April 30, 20241 yr 59 minutes ago, Cochis_Calhoun said: I think if Smith makes the roster Covey doesn't, Covey is a solid return man but that's literally his sole role, Smith is a gadget player and a better pure slot receiver as well as being a decent college returner. You may be right there bud! I mean Covey was really good as a punt returner last year and that shouldn’t be overlooked. But if they think they can find someone else who can contribute on punt returns and play on offense then that player may have the edge.
April 30, 20241 yr 2 hours ago, Cochis_Calhoun said: I think if Smith makes the roster Covey doesn't, Covey is a solid return man but that's literally his sole role, Smith is a gadget player and a better pure slot receiver as well as being a decent college returner. At 14.4 yards per return, he's better than just "solid." While that was his primary role with the team, he did play some WR as well. The problem with the Eagles the last couple seasons is the slot receiver role was not a traditional one like you would see on other offenses. I expect Moore to utilize the role more like other teams typically do. That would take better advantage of Covey's skill set on offensive snaps. Smith might be even better as a WR at the NFL level, than Covey. He'll have to prove it first. But if we just keep doing what we did while Quez was here and utilize the slot as a decoy, it won't matter as the production there will be minimal, making the PR role even more important. Covey is currently also the backup kick holder, so that's another thing we'd have to replace if he were let go.
April 30, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, brkmsn said: At 14.4 yards per return, he's better than just "solid." While that was his primary role with the team, he did play some WR as well. The problem with the Eagles the last couple seasons is the slot receiver role was not a traditional one like you would see on other offenses. I expect Moore to utilize the role more like other teams typically do. That would take better advantage of Covey's skill set on offensive snaps. Smith might be even better as a WR at the NFL level, than Covey. He'll have to prove it first. But if we just keep doing what we did while Quez was here and utilize the slot as a decoy, it won't matter as the production there will be minimal, making the PR role even more important. Covey is currently also the backup kick holder, so that's another thing we'd have to replace if he were let go. He was joint 3rd in the league and his numbers were solid, he'll return punts at a perfectly acceptable level, but he doesn't wow you with his elusiveness and his production is not so otherworldly that it would be heresy to consider moving on if there were benefits in other areas of the offense. Was it Covey outperforming his blocks last year or did we just have a good unit last year? I couldn't make a convincing case one way or the other. If he's still there returning this year so be it, truth be told I'm not much concerned either way.
April 30, 20241 yr So, can Johnny Wilson play? Does this guy have any hope besides blind optimism? can’t say I have any impression on way or the other.
May 1, 20241 yr On 4/30/2024 at 12:24 PM, EaglesAddict said: So, can Johnny Wilson play? Does this guy have any hope besides blind optimism? can’t say I have any impression on way or the other. He’s really streaky but has the necessary athletic traits, especially at his size. Had problems with drops and disappeared at times. The hope is that his "hot streak” level of play is his upside, and he can develop more consistency in that respect. Refine his route running and concentration when catching, and you might have something special. There just aren’t many guys with his size who can move at the level needed in the NFL. Definitely boom or bust in my mind. I don’t see a lot of middle ground where he’s just a solid backup as your 4th receiver and plays for 10 years, because I don’t see much STs ability (maybe blocking FGs?) and if he doesn’t get the drops under control coaches won’t trust him. Either he gets more consistent and works on refining his game, in which case I could see him becoming a dangerous player, or he doesn’t and is out of the league in a few years. Overall I like the pick. Low investment, low chance to succeed, but unique traits. Can’t ask for much more where he was picked.
May 3, 20241 yr I wonder if this guy can sit on the PS for a year to see if he fits in the slot or TE.
May 3, 20241 yr 35 minutes ago, eggs said: I wonder if this guy can sit on the PS for a year to see if he fits in the slot or TE. I doubt he makes it to the PS — his potential is too high IMO. Someone would bring him into their 53 and just not dress him on game day. Also, he is definitely not a TE. He might be big, but that’s not his game. You do not want him blocking LBs or DEs. He might line up in the slot on some specific plays, but he’s really an outside WR. You want him out wide, on an island, where his height against 6 foot and under corners is a massive mismatch. Throw fades and back should throws up high against players where he’s 6 to 8 inches taller and he can box them out or go up high and snag it. That’s where he has the potential to dominate.
May 3, 20241 yr Wilson signed his rookie contract. https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/eagles-sign-fifth-round-pick-johnny-wilson
June 1, 20241 yr On 5/22/2024 at 4:17 PM, judunno said: On paper, the guy is a prototypical lottery ticket TE conversion. When you watch him play, he's a bit more viable as an open field WR than I expected...but he also makes Zach Ertz look like Jason Peters. His length is incredible and he uses it...but he's really not that physical. Even with more weight and muscle, I wouldn't see it at TE. But the Eagles do want him at WR.
