April 28, 20241 yr 5 hours ago, VaBeach_Eagle said: Long video, but well worth the watch. I’m rooting for him for sure. Can’t wait to see him get a sack or a tackle for loss in a big moment and break out the axe!
April 28, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, Utebird said: Tj weighs more now, what was trotters combine height? 1 hour ago, Bwestbrook36 said: 6ft ^ this. The difference in height is about 1/4 inch. More similarities: Trotter Jr. : Production Score 86 2024 Combine LB Rank: 2nd Athleticism Score *est 55 2024 Combine LB Rank: 23rd Total Score 73 2024 Combine LB Rank: 7th Edwards: Production Score 85 2019 Combine LB Rank: 6th Athleticism Score *est 62 2019 Combine LB Rank: 29th Total Score 69 2019 Combine LB Rank: 21st
April 28, 20241 yr 38 minutes ago, brkmsn said: ^ this. The difference in height is about 1/4 inch. More similarities: Trotter Jr. : Production Score 86 2024 Combine LB Rank: 2nd Athleticism Score *est 55 2024 Combine LB Rank: 23rd Total Score 73 2024 Combine LB Rank: 7th Edwards: Production Score 85 2019 Combine LB Rank: 6th Athleticism Score *est 62 2019 Combine LB Rank: 29th Total Score 69 2019 Combine LB Rank: 21st Looks like trotter is more athletic which isnt surprising as the big knock on TJ was his lack of athleticism. Now Trotter isnt a freak but his athletic score would suggest hes a much better athlete than TJ. I dont really see the comp. If you do cool👍
April 28, 20241 yr Just remembered something... I actually have a Trotter 54 jersey. In Kelly Green, to boot. Whoever it was that sent it to me, forgive me but I can't remember who it was, but it'll come back to me.
April 28, 20241 yr 9 hours ago, Diehardfan said: I'm posting it here, too. Destiny!!! Imma tell my kids this is R kelly saving a kid from diddy
April 28, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, Utebird said: Looks like trotter is more athletic which isnt surprising as the big knock on TJ was his lack of athleticism. Can you tell me what you see that demonstrates that claim? The Next Gen Stats athleticsm score (I posted above) for Trotter was 55 and for Edwards was 62. Edwards had a slightly faster Shuttle and 3-cone. The only test Trotter participated in and surpassed Edwards was bench press.
April 28, 20241 yr A year ago... https://www.pff.com/news/draft-way-too-early-2024-nfl-mock-draft-caleb-williams-and-marvin-harrison-jr-land-in-arizona-colts-grab-joe-alt
April 28, 20241 yr I'm pretty happy they made this pick, there is a need at line backer but I wouldn't expect him to come in and start and with the family history it's nice to see. Really happy for him and I hope he kills it
April 28, 20241 yr 3 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said: A year ago... https://www.pff.com/news/draft-way-too-early-2024-nfl-mock-draft-caleb-williams-and-marvin-harrison-jr-land-in-arizona-colts-grab-joe-alt He fell from a top 10 pick to a 5th round pick which is nuts. Even in January I kept reading that he would be gone by our second round pick. How bad must his combine (or lack of) been to see him drop? I'm curious to see how his measurables compare to his dad. His dad was such a beast in the run game with his size, but could be a liability in pass coverage. Jr sounds like he is an elite coverage guy but lacks the size.
April 28, 20241 yr 8 hours ago, brkmsn said: Can you tell me what you see that demonstrates that claim? The Next Gen Stats athleticsm score (I posted above) for Trotter was 55 and for Edwards was 62. Edwards had a slightly faster Shuttle and 3-cone. The only test Trotter participated in and surpassed Edwards was bench press. Sorry must have have mixed them up, it was really late and i was tired, still am, late work day Either way I dont see the comp🤷♂️
April 28, 20241 yr 2 hours ago, Utebird said: Sorry must have have mixed them up, it was really late and i was tired, still am, late work day Either way I dont see the comp🤷♂️ No problem on the mix-up. I'm not sure how you fail to see the similarities, though. Their size is nearly identical (upon entering the NFL). The scouting reports are nearly identical. My whole point was that other than size, he's the opposite of Dean from a scouting perspective. For a more accurate comparison, Edwards fits.
