2 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

This is a situation where the Eagles didn’t really have to make this move. The Jets go a steal. The Eagles gave a lot of money to a player who was a part time player in Huff and gave the Jets the better player for basically a throwaway pick. Sometimes I feel like Howie overthinks a situation. This feels like one of those times. 

No, they didn't have to make this move.  It certainly wasn't for a decent haul relating to draft pick compensation (assuming they get the 2026 3rd ... if he played out the final season here and walked as a free agent he likely would have signed a lucrative deal elsewhere giving us a decent comp pick ... further assuming he has a good year).  The comp pick obviously wouldn't be as good as the 3rd and if the Jets stink in 2025 that could be a fairly high 3rd.  This seems more likely that he was either not going to be happy playing in the final year of his contract (feeling he is underpaid) or was not going to be happy in his role (and also a way for them to get $14.5M in cap relief).  

Sometimes things just don't work out like we hope. Maybe a young pass rusher will be added in the draft.

2 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

This is a situation where the Eagles didn’t really have to make this move. The Jets go a steal. The Eagles gave a lot of money to a player who was a part time player in Huff and gave the Jets the better player for basically a throwaway pick. Sometimes I feel like Howie overthinks a situation. This feels like one of those times. 

I definitely think a lot of this stems from his reaction to over correct on paying older players and trying to get younger. The big thing left to find out is whether Reddick gets a new deal with NY and if so what that deal is.

16 hours ago, RunItBAck said:

well we let cox / kelce / graham etc play their final year here. 

Kelce is a terrible example.  He was still at the top 10% of his position, and the leader of the offensive line.  If you want to draw that connection to Reddick, then we have nothing more to discuss.

Perhaps Cox and Graham weren't getting interest in the trade market.  Remember, it takes two to trade.

The better run franchises know exactly when to dump an aging player.  McNabb is a perfect, albeit dated example.  Clearly he's someone you would have wanted to end their career in Philly?

2 hours ago, time2rock said:

If Dan Sileo is a guy who is known to have sources... this would carry more weight.   Until it is confirmed by someone who actually DOES have sources within the organization... I will consider this just a fabrication and click bait.

On 4/3/2024 at 5:58 AM, time2rock said:

No, they didn't have to make this move.  It certainly wasn't for a decent haul relating to draft pick compensation (assuming they get the 2026 3rd ... if he played out the final season here and walked as a free agent he likely would have signed a lucrative deal elsewhere giving us a decent comp pick ... further assuming he has a good year).  The comp pick obviously wouldn't be as good as the 3rd and if the Jets stink in 2025 that could be a fairly high 3rd.  This seems more likely that he was either not going to be happy playing in the final year of his contract (feeling he is underpaid) or was not going to be happy in his role (and also a way for them to get $14.5M in cap relief).  

This is the answer. They weren't going to pay him so they just couldn't keep him for all the reasons T2R points out. 

And as far as the compensation goes, the Bills just traded Stefon Diggs for a 2nd, which makes a conditional 3rd/2nd for Reddick look even better. These trades happen in a market and those deals reflect the state of the trade market right now. 

Edit: Typo

50 minutes ago, Hawkeye said:

This is the answer. They weren't going to pay him so they just couldn't him for all the reasons T2R points out. 

And as far as the compensation goes, the Bills just traded Stefon Diggs for a 2nd, which makes a conditional 3rd/2nd for Reddick look even better. These trades happen in a market and those deals reflect the state of the trade market right now. 

That would be a 2025 2nd, just like when the Eagles will get their draft pick for Reddick.

7 hours ago, Vee said:

Kelce is a terrible example.  He was still at the top 10% of his position, and the leader of the offensive line.  If you want to draw that connection to Reddick, then we have nothing more to discuss.

Perhaps Cox and Graham weren't getting interest in the trade market.  Remember, it takes two to trade.

The better run franchises know exactly when to dump an aging player.  McNabb is a perfect, albeit dated example.  Clearly he's someone you would have wanted to end their career in Philly?

Never came to philly is a better way to phrase my opinion of  McNaab

Sorry if this has already been answered, I couldn't find it. Does anyone know if the conditions for the pick to become a 2nd rounder count both in 2024 and 2025? Is it only 2024? Or is it any of the two seasons?

1 hour ago, beto_eagles said:

Sorry if this has already been answered, I couldn't find it. Does anyone know if the conditions for the pick to become a 2nd rounder count both in 2024 and 2025? Is it only 2024? Or is it any of the two seasons?

He's only under contract for 2024... so just 2024.

4 hours ago, Vee said:

That would be a 2025 2nd, just like when the Eagles will get their draft pick for Reddick.

The Reddick pick is 2026.

4 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

The Reddick pick is 2026.

I need a Krusty the Clown meme here....

