1 minute ago, judunno said:

The way I see it Reddick is a casualty from extending Bradberry and Slay. Not only did they take money that could have potentially went to Reddick they soured the taste for extending older guys.

Exactly right. Bradberry is a great example of an over 30 player who fell off the cliff but is impossible to cut or trade this season because of his contract. 

I think the 2024 roster is weaker without Reddick, but given his age and mileage, giving him the big contract he wants doesn't make sense. The Eagles need to keep getting younger. Guys who age like Fletcher Cox are rare.  

1 minute ago, Hawkeye said:

Exactly right. Bradberry is a great example of an over 30 player who fell off the cliff but is impossible to cut or trade this season because of his contract. 

I think the 2024 roster is weaker without Reddick, but given his age and mileage, giving him the big contract he wants doesn't make sense. The Eagles need to keep getting younger. Guys who age like Fletcher Cox are rare.  

True. But the dominant version of Cox left the Eagles quite a long time ago. Basically once over 30 these guys deteriorate. And not sure this year they are weaker. The line sucked last year. As did the coaching. Think they are even at least.

1 minute ago, jojodancer said:

I think the real casualty is Reddick thinks he deserves close to Bosa (Top tier money) or Parson projection of future contract. Every GM clearly believes he isn't worth that. At least up to now. And draft compensation was quite reasonable for him. He was essentially a free agent this offseason and got traded for a 3rd and was not extended. Tells you all you need to know.

Wherever there was middle ground neither side got to it. We can only speculate on what Hassan's camp was asking for. What I do know is Bradberry and Slay got a nice chunk of change and that's screwing the books. I don't quite mind Slay because when he's on the field he's not a totally liability but he's getting older and we could see a drop off at any time. Howie was reaching because he didn't get anything done with CJGJ and screwed up. Cost them a quality edge rusher which really goes way against their typical philosophy. When is the last time we saw the Eagles dump a double digit sack guy who's been killing it for the last 4 years like this.

57 minutes ago, judunno said:

Wherever there was middle ground neither side got to it. We can only speculate on what Hassan's camp was asking for. What I do know is Bradberry and Slay got a nice chunk of change and that's screwing the books. I don't quite mind Slay because when he's on the field he's not a totally liability but he's getting older and we could see a drop off at any time. Howie was reaching because he didn't get anything done with CJGJ and screwed up. Cost them a quality edge rusher which really goes way against their typical philosophy. When is the last time we saw the Eagles dump a double digit sack guy who's been killing it for the last 4 years like this.

3 factors with Reddick going forward

 Age. Money. Inside the locker room wild card. Howie don't want any malcontents with contract issues lingering. Pretty clear. Remember TO? Not saying he's TO or anything. But he cut bait here sensing a locker room distraction could be coming. Reddick said all the right things to media. But I think he got a bug in his ear after year 1 that he is severely underpaid.  Even with significant slippage last year, individually and teamwise. And just could not get that idea out of his head. The league is humbly telling him right now (by lack of much draft compensation returned to Eagles and extension offers he had while shopping himself with his agent) that he's not that franchise player he thinks he is. 

12 minutes ago, jojodancer said:

3 factors with Reddick going forward

 Age. Money. Inside the locker room wild card. Howie don't want any malcontents with contract issues lingering. Pretty clear. Remember TO? Not saying he's TO or anything. But he cut bait here sensing a locker room distraction could be coming. Reddick said all the right things to media. But I think he got a bug in his ear after year 1 that he is severely underpaid.  Even with significant slippage last year, individually and teamwise. And just could not get that idea out of his head. The league is humbly telling him right now (by lack of much draft compensation returned to Eagles and extension offers he had while shopping himself with his agent) that he's not that franchise player he thinks he is. 

TO was the extreme and not under Howie's watch. This is unprecedented for him to move a premiere pass rusher while still under contract. I can't think of an instance like this. Closest I can think of who was in this position was Hargrave but he played out the final year of his 3 year deal. I do agree there has to be more going on behind the scenes that we didn't know about.

27 minutes ago, judunno said:

TO was the extreme and not under Howie's watch. This is unprecedented for him to move a premiere pass rusher while still under contract. I can't think of an instance like this. Closest I can think of who was in this position was Hargrave but he played out the final year of his 3 year deal. I do agree there has to be more going on behind the scenes that we didn't know about.

I think Howie tried to do a restructure maybe with more guarantees as he did with Sweat. But Reddick being in early part of free agency with his agent shopping him around, figured he would land an extension. It could be, when is all said and done, he regrets being so defiant. That's my guess. And Howie wasn't waiting around. So he pushed the buttons that he did. Reddick is the one who painted Howie in a corner for 2024. Not vice versa.

10 hours ago, time2rock said:

Where was that leadership when they went 1-6 to close out the season?  

