-defensive-play-calling-in-2023

Looks like a few teams reached out to Ron Rivera about coaching opportunities after he was let go by the Washington Commanders,  presumably defensive coordinator positions.

The Eagles should be one of the teams interested. Rivera is one of the remaining disciples of the Jim Johnson coaching tree and the aggressive style of defense that he brought to the table.

While the league is fascinated with Vic Fangio and the success stemming from his defensive philosophy, it's important not to forget how influential Johnson and his scheme is. 

A clear cut example is Steve Spagnuolo. While he didn't do well in his HC stint with the Rams, he was a part of 4 different Super Bowl winning teams as a DC (2007 Giants, 2011 Giants, 2019 Chiefs, 2022 Chiefs)

So in my opinion, this would be an extremely underrated move because it combines a lot of things that would definitely help bridge the organization together.

• First of all, Rivera isn't getting another Head Coaching job anytime soon most likely.
• Second of all, he was relatively successful with Cam Newton, which was in a lot of ways the original footprint of trying to make the hybrid passers (Cam's MVP season).
• Third of all, he's has so much NFL experience and an insane amount of connections even to offensive people, which would likely help to get people on staff to avoid what happened this year, ever again. He even has connections to WCO people, which is great.
• Fourth of all, him originally being from the JJ/Reid setting means that there's a stability factor with a Roseman/Lurie group that still overly depend on that side of things, so it'll give them easy options there.

So on top of him being able to handle the job, I feel it does a lot of other important things that would significantly improve the organizational stability, not to mention give Nick a long time successful Head Coach in the building to delegate to, pick the brain of, or other similar important things for developing young coaches. I'd say that overall, this would be a very good move.

15 hours ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

So in my opinion, this would be an extremely underrated move because it combines a lot of things that would definitely help bridge the organization together.

• First of all, Rivera isn't getting another Head Coaching job anytime soon most likely.
• Second of all, he was relatively successful with Cam Newton, which was in a lot of ways the original footprint of trying to make the hybrid passers (Cam's MVP season).
• Third of all, he's has so much NFL experience and an insane amount of connections even to offensive people, which would likely help to get people on staff to avoid what happened this year, ever again. He even has connections to WCO people, which is great.
• Fourth of all, him originally being from the JJ/Reid setting means that there's a stability factor with a Roseman/Lurie group that still overly depend on that side of things, so it'll give them easy options there.

So on top of him being able to handle the job, I feel it does a lot of other important things that would significantly improve the organizational stability, not to mention give Nick a long time successful Head Coach in the building to delegate to, pick the brain of, or other similar important things for developing young coaches. I'd say that overall, this would be a very good move.

Yes

After reading this and reading some things I have to admit that Ron might not be a terrible choice, there are others that I prefer but 

if it goes well, they will be gone and we are back to step ! again. 

20 minutes ago, Breeze 44 said:

After reading this and reading some things I have to admit that Ron might not be a terrible choice, there are others that I prefer but 

if it goes well, they will be gone and we are back to step ! again. 

Why does everyone keep saying this. I swear, it's repeated like everywhere and it really just goes to show how many people see crap and parrot it.

I've said it in tons of threads. League is about trends. Right now the trend is to hire young. So just go against the trend. This is actually in the organization's favor because you want more experience in the organization anyway. Jim Schwartz stayed with the Eagles the entire of Doug's tenure, even when he won the Super Bowl. Why?

Because the league had determined that Schwartz was a good coordinator but not necessarily a good head coach in the NFL. There are several like that, and as the trend due to McVay is to hire young, hire young, because everyone's trying to get a McVay or Shanahan, that's going to be more and more true in the future.

And if it the 'losing them' thing WAS true (it's not) ask yourself then, why are Baltimore and Pittsburg top 4 in win percentage since 2000, when the majority of the time they've been headed by guys that SHOULD be vulnerable to the same problem?

And last but not least, if you're not aware, a team losing both coordinators after the SB to NFL head coaching jobs is exceptionally rare. And when I say rare:

I mean rare. So please, for the sake of logic (and my sanity) don't repeat that thing you've heard so much. Lol.