11 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

If Dan Sileo is a guy who is known to have sources... this would carry more weight.   Until it is confirmed by someone who actually DOES have sources within the organization... I will consider this just a fabrication and click bait.

Sileo is long time friends with Clint Hurt, our new defensive line coach.  There could be some weight to this report.  

16 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I definitely think a lot of this stems from his reaction to over correct on paying older players and trying to get younger. The big thing left to find out is whether Reddick gets a new deal with NY and if so what that deal is.

I doubt it will be as much as he has supposedly asked for. There must be more to this than money. 

17 hours ago, time2rock said:

No, they didn't have to make this move.  It certainly wasn't for a decent haul relating to draft pick compensation (assuming they get the 2026 3rd ... if he played out the final season here and walked as a free agent he likely would have signed a lucrative deal elsewhere giving us a decent comp pick ... further assuming he has a good year).  The comp pick obviously wouldn't be as good as the 3rd and if the Jets stink in 2025 that could be a fairly high 3rd.  This seems more likely that he was either not going to be happy playing in the final year of his contract (feeling he is underpaid) or was not going to be happy in his role (and also a way for them to get $14.5M in cap relief).  

Are they trying to win a championship or are the worried about comp vs future picks? Really a 2026 third or second doesn’t really help the team until about 2029 anyway so why bother worrying about that at all? Also if they’re that concerned with losing him for nothing they could have franchised him and then moved him for some kind of conditional pick later. I just don’t see the rush or need to make this move. Now Huff and Smith better be ready to deliver. 

3 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

I doubt it will be as much as he has supposedly asked for. There must be more to this than money. 

And that’s the thing right… I doubt it’ll be as much as he asked for and so you do wonder why we didn’t keep him? Which leads to your second point that there must be more to it.

I think the reason why the compensation is a 2026 pick is solely b/c of Aaron Rodgers. If he stays healthy the Jets should be pretty good. Maybe Howie is banking on him not lasting until 26 then if they don't have someone better than Zach Wilson they could suck again thus netting a higher pick. 

Also for those talking about age, I hope those of you saying that Hassan is too old don't want Justin Simmons here considering Simmons is like 9 months older. Just saying 

6 hours ago, mr_irie1 said:

I think the reason why the compensation is a 2026 pick is solely b/c of Aaron Rodgers. If he stays healthy the Jets should be pretty good. Maybe Howie is banking on him not lasting until 26 then if they don't have someone better than Zach Wilson they could suck again thus netting a higher pick. 

Also for those talking about age, I hope those of you saying that Hassan is too old don't want Justin Simmons here considering Simmons is like 9 months older. Just saying 

Best case scenario is Reddick hits the conditions to qualify for the 2nd and they do suck in 2025 making it a high 2nd.  

Haason Reddick trade leaves lingering questions for Eagles

PHILADELPHIA -- The lasting image of Haason Reddick in an Eagles uniform will be of him flying off the edge and laying a blindside hit on San Francisco 49ers quarterback Brock Purdy midway through the first quarter of the 2023 NFC Championship Game -- a play that knocked the quarterback out of the game and essentially punched the Eagles' ticket to Super Bowl LVII.

With a takedown of backup Josh Johnson on the next series, he upped his sack total on the year to a staggering 19.5.

Reddick, a Temple alum from Camden, N.J., followed that up with an 11-sack performance this past season. He is one of two players to record double-digit sacks in each of the past four seasons along with reigning Defensive Player of the Year Myles Garrett.

Given that production, the decision to trade Reddick to the New York Jets last week for a conditional 2026 third-round pick instead of negotiating a new contract with Reddick has largely been met with confusion in Philly -- a sentiment that extends to Reddick's inner circle.

"I really can't wrap my head around it. I'm baffled like everyone else," his father, Raymond Matthew, told ESPN. "He outperformed his contract. ... He just wanted market value. He just wanted the numbers that made sense, which he didn't get.

"It was a thing where I guess [general manager] Howie Roseman felt that it was better to go that way. It felt awkward. It did."

That awkwardness was first felt last offseason, when Reddick hinted that he believed he had outpaced the three-year, $45 million free agent deal he had signed in March 2022. His average of $15 million per season currently ranks 22nd among edge rushers, per Spotrac.

A new deal never materialized. At the conclusion of this past season, the Eagles gave Reddick and his agent permission to seek a trade.

The team brass had been largely mum on the situation in recent weeks. CEO Jeffrey Lurie declined to get into it at the league meetings in late March, only offering that the situation would "play itself out in a very good way."

But did it?

There is serious risk in parting ways with Reddick, who is tied for the fourth-most sacks (27) since 2022 and is third in pass-rush wins over that time (138) behind only Micah Parsons and Garrett. With defensive tackle Fletcher Cox retiring earlier this offseason, the Eagles have now lost arguably their two best players on defense. That makes new defensive coordinator Vic Fangio's job of turning the unit around all the more challenging. Add in the retirement of center Jason Kelce and coach Nick Sirianni has been stripped of three team pillars as he enters a prove-it year.