April 28, 20241 yr This is a great legacy pick for the Eagles, but I hope people do not raise their expectations too high too early.
April 28, 20241 yr 33 minutes ago, brkmsn said: No problem on the mix-up. I'm not sure how you fail to see the similarities, though. Their size is nearly identical (upon entering the NFL). The scouting reports are nearly identical. My whole point was that other than size, he's the opposite of Dean from a scouting perspective. For a more accurate comparison, Edwards fits. Honestly when i waych trot JR all I see is a mini trot senior. That pick he took to the house is almost identical to a pick 6 trotter Sr. Had against the cowboys in 2001? I mean sure Sr. Was way bigger but they both kind of move the same. Having said that maybe the reason I dont see the comp is just because of their pad differences😄 TJ had those bigger bulkier pads and i think a neck roll or cowboy collar in college, where as Trot has smaller sleeker pads, sounds silly but thats how I see it. I really liked TJ was sad when he left, if i remember Howie actually offered him a contract but he took less with the bears because he wanted to be closer to home? Hopefully trotter works out, I get some people think hes just a legacy puck but take the name off his jersey and just watch his tape and its pretty good stuff. I actually like him more than Dean I hated the Dean Pick, in a passing league Dean is useless in coverage where as trotter at least on tape and statistically looks better than dean there.
April 28, 20241 yr 11 minutes ago, Utebird said: Honestly when i waych trot JR all I see is a mini trot senior. That pick he took to the house is almost identical to a pick 6 trotter Sr. Had against the cowboys in 2001? I mean sure Sr. Was way bigger but they both kind of move the same. Having said that maybe the reason I dont see the comp is just because of their pad differences😄 TJ had those bigger bulkier pads and i think a neck roll or cowboy collar in college, where as Trot has smaller sleeker pads, sounds silly but thats how I see it. I really liked TJ was sad when he left, if i remember Howie actually offered him a contract but he took less with the bears because he wanted to be closer to home? Hopefully trotter works out, I get some people think hes just a legacy puck but take the name off his jersey and just watch his tape and its pretty good stuff. I actually like him more than Dean I hated the Dean Pick, in a passing league Dean is useless in coverage where as trotter at least on tape and statistically looks better than dean there. I don't think Howie ever offered Edwards a contract, Edwards agreed so fast to sign, the Eagles weren't really given a chance at that point. My understanding is there wasn't really any discussions happening before that FA period. I believe the Eagles drafted Dean, knowing that Edwards wanted to go into free agency. In camp in 2022, both Edwards and Dean were neck and neck for the starting role, but Edwards won the role in the end. His experience helped him have the edge in coverage. A player like Dean has all the tools to be good in coverage but needs to get that NFL experience like Edwards had up to that point. Very few LBs are all that great in coverage in their first season as a starter. I like the idea of pairing Dean and Trotter. I loved the Dean pick and expect him to become a Pro Bowl level LB. I was also rooting for Trotter to come here and compete for a job. I like NFL pedigrees and think that gives a player an advantage as a rookie. So I can be comfortably optimistic about Jr. getting on the field on defense. I think you might want to look at other LBs before labeling Dean "useless" in coverage. Inexperienced