12 hours ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

Why does everyone keep saying this. I swear, it's repeated like everywhere and it really just goes to show how many people see crap and parrot it.

I've said it in tons of threads. League is about trends. Right now the trend is to hire young. So just go against the trend. This is actually in the organization's favor because you want more experience in the organization anyway. Jim Schwartz stayed with the Eagles the entire of Doug's tenure, even when he won the Super Bowl. Why?

Because the league had determined that Schwartz was a good coordinator but not necessarily a good head coach in the NFL. There are several like that, and as the trend due to McVay is to hire young, hire young, because everyone's trying to get a McVay or Shanahan, that's going to be more and more true in the future.

And if it the 'losing them' thing WAS true (it's not) ask yourself then, why are Baltimore and Pittsburg top 4 in win percentage since 2000, when the majority of the time they've been headed by guys that SHOULD be vulnerable to the same problem?

And last but not least, if you're not aware, a team losing both coordinators after the SB to NFL head coaching jobs is exceptionally rare. And when I say rare:

I mean rare. So please, for the sake of logic (and my sanity) don't repeat that thing you've heard so much. Lol.

If you look at the recent history of this team, both the 2017-18 and 2022-23 SB teams experienced a loss of at least one coordinator, so I would say the fear of losing a young up and coming coach is certainly justified.

I do agree that losing both coordinators is not very common, but do we really need to even risk being in this season's situation again?

Sirianni isn't a strong X and Os type of guy and isn't particularly known for being a playcaller from his prior OC stint with the Colts. He's the type of coach that oversees the culture of the team. Several posters have called it "cheerleading", but I would say there is some value in this skill, if done correctly.

We need good veteran coordinators on both sides of the ball.

55 minutes ago, eaglesfan0075 said:

If you look at the recent history of this team, both the 2017-18 and 2022-23 SB teams experienced a loss of at least one coordinator, so I would say the fear of losing a young up and coming coach is certainly justified.

I do agree that losing both coordinators is not very common, but do we really need to even risk being in this season's situation again?

Sirianni isn't a strong X and Os type of guy and isn't particularly known for being a playcaller from his prior OC stint with the Colts. He's the type of coach that oversees the culture of the team. Several posters have called it "cheerleading", but I would say there is some value in this skill, if done correctly.

We need good veteran coordinators on both sides of the ball.

2017-2018 is actually a great example. We beat the vaunted Patriots and ONLY lost Reich because McDaniels backed out last second. If you recall, McDaniels was their top choice. So put differently, we would have kept BOTH coordinators because they were older guys.

We got super unlucky, but it took a situation that almost never happens to get one of our coordinators plucked after that SB.

But yes, my point is you want to hire veterans - not even just to help Nick, but because they're less likely to be hired away. And equally importantly, long term stability in those positions is how you keep things upright for Super Bowl runs, barring generational Head Coaches. (Which don't grow on trees)

13 hours ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

2017-2018 is actually a great example. We beat the vaunted Patriots and ONLY lost Reich because McDaniels backed out last second. If you recall, McDaniels was their top choice. So put differently, we would have kept BOTH coordinators because they were older guys.

We got super unlucky, but it took a situation that almost never happens to get one of our coordinators plucked after that SB.

But yes, my point is you want to hire veterans - not even just to help Nick, but because they're less likely to be hired away. And equally importantly, long term stability in those positions is how you keep things upright for Super Bowl runs, barring generational Head Coaches. (Which don't grow on trees)

Yes, I do recall that McDaniels was announced as the hire initially and the Colts pivoted to Reich when he backed out. Then again, the Eagles were in the Super Bowl, so it's not like they could have gone in assuming that none of their guys would be poached by other teams in this copy-cat league. We just got unlucky (twice!)

I feel that we both are on the same page in terms of preferring a veteran coach and Rivera checks a lot of the boxes and could make our OC search easier as you mentioned. 

I hadn't even thought of RR but I think he could be the guy. 

He is going to interview for the position 

He does value LB