June 26, 20241 yr On 4/23/2024 at 4:25 PM, NOTW said: I thought after the season ended, they would see Rodgers as part of the plan along with the young corners like Ricks and Ringo. Can we stop with the Ricks hype, he showed he didn't have the speed (4.60) to be a standout player.
June 27, 20241 yr 2 hours ago, EagleVA said: Can we stop with the Ricks hype, he showed he didn't have the speed (4.60) to be a standout player. Re-read the full post and context. I said I thought the front office (not me) would argue they don't need a corner, that THEY would point to Ricks, Ringo, adding Rodgers, returning Slay & Bradberry. Thankfully, they used their 1st round pick on a top corner prospect. And added a safety as well.
June 27, 20241 yr 5 hours ago, EagleVA said: Can we stop with the Ricks hype, he showed he didn't have the speed (4.60) to be a standout player. Y'know, writing off UDFA after one year is both the dumbest and smartest thing around. Let me explain why it's each. Why it's dumb: Acting like a UDFA is a complete product is a really really silly idea after a rookie season. Why it's smart: Statistically, even if the above is true, the odds are against them to the point where you're usually right. However, it's less because of the rookie season and more because of the total pan out percentage. I'd say more that he probably won't become a standout player, and that speed may turn out to be the reason, but I actually think opportunities at critical times are also major reasons that low round picks don't pan out as well. All that said, I think even if he did turn out to be a standout player, it wouldn't be here, so for the intents and purposes of the Eagles, it doesn't really matter unfortunately.
June 27, 20241 yr 8 hours ago, NOTW said: Re-read the full post and context. I said I thought the front office (not me) Everybody knows you're a group thinker.
June 27, 20241 yr 17 hours ago, EagleVA said: Can we stop with the Ricks hype, he showed he didn't have the speed (4.60) to be a standout player. Whoa, you’re writing a guy off because of his 40 time? Shocker.
June 27, 20241 yr 6 hours ago, EagleVA said: Everybody knows you're a group thinker. You always say that, but don't seem to read/reply to all my criticisms of the team. I've been pumping the brakes on the excitement about the secondary. Guys are thinking we have value to trade, I keep saying the secondary was garbage last year, we don't know if Mitchell or Rodgers will work out yet, Ricks and Ringo looked promising in comparison to the awful play they replaced and they're all learning a new system now so we have to wait and see.
June 28, 20241 yr 8 hours ago, NOTW said: You always say that, but don't seem to read/reply to all my criticisms of the team. I've been pumping the brakes on the excitement about the secondary. Guys are thinking we have value to trade, I keep saying the secondary was garbage last year, we don't know if Mitchell or Rodgers will work out yet, Ricks and Ringo looked promising in comparison to the awful play they replaced and they're all learning a new system now so we have to wait and see. You group thinkers are just jealous because you aren't "pests."
June 28, 20241 yr 6 hours ago, brkmsn said: You group thinkers are just jealous because you aren't "pests." Good, you know your label.
June 28, 20241 yr 5 hours ago, EagleVA said: Good, you know your label. Flat-earthers just love handing out labels. It's much easier than coming up with competent rebuttals or dealing with the reminders of the stupid things they have said. In a stationary world where gravity is pretend, Devonta Smith is just a glorified Greg Ward ...
July 5, 20241 yr On 6/26/2024 at 3:10 PM, EagleVA said: Can we stop with the Ricks hype, he showed he didn't have the speed (4.60) to be a standout player. Can we stop with the speed already. Sometimes player with intelligence overcomes a player with the speed. Ricks showed enough intelligence to hang on last year. Let's give him benefit of the doubt and see how he does in the new system. I am hoping that he can find a role for himself.
July 6, 20241 yr On 7/5/2024 at 1:37 AM, Traveler Vic said: Can we stop with the speed already. Sometimes player with intelligence overcomes a player with the speed. Ricks showed enough intelligence to hang on last year. Let's give him benefit of the doubt and see how he does in the new system. I am hoping that he can find a role for himself. I know we all love speed (and I do think this defense needs a bit of that) but I do think we want to see guys play fast rather than with speed. We want our guys to play like they know what they are doing and so they can just go after the ball.
July 9, 20241 yr To me CB2 is a wide open competition and I trust Fangio, along with his Secondary coach(es), to ensure the most effective CB fills the position.
July 9, 20241 yr 2 hours ago, jsdarkstar said: I see Rodgers as CB 2, yet Bradbury is still on the roster for some reason. Bradbury isn't even playing corner anymore. Ringo was getting first team reps along with Rodgers
July 14, 20241 yr On 7/4/2024 at 8:37 PM, Traveler Vic said: Can we stop with the speed already. Sometimes player with intelligence overcomes a player with the speed. Ricks showed enough intelligence to hang on last year. Let's give him benefit of the doubt and see how he does in the new system. I am hoping that he can find a role for himself. What about a player with speed and intelligence vs. slow poke with intelligence? OK, that's what I'm talking about. Personally, I've seen all I need to see from Ricks, there are too many promising DBs for him to make the roster this year.