They were looking for their coach for answers. I’m sure he’s figured it out now though.

3 hours ago, jojodancer said:

I think the real casualty is Reddick thinks he deserves close to Bosa (Top tier money) or Parson projection of future contract. Every GM clearly believes he isn't worth that. At least up to now. And draft compensation was quite reasonable for him. He was essentially a free agent this offseason and got traded for a likely mid 3rd rounder and was not extended. Tells you all you need to know.

We don't know because there's never been a number discussed, and this extension from the Jets where is it?    Maybe Howie didn't offer Reddick anything, and they want you to believe he wanted a fortune, just like last season when the rumor was Edwards wanted to go home, lol, yea that made sense, leave a team just at the SB for a trash Chicago team because it's close to home.  Then as we found out, they didn't offer Edwards a nickel.

On 3/31/2024 at 12:19 AM, judunno said:

Eagles are a pretenders until they prove they aren't after last year's collapse 

I agree but they're better than the jets and its not even close. 

5 minutes ago, EmeraldArcher7154 said:

I agree but they're better than the jets and its not even close. 

maybe

The compensation was very poor. There’s practically zero chance this becomes a 2nd round pick. The Jets rotate their pass rushers. Not one of them had more than 65% of the snaps. They need Reddick to get to 67.5% of the snaps. 
 
They probably could’ve gotten a 3rd round comp pick if they let him walk via free agency. Jets basically gave up nothing.
 

 

1 minute ago, Road to Victory said:

The compensation was very poor. There’s practically zero chance this becomes a 2nd round pick. The Jets rotate their pass rushers. Not one of them had more than 65% of the snaps. They need Reddick to get to 67.5% of the snaps. 
 
They probably could’ve gotten a 3rd comp pick if they let him walk via free agency. Jets basically gave up nothing.
 

 

The comp pick thing only works if the Eagles don't plan on making any FA signings themselves. Also a regular team 3rd round pick will be before a 3rd rd comp pick. A team will only get a 3rd if the player signs a big enough contract. A lot can happen between now and next year's free agency period that can affect the amount of a contract. There are other factors that affect comp picks and value. You simply can't just count on getting a comp pick. 

While it seems like it's reasonable to not expect Reddick to hit the benchmark for a 2nd, it is possible. He hasn't missed many games in his career and has played through some injuries. If his contract isn't extended anytime soon, he'll be playing for that next one. If he's having a DPoY type season, it would be crazy to keep him off the field just to prevent a pick swap. 

The truth is we gave up nothing to get Huff and his departure forced the Jets to give us something so they could replace him with Reddick. 

Heck, it wouldn't surprise me to see us get not only the pick from the trade, but actually get Reddick back as a FA in 2026. 

I understand it's a business, the age factor and all that. I liked Reddick. I don't like the compensation in return. I hope it works out. 

1 hour ago, brkmsn said:

The comp pick thing only works if the Eagles don't plan on making any FA signings themselves. Also a regular team 3rd round pick will be before a 3rd rd comp pick. A team will only get a 3rd if the player signs a big enough contract. A lot can happen between now and next year's free agency period that can affect the amount of a contract. There are other factors that affect comp picks and value. You simply can't just count on getting a comp pick. 

While it seems like it's reasonable to not expect Reddick to hit the benchmark for a 2nd, it is possible. He hasn't missed many games in his career and has played through some injuries. If his contract isn't extended anytime soon, he'll be playing for that next one. If he's having a DPoY type season, it would be crazy to keep him off the field just to prevent a pick swap. 

The truth is we gave up nothing to get Huff and his departure forced the Jets to give us something so they could replace him with Reddick. 

Heck, it wouldn't surprise me to see us get not only the pick from the trade, but actually get Reddick back as a FA in 2026. 

I understand how comp picks work. 

58 minutes ago, NOTW said:

I understand it's a business, the age factor and all that. I liked Reddick. I don't like the compensation in return. I hope it works out. 

Huff and Reddick have swapped teams and we will find out a lot more on who was the better player. Reddick in his tenure as an Eagles sure did get a lot of big quarterback sacks though.

4 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

Huff and Reddick have swapped teams and we will find out a lot more on who was the better player. Reddick in his tenure as an Eagles sure did get a lot of big quarterback sacks though.

I mean will we find out who was the better player? I think we already know that. We know that the better player is Reddick. But there’s a situation here where this actually just works out for both teams.

2 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I mean will we find out who was the better player? I think we already know that. We know that the better player is Reddick. But there’s a situation here where this actually just works out for both teams.

I am guessing they are banking on who will be the better player over the span of the next 3 years (in total), thinking Huff is entering his prime and Reddick is likely to start declining soon.  Maybe they saw him with only 2.5 sacks the final half of the season and thought the decline has already started.  I'm not saying I believe that was the case (the entire defense was a flustercluck) but just taking a stab at what the FO might be thinking.  

should've let him play out his final year here. 