at this level? Yes. Useless? I just don't see that. When I think current All Pro ILB, the first name that pops up is Fred Warner. I think we'd all love to have an ILB like that. How has he been in coverage? He averages about 1.3 INTs and 7.7PD per season. Here are his advanced defensive stats that show targets, completions, passer rating, etc... Games Pass Coverage Pass Rush Tackles Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS Int Tgt Cmp Cmp% Yds Yds/Cmp Yds/Tgt TD Rat DADOT Air YAC Bltz Hrry QBKD Sk Prss Comb MTkl MTkl% 2018 22 SFO MLB 48 16 16 0 75 45 60.0% 475 10.6 6.3 3 91.8 5.1 171 304 51 2 2 0.0 4 124 13 9.5% 2019 23 SFO MLB 54 16 16 1 74 49 66.2% 454 9.3 6.1 2 86.2 3.7 158 296 35 3 1 3.0 7 118 17 12.6% 2020*+ 24 SFO MLB 54 16 16 2 61 38 62.3% 270 7.1 4.4 2 69.7 4.2 80 190 76 9 6 1.0 16 125 7 5.3% 2021 25 SFO MLB 54 16 16 0 62 49 79.0% 428 8.7 6.9 3 111.6 3.1 135 293 28 1 2 0.5 4 137 11 7.4% 2022*+ 26 SFO MLB 54 17 17 1 68 41 60.3% 438 10.7 6.4 0 73.0 4.3 142 296 35 2 3 2.0 8 130 8 5.8% 2023*+ 27 SFO LB 54 17 17 4 76 56 73.7% 560 10.0 7.4 1 76.6 4.9 203 357 43 1 4 2.5 8 132 Here are Dean's so far: Games Pass Coverage Pass Rush Tackles Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS Int Tgt Cmp Cmp% Yds Yds/Cmp Yds/Tgt TD Rat DADOT Air YAC Bltz Hrry QBKD Sk Prss Comb MTkl MTkl% 2022 22 PHI LB 17 17 0 0 3 3 100.0% 12 4.0 4.0 0 83.3 2.3 7 5 0 0 0 0.0 0 13 0 0.0% 2023 23 PHI LB 17 5 4 0 14 11 78.6% 87 7.9 6.2 0 92.6 2.4 42 45 6 0 0 0.5 1 30 1 3.2%
April 28, 20241 yr Looking at our LB group and with Dean's injury history; he's going to see a lot of playing time.
April 28, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, brkmsn said: I don't think Howie ever offered Edwards a contract, Edwards agreed so fast to sign, the Eagles weren't really given a chance at that point. My understanding is there wasn't really any discussions happening before that FA period. I believe the Eagles drafted Dean, knowing that Edwards wanted to go into free agency. In camp in 2022, both Edwards and Dean were neck and neck for the starting role, but Edwards won the role in the end. His experience helped him have the edge in coverage. A player like Dean has all the tools to be good in coverage but needs to get that NFL experience like Edwards had up to that point. Very few LBs are all that great in coverage in their first season as a starter. I like the idea of pairing Dean and Trotter. I loved the Dean pick and expect him to become a Pro Bowl level LB. I was also rooting for Trotter to come here and compete for a job. I like NFL pedigrees and think that gives a player an advantage as a rookie. So I can be comfortably optimistic about Jr. getting on the field on defense. I think you might want to look at other LBs before labeling Dean "useless" in coverage. Inexperienced at this level? Yes. Useless? I just don't see that. When I think current All Pro ILB, the first name that pops up is Fred Warner. I think we'd all love to have an ILB like that. How has he been in coverage? He averages about 1.3 INTs and 7.7PD per season. Here are his advanced defensive stats that show targets, completions, passer rating, etc... Games Pass Coverage Pass Rush Tackles Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS Int Tgt Cmp Cmp% Yds Yds/Cmp Yds/Tgt TD Rat DADOT Air YAC Bltz Hrry QBKD Sk Prss Comb MTkl MTkl% 2018 22 SFO MLB 48 16 16 0 75 45 60.0% 475 10.6 6.3 3 91.8 5.1 171 304 51 2 2 0.0 4 124 13 9.5% 2019 23 SFO MLB 54 16 16 1 74 49 66.2% 454 9.3 6.1 2 86.2 3.7 158 296 35 3 1 3.0 7 118 17 12.6% 2020*+ 24 SFO MLB 54 16 16 2 61 38 62.3% 270 7.1 4.4 2 69.7 4.2 80 190 76 9 6 1.0 16 125 7 5.3% 2021 25 SFO MLB 54 16 16 0 62 49 79.0% 428 8.7 6.9 3 111.6 3.1 135 