June 18, 20241 yr On 4/30/2024 at 4:53 AM, Cochis_Calhoun said: I think if Smith makes the roster Covey doesn't, Covey is a solid return man but that's literally his sole role, I'll say it again, Covey would be a terror to cover, the dumbarse coaches haven't figured that out yet, although there were reports of him getting massive separation during the recent camps which I knew would be the case after viewing his college footage. Covey can be what Edelman and Amendola were to Brady, folks need to realize that it's all about how a WR is used, Covey would be a fist down machine with his massive separation. The only problem Covey would have would be Hurts and his favoritism BS, I sure as hell hope Kellen Moore coaches that elementary BS out of him, there are other receiver on the team other than Brown and Smith.
June 18, 20241 yr 6 hours ago, EagleVA said: I'll say it again, Covey would be a terror to cover, the dumbarse coaches haven't figured that out yet, although there were reports of him getting massive separation during the recent camps which I knew would be the case after viewing his college footage. Covey can be what Edelman and Amendola were to Brady, folks need to realize that it's all about how a WR is used, Covey would be a fist down machine with his massive separation. The only problem Covey would have would be Hurts and his favoritism BS, I sure as hell hope Kellen Moore coaches that elementary BS out of him, there are other receiver on the team other than Brown and Smith. I don't see why he couldn't be a Beasley. You are right Hurts is the problem. He locks onto one person.
June 18, 20241 yr 2 hours ago, Diehardfan said: I don't see why he couldn't be a Beasley. Right, those little quick receivers are difficult to cover, you got a 3rd and 6, 8,10,look for one of those guys, they're gonna be open by a comfortable margin.
June 21, 20241 yr On 6/18/2024 at 5:48 AM, EagleVA said: Right, those little quick receivers are difficult to cover, you got a 3rd and 6, 8,10,look for one of those guys, they're gonna be open by a comfortable margin. When the Eagles O looked like dogshiat towards the end of last season and especially when they were getting blitzed to all bejesus I asked/suggested, why not put Covey in the slot then to try something new to give the offense a spark and combat the blitz.....the Eagles still haven't answered me so.......
June 21, 20241 yr 38 minutes ago, NYEagle said: When the Eagles O looked like dogshiat towards the end of last season and especially when they were getting blitzed to all bejesus I asked/suggested, why not put Covey in the slot then to try something new to give the offense a spark and combat the blitz.....the Eagles still haven't answered me so.......
June 21, 20241 yr 4 minutes ago, brkmsn said: The funny thing about all or most of these routes are they are to the outside. In a perfect scenario Moore steps in, puts Covey in the slot and if Goedert, Smith and Brown are all stretching mid to deep routes and are covered, Covey is wide open in the MIDDLE of the field doing jumping jacks for the ball.
June 21, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, NYEagle said: The funny thing about all or most of these routes are they are to the outside. In a perfect scenario Moore steps in, puts Covey in the slot and if Goedert, Smith and Brown are all stretching mid to deep routes and are covered, Covey is wide open in the MIDDLE of the field doing jumping jacks for the ball. I wonder if it's a hurts issue or a play calling issue that they avoided the middle of the field all last year. The middle of the field seems like it's been an issue since hurts started especially his 2nd year and last year.
June 22, 20241 yr 10 hours ago, Bwestbrook36 said: I wonder if it's a hurts issue or a play calling issue that they avoided the middle of the field all last year. The middle of the field seems like it's been an issue since hurts started especially his 2nd year and last year. We read a lot of things during the course of the season and it's hard to remember where we might have read one article or another. But I did read one last season that claimed Hurts did make a case for involving Covey in the offense. So that's one part. The other is that I believe that the philosophy of the offensive design was to keep the middle of the field uncluttered for the high dose of RPOs and potential QB scrambles. It worked well in 2022, but not as well last season. Clearly Moore is adding a lot to the offense --- enough new elements that to Jalen it feels like it's almost all new. This is a good thing. They should have attempted to continually add elements last season. In a way, doing what they did last season only stunted Jalen's progression as an NFL QB. I don't expect everything to be perfectly smooth now in Moore's offense, but I do believe Jalen is capable of learning more and will continue to grow as a passer. He needs to be pushed and he needs to be trusted by the coaches to grow through experience.
June 22, 20241 yr 14 hours ago, D-Shiznit said: Take it this guy's in the lead for the Nasty Nate? It's been his to lose since the moment he was drafted. No real competition.
June 28, 20241 yr On 6/1/2024 at 10:25 AM, eagle45 said: On paper, the guy is a prototypical lottery ticket TE conversion. When you watch him play, he's a bit more viable as an open field WR than I expected...but he also makes Zach Ertz look like Jason Peters. His length is incredible and he uses it...but he's really not that physical. Even with more weight and muscle, I wouldn't see it at TE. But the Eagles do want him at WR. Definitely NOT a TE conversion. His projection is as a boundary WR. Maybe someone like Plaxico Burress or Mike Evans in style. A huge WR with legit NFL athleticism and speed (not a super athlete, but average) who can dominate smaller players with his size.
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