July 14, 20241 yr On 6/28/2024 at 8:02 AM, brkmsn said: Flat-earthers just love handing out labels. It's much easier than coming up with competent rebuttals or dealing with the reminders of the stupid things they have said. In a stationary world where gravity is pretend, Understand this much, I can rebutt any and everything heliocentric but I don't waste my time with the brainwashed. BTW brainwashed is not label for globers it's a fact?
July 14, 20241 yr 2 hours ago, EagleVA said: Understand this much, I can rebutt any and everything heliocentric but I don't waste my time with the brainwashed. BTW brainwashed is not label for globers it's a fact? Fact --- Your last sentence was a question. I hope someday you get answers.
July 16, 20241 yr On 6/26/2024 at 11:49 PM, AmericanEagle77 said: Y'know, writing off UDFA after one year is both the dumbest and smartest thing around. Let me explain why it's each. Why it's dumb: Acting like a UDFA is a complete product is a really really silly idea after a rookie season. Why it's smart: Statistically, even if the above is true, the odds are against them to the point where you're usually right. However, it's less because of the rookie season and more because of the total pan out percentage. I'd say more that he probably won't become a standout player, and that speed may turn out to be the reason, but I actually think opportunities at critical times are also major reasons that low round picks don't pan out as well. All that said, I think even if he did turn out to be a standout player, it wouldn't be here, so for the intents and purposes of the Eagles, it doesn't really matter unfortunately. UDFA's are a special circumstance. While it's unfair to write any player off after one year, life isn't fair. Commitment reflects talent and investment. And UDFA's are less talented and have less investment. Most UDFA's get written off after ZERO years; they don't even make the roster as rookies. Ricks is a udfa with udfa talent and udfa investment who played a lot more than he deserved as a rookie simply because the Eagles had the worse secondary in the NFL which was also juggling the injury book. And he mostly got torched as one would expect. Could Ricks put it all together and become a great starting CB? Sure, it's possible. There are drafted corners who get torched in year 1 too. But Ricks just isn't going to get that kind of leash or patience. Ricks will get cut without a second thought if the numbers don't shake out in his favor. Now...Slay, Mitchell, Rodgers are all very likely to be ahead of Ricks on the depth chart. Maddox is very likely too. I think it's >50% that even Zech Mcphearson will. Let's call DeJean a tossup because his CB/S flexibility may work in favor of Ricks staying on the roster. That puts Ricks around CB6.
July 20, 20241 yr On 7/13/2024 at 5:18 PM, EagleVA said: What about a player with speed and intelligence vs. slow poke with intelligence? OK, that's what I'm talking about. Personally, I've seen all I need to see from Ricks, there are too many promising DBs for him to make the roster this year. We will see.
July 20, 20241 yr On 7/13/2024 at 5:18 PM, EagleVA said: What about a player with speed and intelligence vs. slow poke with intelligence? OK, that's what I'm talking about. Personally, I've seen all I need to see from Ricks, there are too many promising DBs for him to make the roster this year. My prime example of lack of speed criticism being wrong...was always Brian Dawkins. Oh.. his speed is 4.63 at the combine. He is just good at lifting and not much also at the combine.. Not fast enough to play safety in the NFL. Despite all the criticisms ..Dawkins was one of the smarter / tougher players to play the game and made 9 Pro Bowls. Who cares about his perceived lack of speed??? Ricks is unknown at this point. I want to see him in the new system and how he fits in. I will not dismiss him before try out because someone deems him not athletic enough. We do not need elite athletes on this team. Overachieving high performers will work just fine.
July 22, 20241 yr Author I believe Rodgers has as good a shot as anyone to take that 2nd outside spot. He has a decent amount of starting experience (10 starts in Indy) and played well enough. Some want to pencil Mitchell in there (and he very well may earn that spot) but gut says they won't want to throw him into the starting lineup immediately as a rookie. Rodgers' biggest competition IMO is likely Bradberry (should he remain on the roster and look decent in TC and preseason games) and Ringo (who they gave up a future day 2 pick for last year and reportedly looked really good in the spring - we'll see if that translates when they go live).
July 22, 20241 yr On 7/19/2024 at 10:23 PM, Traveler Vic said: My prime example of lack of speed criticism being wrong...was always Brian Dawkins. Oh.. his speed is 4.63 at the combine. He is just good at lifting and not much also at the combine.. Not fast enough to play safety in the NFL. Despite all the criticisms ..Dawkins was one of the smarter / tougher players to play the game and made 9 Pro Bowls. Who cares about his perceived lack of speed??? 4.63 isn't bad for a safety, it's not like they have to run stride for stride with burners.
July 22, 20241 yr 6 hours ago, time2rock said: I believe Rodgers has as good a shot as anyone to take that 2nd outside spot. The odd man out should be Slay, I'd have him as a second stringer.
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