293 28 1 2 0.5 4 137 11 7.4% 2022*+ 26 SFO MLB 54 17 17 1 68 41 60.3% 438 10.7 6.4 0 73.0 4.3 142 296 35 2 3 2.0 8 130 8 5.8% 2023*+ 27 SFO LB 54 17 17 4 76 56 73.7% 560 10.0 7.4 1 76.6 4.9 203 357 43 1 4 2.5 8 132 Here are Dean's so far: Games Pass Coverage Pass Rush Tackles Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS Int Tgt Cmp Cmp% Yds Yds/Cmp Yds/Tgt TD Rat DADOT Air YAC Bltz Hrry QBKD Sk Prss Comb MTkl MTkl% 2022 22 PHI LB 17 17 0 0 3 3 100.0% 12 4.0 4.0 0 83.3 2.3 7 5 0 0 0 0.0 0 13 0 0.0% 2023 23 PHI LB 17 5 4 0 14 11 78.6% 87 7.9 6.2 0 92.6 2.4 42 45 6 0 0 0.5 1 30 1 3.2% I dont know how to read any of that😁 Having said that at georgia Dean was targeted in coverage something like 47 times and gave up something like 46 completions. I like Dean against the run, I like him as s blitzer but even in college he wasnt any good in coverage where as Trotter has at least shown some flashes. As for Warner as a life long BYU fan loved Fred was hoping the eagles would draft him but🤷♂️ He was good in coverage in college as well. I think deans lack of length and lack of instincts in coverage limit him there, some players are just better going forward and I think any time hes asked to go backwards he struggles
April 28, 20241 yr 34 minutes ago, Utebird said: I dont know how to read any of that😁 Having said that at georgia Dean was targeted in coverage something like 47 times and gave up something like 46 completions. I like Dean against the run, I like him as s blitzer but even in college he wasnt any good in coverage where as Trotter has at least shown some flashes. As for Warner as a life long BYU fan loved Fred was hoping the eagles would draft him but🤷♂️ He was good in coverage in college as well. I think deans lack of length and lack of instincts in coverage limit him there, some players are just better going forward and I think any time hes asked to go backwards he struggles I'd love to view your source for Dean's supposed coverage statistics in college. Those numbers don't seem very realistic and honestly it sounds like someone completely made them up and you took it for gospel. None of the scouting reports coming into the NFL suggested Dean was bad in coverage and they pretty much all projected he would be good there at the next level. Re: those advanced stats I posted. I just meant you can see how many times each season that player was targeted, how many completions he allowed, the QB rating when targeted, etc... Obviously stats without context don't tell the whole story. There is no stat that tracks how many times a defensive player covers his opponent so well that a QB has to go somewhere else. But you can see that even the highest regarded LB is going to be targeted, going to give up completions, etc...
April 28, 20241 yr 1 minute ago, brkmsn said: I'd love to view your source for Dean's supposed coverage statistics in college. Those numbers don't seem very realistic and honestly it sounds like someone completely made them up and you took it for gospel. None of the scouting reports coming into the NFL suggested Dean was bad in coverage and they pretty much all projected he would be good there at the next level. Re: those advanced stats I posted. I just meant you can see how many times each season that player was targeted, how many completions he allowed, the QB rating when targeted, etc... Obviously stats without context don't tell the whole story. There is no stat that tracks how many times a defensive player covers his opponent so well that a QB has to go somewhere else. But you can see that even the highest regarded LB is going to be targeted, going to give up completions, etc... Ill see if I can find it to give you a link.