The edge-rushing responsibilities are expected to fall mainly to Josh Sweat, second-year player Nolan Smith, 36-year-old Brandon Graham, and former Jet Bryce Huff. Huff was signed to a three-year, $51.1 million deal in free agency, effectively closing the door on Reddick's return.

"Elite pass-rusher. Closes games. People want to say that all he does is rush the passer, but all Mariano Rivera did was close ninth innings," Jets coach Robert Saleh said of Huff. "So he's a pretty darn good pass-rusher, and he's going to be great for Philadelphia."

Lurie's organizational philosophy could be a good prism through which to view the Reddick decision.

"I expect us to always be a championship-caliber team that looks to the midrange and the future at the same time," Lurie said at league meetings last week.

Reddick will turn 30 in September. Instead of investing around $25 million per season in Reddick, they opted to pay the younger Huff, who turns 26 later this month, an average of $17 million per year. Huff had a breakout season in 2023 with 10 sacks, and the Eagles believe they're getting him on the uptick.

"I know how good of a pass-rusher he is. Obviously, that's what got him paid the amount of money he got paid," Sirianni said. "We're really excited to add him to our roster knowing how much he can provide help for us to get after the passer."

At the scouting combine in February, Roseman stressed the importance of developing younger players -- something that becomes all the more imperative once your quarterback receives a large contract, as Jalen Hurts has.

"I think that's something that Coach and I have talked about to not be afraid of," Roseman said of playing younger guys. "That's why you draft them. That's why you sign them."

Smith, the former first-round pick out of Georgia, is exactly the type of player Roseman is referencing. He had a quiet rookie season (188 snaps, 1 sack) but will be given the opportunity to carve out a much larger role in Reddick's absence.

Still, the Eagles are going from a sure thing in Reddick to upside swings on Huff and Nolan, who have seven starts between them and played a combined 668 snaps last season compared to Reddick's 862.

"I believe I have a lot left in the tank. If I didn't, I wouldn't be here," Reddick said at his Jets introductory news conference. "As far as the Eagles go, it wasn't about what he has left in the tank or anything like that. It's a business and sometimes hard decisions have got to be made, even if you don't like them."

Matthew admitted last season was frustrating for Reddick, who didn't always feel heard by a defensive coaching staff that struggled to come up with the right answers.

Reddick was asked to drop in coverage more than usual once Matt Patricia took over as the defensive playcaller late in the season. In the Jets' system, he'll likely be spending more time getting after the quarterback.

"The attack style, I'm all for it. I'm all about constantly putting QBs under duress," Reddick said.

Matthew added: "It's not about the money with Haason. He definitely wants his worth but he wants to make the Hall of Fame. He knows that he needs another three to five years of double-digits just to be considered...And that's what he wants -- he wants to be known as the best."

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/39875227/philadelphia-eagles-haason-reddick-trade-questions-defense

On 2/11/2024 at 1:57 PM, eglz1 said:

I hope this isn't Reddick thinking:

"I'm 29 years old and I want a ring. I'm not likely to get one with the Eagles in the next 3 or so years so it's time to see if I can get on with a team that is an actual contender."

He saw the new coaches coming in, knowing the Eagles are committed to winning it all. He simply wants $$$. And he is asking too damn much. GREED is a word I would use. As far as wanting to win, he went to the JETS. 'Nuff said.

13 minutes ago, Talonblood said:

As far as wanting to win, he went to the JETS. 'Nuff said.

That's irrefutable. I do think that "wanting to play for my hometown team" is overrated. Of course if the hometown team is willing to pay the most .........

I guess Howie just wants a younger team and wants to give Nolan more chances. Plus he prob believes the Eagles arent a SB team this year with all the changes at coaching and personnel.

"I really can't wrap my head around it. I'm baffled like everyone else," his father, Raymond Matthew, told ESPN. "He outperformed his contract. ... He just wanted market value. He just wanted the numbers that made sense, which he didn't get.

So then why is he playing for pretty much the exact same money in NY on a 1 year deal, which is exactly what he had in Philly?  It's clearly not about money, so I don't know why everyone keeps trying to pretend that it is.

1 hour ago, Dweedlebug said:

"I really can't wrap my head around it. I'm baffled like everyone else," his father, Raymond Matthew, told ESPN. "He outperformed his contract. ... He just wanted market value. He just wanted the numbers that made sense, which he didn't get.

So then why is he playing for pretty much the exact same money in NY on a 1 year deal, which is exactly what he had in Philly?  It's clearly not about money, so I don't know why everyone keeps trying to pretend that it is.

i think he is the prominent eagle that the NFL network guy was talking about possibly being gone from the team that was involved in the locker room BS from last season