February 26, 20241 yr It´s a post truth world, where engagement and clicks are more important than facts - and it´s only going to get worse. Just look out for weasel words that hint at deeper knowledge but come built-in with plausible deniability. Here´s an example: ¨An Eagles insider told me that they suspect the reasons for the Eagles collapse are multiple, but could include a major personality clash between two key players, as well as their coaches. The source refused to name the players, but said this implied a serious fracture within the team.¨ Nobody named, nothing specific, nothing demonstrably true, or false. Just anodyne clickbait to get people speculating, gossiping and engaging (aka fighting). Suspects. Implies. Could. Weasel words. The insider could be anyone from Howie Roseman to Carol who makes the coffee for the coaches, if they exist at all. Our lizard brains are so quick to react and respond, and the internet moves so fast (especially social media) that we all feel the need to get our responses in super quickly. It´s all BS, and we just can´t help ourselves.
February 26, 20241 yr 11 minutes ago, kiwinavega said: Nobody named, nothing specific, nothing demonstrably true, or false. Just anodyne clickbait to get people speculating, gossiping and engaging (aka fighting). Suspects. Implies. Could. Weasel words. The insider could be anyone from Howie Roseman to Carol who makes the coffee for the coaches, if they exist at all. Our lizard brains are so quick to react and respond, and the internet moves so fast (especially social media) that we all feel the need to get our responses in super quickly. It´s all BS, and we just can´t help ourselves. It also could have some truth but be greatly exaggerated. As you say there’s nobody named and nothing specific. I’m sure players fall out all of the time and have disagreements all of the time. Doesn’t mean it’s ever fractured beyond repair.
February 26, 20241 yr In a group of 53 players, plus coaches, assistants and other staff, you´d better hope there is tension and disagreement. If not you have serious cultural problems (this does not apply to all fields, but does apply to sports)
February 26, 20241 yr You want to know what happened last season, this Fing moron happened. That's it. We went from a defense that couldn't stop San Francisco with no linebackers or nickel corners to a defense that gave up 29 second half points to the 2023 Arizona Cardinals in our own house. It isn't any more complicated than that.
February 26, 20241 yr 5 hours ago, Cochis_Calhoun said: You want to know what happened last season, this Fing moron happened. That's it. We went from a defense that couldn't stop San Francisco with no linebackers or nickel corners to a defense that gave up 29 second half points to the 2023 Arizona Cardinals in our own house. It isn't any more complicated than that. It is a little more complicated than that. ... Siri did not appoint the moron. Lurie brought him in as insurance policy. Insurance policy for what??? Him and Howie grossly misjusging LB position and letting all our starting LBs walk? There are many ..many more problems like cockroaches that were hidden while we were winning that crept out once we started loosing ..such as extremely poor coaching staff.
February 26, 20241 yr 9 hours ago, kiwinavega said: It´s a post truth world, where engagement and clicks are more important than facts - and it´s only going to get worse. Just look out for weasel words that hint at deeper knowledge but come built-in with plausible deniability. Here´s an example: ¨An Eagles insider told me that they suspect the reasons for the Eagles collapse are multiple, but could include a major personality clash between two key players, as well as their coaches. The source refused to name the players, but said this implied a serious fracture within the team.¨ Nobody named, nothing specific, nothing demonstrably true, or false. Just anodyne clickbait to get people speculating, gossiping and engaging (aka fighting). Suspects. Implies. Could. Weasel words. The insider could be anyone from Howie Roseman to Carol who makes the coffee for the coaches, if they exist at all. Our lizard brains are so quick to react and respond, and the internet moves so fast (especially social media) that we all feel the need to get our responses in super quickly. It´s all BS, and we just can´t help ourselves. True. In addition, reporters will take things out of context, stretch things to mean something not intended or create a narrative. I've seen it many, many times with a tweet or article about a player or coach interview. Then, I go find the interview video or audio and listen to the full context. What they said, how they said it. There are times the player is clearly being sarcastic or making a light hearted joke and smiling or laughing, but in print without context it's twisted to something else. Or, they cherry pick certain words or phrases. Movie ads do this about reviews. It could say the writing and acting were bad but the special effects were terrific. Then the commercial says critics call the movie "terrific." Recently, Cox was on a podcast with Cameron Heyward. It was a fun conversation in Vegas during Super Bowl week. He asked Cox to name a defensive player that he wished he could play with. Cox paused to think, said that he's already played with Suh, then paused and looked at Heyward and said "you." Then said how he respects his game and as a person. Heyward said yeah the things we could've done together. They moved on. Then some generic Twitter profile took that and posted that Fletcher Cox wants to play for the Steelers and will sign with them this offseason. Then people see it, post it here, then posters respond and believe it without checking on it and then narratives form.