April 28, 20241 yr 10 minutes ago, Utebird said: Ill see if I can find it to give you a link. https://www.pff.com/news/college-football-2021-all-sec-team-offensive-defensive-player-of-the-year-bryce-young-alabama-nakobe-dean-georgia SEC DEFENSIVE PLAYER OF THE YEAR LB Nakobe Dean, Georgia Bulldogs Dean is an athletic freak who has been a nightmare for offenses all season. He has made plays both as a blitzer and as a matchup weapon in coverage and earned a 90.0-plus PFF grade in both facets of play, something no other Power Five off-ball linebacker has done in a full year in the PFF College era. Dean has totaled 20 pressures — including seven sacks — on 80 rushes, along with two interceptions, two pass breakups and 10 passing stops in coverage. He did that while allowing only 61 yards on 26 targets and 224 coverage snaps.
April 28, 20241 yr 4 hours ago, EazyEaglez said: This is a great legacy pick for the Eagles, but I hope people do not raise their expectations too high too early. He will lead us to a championship & be the defensive player of the year!
April 28, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, brkmsn said: https://www.pff.com/news/college-football-2021-all-sec-team-offensive-defensive-player-of-the-year-bryce-young-alabama-nakobe-dean-georgia SEC DEFENSIVE PLAYER OF THE YEAR LB Nakobe Dean, Georgia Bulldogs Dean is an athletic freak who has been a nightmare for offenses all season. He has made plays both as a blitzer and as a matchup weapon in coverage and earned a 90.0-plus PFF grade in both facets of play, something no other Power Five off-ball linebacker has done in a full year in the PFF College era. Dean has totaled 20 pressures — including seven sacks — on 80 rushes, along with two interceptions, two pass breakups and 10 passing stops in coverage. He did that while allowing only 61 yards on 26 targets and 224 coverage snaps. Seems what I read possibly wasnt true, then again it was posted on here and had a video🤷♂️ I initially thought it was an iffy stat. Having said that last year Dean was Ranked 70th in pass coverage among ILBs. Its kind of funny because on tape hes always near guys he just has a tough time making plays on the ball because of his small frame. Im surprised you actually didnt see the dean is bad in coverage conversation on here a year or so ago, caused a big hullabaloo.
April 28, 20241 yr 4 minutes ago, Utebird said: Seems what I read possibly wasnt true, then again it was posted on here and had a video🤷♂️ I initially thought it was an iffy stat. Having said that last year Dean was Ranked 70th in pass coverage among ILBs. Its kind of funny because on tape hes always near guys he just has a tough time making plays on the ball because of his small frame. Im surprised you actually didnt see the dean is bad in coverage conversation on here a year or so ago, caused a big hullabaloo. People tend to overreact on here in favor of the negative. Dean had some struggles in coverage last season. It's pretty much expected at this level. Not being as instinctive a player as Edwards and Trotter Jr., he's just going to have to learn from experience. Fortunately he's a real life genius(IQ) and is not afraid to study film to keep learning. The worst thing about the injury last year is it puts him a little behind on that learning experience. But I'm confident he was able to review a lot of film last season while he was out and hopefully he applies what he has been able to learn this season. But as you can see around here, the people that are typically pessimistic make a big deal out of every mistake. I mean, last year Watkins didn't correctly follow a block on a 3rd and 2, lost a yard, forcing us to kick a FG in a game we won by 9 points and fans couldn't let it go. It was his only mistake all year, but it was him and so it had to be a mountain, not a molehill. I don't think there was a single person that posted something like. "Well that was a mistake that hopefully he learns from so he can help us win games moving forward." No ... it was more like, "That was another costly mistake. Cut that fool now!!!" There's no such thing as a perfect player so whenever there's a mistake there will be a portion of the fanbase just waiting to pounce on that player after it happens. So, yeah ... I see the conversations and those are typically the ones I'm drawn to replying in. I tend to refute what I feel are exaggerations.
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