2 hours ago, time2rock said:

I am guessing they are banking on who will be the better player over the span of the next 3 years (in total), thinking Huff is entering his prime and Reddick is likely to start declining soon.  Maybe they saw him with only 2.5 sacks the final half of the season and thought the decline has already started.  I'm not saying I believe that was the case (the entire defense was a flustercluck) but just taking a stab at what the FO might be thinking.  

It may not be as simple as a 1:1 comparison of who is better (for Howie). He's looking at the team overall, the money allocated, the age of the players. He's banking on Huff and Nolan Smith's potential to improve vs Reddick's potential to decline.  If Reddick has more sacks than Huff next year it may not be a "see Reddick is better" situation only on stats, there's the money and the cap allocated to other positions, and as you said over the next few years what will happen.

I still liked Reddick and wish he could have stayed. A lot of roster changes already, new coach, not sure how this will all work out.

6 hours ago, MF POON said:

should've let him play out his final year here. 

That's not what well run organizations do.

38 minutes ago, Vee said:

That's not what well run organizations do.

well we let cox / kelce / graham etc play their final year here. 

5 hours ago, NOTW said:

It may not be as simple as a 1:1 comparison of who is better (for Howie). He's looking at the team overall, the money allocated, the age of the players. He's banking on Huff and Nolan Smith's potential to improve vs Reddick's potential to decline.  If Reddick has more sacks than Huff next year it may not be a "see Reddick is better" situation only on stats, there's the money and the cap allocated to other positions, and as you said over the next few years what will happen.

I still liked Reddick and wish he could have stayed. A lot of roster changes already, new coach, not sure how this will all work out.

I'm positive the money played a part in this too.  Huff signed for AAV $17M/year.  Reddick was looking for north of $20M (rumor has it).  And they did just invest a 1st rd pick on a player who most thought would be Reddick's eventual replacement.  I like Reddick a lot but I am glad to see Howie not continuing the trend of throwing big $ on older players like he did most recently with Slay and Bradberry.  Some wanted to see him play out his final year here but not sure what that would have accomplished ... I don't see us competing for a championship in 2024 due to all the changes ... I think this is going to be more of a transition year as the players get comfortable in the new schemes and developing chemistry playing with all the new faces being thrown into the mix.  

21 minutes ago, time2rock said:

I'm positive the money played a part in this too.  Huff signed for AAV $17M/year.  Reddick was looking for north of $20M (rumor has it).  And they did just invest a 1st rd pick on a player who most thought would be Reddick's eventual replacement.  I like Reddick a lot but I am glad to see Howie not continuing the trend of throwing big $ on older players like he did most recently with Slay and Bradberry.  Some wanted to see him play out his final year here but not sure what that would have accomplished ... I don't see us competing for a championship in 2024 due to all the changes ... I think this is going to be more of a transition year as the players get comfortable in the new schemes and developing chemistry playing with all the new faces being thrown into the mix.  

The bolded: agree with this as the key reason.

Again I liked Reddick, but I completely understand the business side of things. I do think the team still has a window, especially because the majority of the offensive roster is returning. I think they should be competitive and make the playoffs, but there are a LOT of changes with coaches and players so far, and then there's the draft and ongoing roster changes through preseason. You are probably right that it will take this year to sort through all this. I feel like they overreacted with too many roster changes, but at the same time I get it. They did hire 2 experienced coordinators and position coaches with strong experience (including some with prior experience as coordinators). Which is what they should have done when Steichen and Gannon left but here we are. 

2 hours ago, NOTW said:

The bolded: agree with this as the key reason.

Again I liked Reddick, but I completely understand the business side of things. I do think the team still has a window, especially because the majority of the offensive roster is returning. I think they should be competitive and make the playoffs, but there are a LOT of changes with coaches and players so far, and then there's the draft and ongoing roster changes through preseason. You are probably right that it will take this year to sort through all this. I feel like they overreacted with too many roster changes, but at the same time I get it. They did hire 2 experienced coordinators and position coaches with strong experience (including some with prior experience as coordinators). Which is what they should have done when Steichen and Gannon left but here we are. 

I'd also like to add that Reddick has been professional and classy about the whole thing. When CJGJ left last year, he seemed to burn a few bridges on the way out. That made it easier for us to move on. Reddick continues to be likeable. 

On 4/2/2024 at 5:09 AM, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I mean will we find out who was the better player? I think we already know that. We know that the better player is Reddick. But there’s a situation here where this actually just works out for both teams.

This is a situation where the Eagles didn’t really have to make this move. The Jets go a steal. The Eagles gave a lot of money to a player who was a part time player in Huff and gave the Jets the better player for basically a throwaway pick. Sometimes I feel like Howie overthinks a situation. This feels like one of those times.