February 27, 20241 yr On 2/26/2024 at 3:32 AM, kiwinavega said: It´s a post truth world, where engagement and clicks are more important than facts - and it´s only going to get worse. Just look out for weasel words that hint at deeper knowledge but come built-in with plausible deniability. Here´s an example: ¨An Eagles insider told me that they suspect the reasons for the Eagles collapse are multiple, but could include a major personality clash between two key players, as well as their coaches. The source refused to name the players, but said this implied a serious fracture within the team.¨ Nobody named, nothing specific, nothing demonstrably true, or false. Just anodyne clickbait to get people speculating, gossiping and engaging (aka fighting). Suspects. Implies. Could. Weasel words. The insider could be anyone from Howie Roseman to Carol who makes the coffee for the coaches, if they exist at all. Our lizard brains are so quick to react and respond, and the internet moves so fast (especially social media) that we all feel the need to get our responses in super quickly. It´s all BS, and we just can´t help ourselves. When I see the highlighted words I immediately know not to give any weight whatsoever to the "report" (term used extremely loosely) ... especially when sources are unnamed/anonymous. It's basically people with absolutely no knowledge of the situation attempting to push off gut feeling as being legitimately factual.
February 28, 20241 yr Well, even if it was somehow true that Fletch was upset with how Jalen was handling things, it doesn't excuse the defense from playing like absolute trash. Also, I like Cox (pause) but he can go if he really is a disruption in the locker room.
February 28, 20241 yr 4 hours ago, MF POON said: Well, even if it was somehow true that Fletch was upset with how Jalen was handling things, it doesn't excuse the defense from playing like absolute trash. Also, I like Cox (pause) but he can go if he really is a disruption in the locker room. Cox is not a disruption in the locker room. What was said from Eskin is that Cox expressed he wanted Hurts to be more vocal. It was blown out of proportion. Here's Cox talking about Hurts:
February 29, 20241 yr On 2/24/2024 at 8:10 AM, nipples said: A predictable offense with garbage play calling, and a horrendous DC (Patricia) is what happened. As the season went on the playcalls became more and more predictable because there was no creativity. Then the defense completely collapsed when that moron Patricia took over. They weren't a great defense under Desai by any means, but they were far, far worse after he was removed. Yes our coaching was as bad as can be and were puppets for management. All the players knew it. The offensive game plans were as limited and uncreative as you will find in this league with a complete lack of adjustments. This is an issue of competence, or lack thereof. The bend but don't break model on D that Lurie demands we play doesn't work against today's accurate QBs. The whole way they do things is rotten. Lurie meddled and won a SB and now he thinks he can run every thing and that just isn't reality.
February 29, 20241 yr On 2/28/2024 at 10:12 AM, NOTW said: Cox is not a disruption in the locker room. What was said from Eskin is that Cox expressed he wanted Hurts to be more vocal. It was blown out of proportion. I could be wrong, but the feeling I have had about this team is that all our "leaders" want somebody else to be more vocal. Hurts seems pretty vocal aside from his stoic demeanor. Maybe some guys think he should get more excited or more upset in the moment, but that isn't really him and it would probably come off as fake if he changed. But when was the last time we saw a fiery example of leadership on the defensive side of the ball? We have a lot of leaders there, but just not a vocal one like Dawkins or Jenkins. Hurts can't really be that guy --- he can't get in the faces of the defense --- it needs to come from a defensive player. Hopefully somebody steps up in 2024.
February 29, 20241 yr 13 hours ago, brkmsn said: I could be wrong, but the feeling I have had about this team is that all our "leaders" want somebody else to be more vocal. Hurts seems pretty vocal aside from his stoic demeanor. Maybe some guys think he should get more exited or more upset in the moment, but that isn't really him and it would probably come off as fake if he changed. But when was the last time we saw a fiery example of leadership on the defensive side of the ball? We have a lot of leaders there, but just not a vocal one like Dawkins or Jenkins. Hurts can't really be that guy --- he can't get in the faces of the defense --- it needs to come from a defensive player. Hopefully somebody steps up in 2024. This is a great point. Hurts isn’t an emotional kind of player who at least doesn’t seem it. He remains calm under pressure which is a good quality to have. I’m sure he could be more vocal and I’m sure he could give a little more energy at times. But he isn’t and shouldn’t be the only leader. There are other guys in that locker room who are leaders.
February 29, 20241 yr 14 hours ago, brkmsn said: I could be wrong, but the feeling I have had about this team is that all our "leaders" want somebody else to be more vocal. Hurts seems pretty vocal aside from his stoic demeanor. Maybe some guys think he should get more exited or more upset in the moment, but that isn't really him and it would probably come off as fake if he changed. But when was the last time we saw a fiery example of leadership on the defensive side of the ball? We have a lot of leaders there, but just not a vocal one like Dawkins or Jenkins. Hurts can't really be that guy --- he can't get in the faces of the defense --- it needs to come from a defensive player. Hopefully somebody steps up in 2024. Great point. Cox, you're a veteran and the defense was absolutely horrendous. What did YOU do? Were YOU vocal to help the young players? Don't worry about the QB on offense needing to be more vocal, worry about the defense collapsing and giving up huge leads. BG is a vocal leader and motivator, that didn't help did it? Not much rah rah you can do when the coaching sucks and there's lack of talent. Slay is a veteran and he's on social media arguing with the media about not calling him Darius, call me Slay. Shut up and worry about how bad the defense was. The offense has vocal leaders in Kelce, AJ Brown, Hurts leads in his own way, DeVonta leads by example because he always performs and conducts himself professionally, the rest of the O line all do a great job and have good character. The coaching on offense made terrible calls and decisions and put them in bad position. What does Hurts being "more vocal" have to do with that?
