April 2, 20241 yr 10 minutes ago, Kz! said: She's getting there. She's a lifelong liberal who most recently voted for Youngkin. Not sure if I've locked in her vote for Trump yet, she despises him, but she's assured me she won't vote for Biden, so I count that as a win. Damn, even your wife thinks you're wrong about everything
April 2, 20241 yr 1 minute ago, we_gotta_believe said: She hates Trump and has "assured" you she's not voting for Biden. You're such an Alpha, Kz! I know data hurts your feelings, little guy, but it's just a statistical fact that conservatives' wives tend to conform to their husband's ideology while the opposite is true for liberal "men." You can cope and seethe about it all you want.
April 2, 20241 yr 15 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: Oh so your "wife" conformed to your way of thinking, yeah?
April 2, 20241 yr 2 minutes ago, Paul852 said: Damn, even your wife thinks you're wrong about everything No longer votes dem and now consistently votes republican... "wrong about everything." I knew the data about liberals would hurt some feelings in here. Hate to see it.
April 2, 20241 yr 7 minutes ago, Kz! said: No longer votes dem and now consistently votes republican... "wrong about everything." Sure, sure.
April 2, 20241 yr Just now, we_gotta_believe said: CVON is so much fun now we know the real source of kz's hate for libs.
April 2, 20241 yr 47 minutes ago, Kz! said: I know data hurts your feelings, little guy, but it's just a statistical fact that conservatives' wives tend to conform to their husband's ideology while the opposite is true for liberal "men." You can cope and seethe about it all you want. yes, we all know how well your reasoning is motivated by "statistical facts"
April 2, 20241 yr Author 2 hours ago, JohnSnowsHair said: who's flipping out about someone having multiple wives? at most from a legal standpoint having one designated partner in a civil union is necessary, because you can't have a situation where some quorum of people have to decide on life-saving medical treatment or end of life care. but I don't know many "liberal" friends or otherwise who have come down specifically against multiple wives. to the credit of the liberals on these boards, I haven't seen anyone flip out over polygamy. As for many of my liberal friends on Facebook, that is an entirely different story. As for pedophilia, there was legislation to reduce penalties imposed on those who have sex with minors. There are also quite a few who seek to normalize this. Check out this piece. https://clcjbooks.rutgers.edu/books/a-long-dark-shadow-minor-attracted-people-and-their-pursuit-of-dignity/ Arlen Specter called for civil unions many moons ago. It's basically a financial and planning status that is akin to the benefits of marriage but short of marriage. IMO, with a civil union romantic involvement should not be required to be part of the equation. Let's say you have two sisters who have lived together their whole lives into adulthood. Why should they be deprived the benefits of a civil union. As for what WGB said on whether gay or trans lifestyles are depraved, look at this from an historical perspective. Historically, when the taboos of homosexuality were lifted in society - those societies did not fair well in the long term. Does that mean gay people should face hate and discrimination? Of course not. I know that if my kid came out as gay, I would support him 100%. I do not, however, think it bodes well for society in the long term when taboos like this are lifted.
April 2, 20241 yr 20 minutes ago, Procus said: Historically, when the taboos of homosexuality were lifted in society - those societies did not fair well in the long term. "Societies throughout history collapsed once the gays became accepted!"