February 29, 20241 yr 17 hours ago, brkmsn said: I could be wrong, but the feeling I have had about this team is that all our "leaders" want somebody else to be more vocal. Hurts seems pretty vocal aside from his stoic demeanor. Maybe some guys think he should get more exited or more upset in the moment, but that isn't really him and it would probably come off as fake if he changed. But when was the last time we saw a fiery example of leadership on the defensive side of the ball? We have a lot of leaders there, but just not a vocal one like Dawkins or Jenkins. Hurts can't really be that guy --- he can't get in the faces of the defense --- it needs to come from a defensive player. Hopefully somebody steps up in 2024. I feel like Dean could be that player, but he first needs to stay on the field to be able to be vocal.
February 29, 20241 yr On 2/26/2024 at 5:33 AM, Cochis_Calhoun said: You want to know what happened last season, this Fing moron happened. That's it. We went from a defense that couldn't stop San Francisco with no linebackers or nickel corners to a defense that gave up 29 second half points to the 2023 Arizona Cardinals in our own house. It isn't any more complicated than that. We managed 9 total points against the Bucs in the playoffs. It's a bit more complicated than that.
March 1, 20241 yr 8 hours ago, beto_eagles said: I feel like Dean could be that player, but he first needs to stay on the field to be able to be vocal. I was hoping to see that this last season. Obviously, it was a big setback, but I still have confidence in Dean as a player. When he did play last season, he was our best tackler, He was definitely missed during the collapse. He still needs to work on coverage at the NFL level and hopefully he'll be decent in that phase. But, like you, I really want to see him become the leader on defense that we have missed for the last few seasons.
March 1, 20241 yr 13 hours ago, Kz! said: We managed 9 total points against the Bucs in the playoffs. It's a bit more complicated than that. The defense was so godawful against the Cardinals it was clear we weren't getting to the Superbowl (the defense plays like that against the Cowboys or 49ers and they'd have stuck 75 on us) and they were already in the playoffs, it's not really a surprise the players took their foot off the gas, whether it was intentional or just a subconscious quitting is the only question.
March 9, 20241 yr On 2/28/2024 at 7:35 PM, weko said: The bend but don't break model on D that Lurie demands we play doesn't work against today's accurate QBs. The whole way they do things is rotten. Lurie meddled and won a SB and now he thinks he can run every thing and that just isn't reality. There's a good chance the rot will continue, Fangio runs a bend but don't break defense.
March 9, 20241 yr Players didn't believe in the coaches any more. We may fixed that though with the two new coordinators who look legit. Crossing my fingers.
March 10, 20241 yr I thought Desai sucked Moose balls but.....when they made that change, the team went from bad to horrific. And I do not think it had to do with a difference in quality of coordinators, I think it stemmed from how the change happened. This is just supposition, but whether there was a lack of communication to the leaders of the team, whether it was just a reaction by the players to the sheer desperation of the move, whatever it was.....the team went from just squeaking by to falling off a cliff right at that time.
March 10, 20241 yr On 2/23/2024 at 10:48 AM, GreenMachine said: https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/conflicting-claims-emerge-as-to-why-the-eagles-collapsed Lacking on specifics but Craig Carton of FS1 says it's a major issue and cannot be fixed. Insinuates a major player may be released. Sounds like a mess. There is no problem that can't be fixed. They now have legit OC and DC, as well as other coaches that players RESPECT. The respect factor cannot be overstated, because the players quit on the coaches that were here, plain and simple. PROBLEM FIXED. Hopefully, anyway. 😆
March 12, 20241 yr The players looked like they were frustrated all season. All the way back to Week 1... Winning covers up a lot of mistakes. So these early spats were glossed over, the team is 10-1! It all fell apart when nothing got better.
March 12, 20241 yr 19 minutes ago, toolg said: The players looked like they were frustrated all season. All the way back to Week 1... Winning covers up a lot of mistakes. So these early spats were glossed over, the team is 10-1! It all fell apart when nothing got better. Completely agree. I wonder whether they just never really settled in to the season because of the SB hanging over them and the high expectations for the team? That’s not making excuses just trying to rationalise (and speculate) on why it all went so wrong.
March 12, 20241 yr Fletcher Cox on the Rich Eisen show: Defended Siri as a good coach. Says he has racked his brain, has no idea how or why they collapsed. Said there was no locker room blowup, no incident, no leadership issues. Said Hurts is a good leader (again, as he did in another podcast). And before you say he won't say anything about the organization or confirm any issues, he did acknowledge the Big Dom was missed, and that he is there to help prevent the coaches and players from getting penalties and they missed his presence and advice on the sidelines. Starts at 6 minutes in:
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