April 2, 20241 yr 6 minutes ago, Procus said: to the credit of the liberals on these boards, I haven't seen anyone flip out over polygamy. As for many of my liberal friends on Facebook, that is an entirely different story. As for pedophilia, there was legislation to reduce penalties imposed on those who have sex with minors. There are also quite a few who seek to normalize this. Check out this piece. https://clcjbooks.rutgers.edu/books/a-long-dark-shadow-minor-attracted-people-and-their-pursuit-of-dignity/ I disagree with any attempt to "normalize" pedophilia. That said, at a brief glance (I'm actually attempting to get some amount of work done today) it looks like it's talking about people who recognize they have a tendency towards pedophilia and have sought help to cope with these compulsions. It's a hard topic to discuss for obvious reasons. Any person who allows themselves to submit to these dangerous desires can take a one way trip to the gas chamber as far as I'm concerned. But what do you do with people who have never acted on impulses, and seek mental health treatment to ensure they never do? I'm sure some here will construe this line of thinking as somehow being pro-pedophile but I've never been someone to shy from difficult subjects, or to see a world that's shades of gray as black and white. 14 minutes ago, Procus said: As for what WGB said on whether gay or trans lifestyles are depraved, look at this from an historical perspective. Historically, when the taboos of homosexuality were lifted in society - those societies did not fair well in the long term. Does that mean gay people should face hate and discrimination? Of course not. I know that if my kid came out as gay, I would support him 100%. I do not, however, think it bodes well for society in the long term when taboos like this are lifted. That's a pretty historically inaccurate assessment. The Roman Empire dominated the Mediterranean for hundreds of years, and homosexuality was hardly taboo. Ancient Greece is a bit overrated as "empires" go (considering it was a loose confederation of city-states), but it dominated political and academic thought prior to Rome's rise - and it, also, held few to no taboos around homosexuality. Most notably Alexander the Great was almost certainly engaged in a homosexual relationship with Hephaestion. I'm less familiar with Asian cultures, but as I understand it homosexuality in ancient India was accepted, while it was more complicated in China depending on social class. It's only owed to Judeo-Christian dominance of Europe for 1800 or whatever years that homosexuality became taboo. And plenty of empires and kingdoms rose and fell on shorter timelines than those I mentioned in that timeframe.
April 2, 20241 yr Author 2 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: That's a pretty historically inaccurate assessment. The Roman Empire dominated the Mediterranean for hundreds of years, and homosexuality was hardly taboo. Yes and no as far as male gay sex. No taboo on giving anal sex. Big taboo on receiving anal sex. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_ancient_Rome "The conquest mentality and "cult of virility" shaped same-sex relations. Roman men were free to enjoy sex with other males without a perceived loss of masculinity or social status as long as they took the dominant or penetrative role. Acceptable male partners were slaves and former slaves, prostitutes, and entertainers, whose lifestyle placed them in the nebulous social realm of infamia, so they were excluded from the normal protections accorded to a citizen even if they were technically free."
April 2, 20241 yr Yes the taboo was whether you were the dominant or the submissive. Not on the whole sticking it up another dude's ass part.
April 2, 20241 yr Author 33 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: Yes the taboo was whether you were the dominant or the submissive. Not on the whole sticking it up another dude's ass part. Pretty much the same thing
April 2, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, Procus said: Yes and no as far as male gay sex. No taboo on giving anal sex. Big taboo on receiving anal sex. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_ancient_Rome "The conquest mentality and "cult of virility" shaped same-sex relations. Roman men were free to enjoy sex with other males without a perceived loss of masculinity or social status as long as they took the dominant or penetrative role. Acceptable male partners were slaves and former slaves, prostitutes, and entertainers, whose lifestyle placed them in the nebulous social realm of infamia, so they were excluded from the normal protections accorded to a citizen even if they were technically free."
April 2, 20241 yr Just now, Procus said: Pretty much the same thing No, it ain't. Unless you're trying to say it's not gay when your best bud gives you a handy or blowy when you're feeling stressed, because you're not the bottom. Homosexuality was not taboo. Alexander was schtuping Hephaestion. This line of reasoning that acceptance of homosexuality is some causal or even correlating factor in the downfall of civilizations is preposterous and completely unsupported by even a layman's understanding of history.
April 2, 20241 yr 2 hours ago, Procus said: Yes and no as far as male gay sex. No taboo on giving anal sex. Big taboo on receiving anal sex. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_ancient_Rome "The conquest mentality and "cult of virility" shaped same-sex relations. Roman men were free to enjoy sex with other males without a perceived loss of masculinity or social status as long as they took the dominant or penetrative role. Acceptable male partners were slaves and former slaves, prostitutes, and entertainers, whose lifestyle placed them in the nebulous social realm of infamia, so they were excluded from the normal protections accorded to a citizen even if they were technically free."
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