45 minutes ago, Procus said:

dope ESP resumed posting on X and completely ignored the DJax situation like it never happened.  He continues to get eviscerated in the comments.

Guy is a member of the media.  Publicity is gold, even if it's bad publicity.  A legit reporter wouldn't duck the issue.  He'd address it head on.  The worse thing ESP can do is pretend it never happened.  Better to tackle the issue and give his side than to just ignore it.

He is a cocky idiot who tried to falsely ruin a guy's career. Do you think he gives a crap about anyone but himself? He didn't think anything would happen after posting that story so he probably doesn't think anything will now. 

On 5/17/2024 at 7:16 PM, NCTANK said:

ESP is a hater and a moron.

And somehow worse than EDP 😬

I know WIP's standards have dropped over the years but it's a joke that he is still employed by that station. He is absolutely awful.

20 hours ago, Procus said:

dope ESP resumed posting on X and completely ignored the DJax situation like it never happened.  He continues to get eviscerated in the comments.

Guy is a member of the media.  Publicity is gold, even if it's bad publicity.  A legit reporter wouldn't duck the issue.  He'd address it head on.  The worse thing ESP can do is pretend it never happened.  Better to tackle the issue and give his side than to just ignore it.

No, he's doing exactly the right thing. There's nothing for him to say. He did nothing wrong and there's nothing to apologize for. There is no situation. He co-authored a report 10 freaking years ago. Why would he even give one second to the petulant children in his comments? The second you cater to the mob, you're at their whim forever. The proper thing to do in these types of situations is to never acknowledge them. And let the morons continue to post away in your comments and waste their time.

2 hours ago, Sack that QB said:

No, he's doing exactly the right thing. There's nothing for him to say. He did nothing wrong and there's nothing to apologize for. There is no situation. He co-authored a report 10 freaking years ago. Why would he even give one second to the petulant children in his comments? The second you cater to the mob, you're at their whim forever. The proper thing to do in these types of situations is to never acknowledge them. And let the morons continue to post away in your comments and waste their time.

Incorrect.  He is a member of the media and a big story developed of which he is a part.  Be a man and address the situation - do not pretend it did not happen.

13 minutes ago, Procus said:

Incorrect.  He is a member of the media and a big story developed of which he is a part.  Be a man and address the situation - do not pretend it did not happen.

It's not a big story. It's not even a story at all. It exists entirely on social media, and a small corner of it at that. Commenting on it only fuels it. There's nothing to say. He has no obligation to justify a report he put out 10 years ago and did nothing wrong. He owes these children nothing.

14 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

It's not a big story. It's not even a story at all. It exists entirely on social media, and a small corner of it at that. Commenting on it only fuels it. There's nothing to say. He has no obligation to justify a report he put out 10 years ago and did nothing wrong. He owes these children nothing.

You are in the considerable minority among Eagles fans on this issue, so yes, it is a story whether you like it or not.

1 minute ago, Procus said:

You are in the considerable minority among Eagles fans on this issue, so yes, it is a story whether you like it or not.

I'm not, most Eagles fans haven't heard of this little spat. It only exists in a small corner of Twitter. A bunch of randos on social media being butt hurt about a 10 year old article of a media person isn't news. It's not a story. There's an outrage mob angry about something stupid on that site every single day. This is nothing new, it's par the course. He has no obligation to comment on it and he would be foolish to. It's completely manufactured and artificial(in addition to being completely misguided) and he should not give it legitimacy by commenting on it. The second he does that, he's lost. These things happen all the time to people on there, and commenting is the worst thing you can do. You aren't going to appease the psychos if you apologize, and if you don't apologize(which you shouldn't do if you did nothing wrong) then it's only going to stoke the flames.

When it comes to social media, ignorance truly is bliss. If you aren't exposed to outrage directly, it can't affect you. It's the same as it not even existing. He should continue to ignore it and they'll move on to the next fake outrage like they did with Joe Santoliquito(after they tried to kick in his front door of his apartment like the psychos they are).

1 hour ago, Procus said:

You are in the considerable minority among Eagles fans on this issue, so yes, it is a story whether you like it or not.

Let's count how many people just in this board even cared to comment on this thread...

Now I think we just figured out who the considerable minority is...

20 hours ago, HazletonEagle said:

Let's count how many people just in this board even cared to comment on this thread...

Now I think we just figured out who the considerable minority is...

It's getting a lot of pushback on Twitter.

1 hour ago, Procus said:

It's getting a lot of pushback on Twitter.

thats just an echo chamber. And thats stupid. The article stated Jackson hangs with gang members, which he admits to be true.

It was likely a Chip Kelly PR move timed right before his release which did him dirty. Thats on Chip. ESP really didnt do anything wrong there.

The article is many years old. The time to be outraged was back then. Which, many people were because they saw it as what it was- a hit piece to justify his release. Back then, the anger was more appropriately placed on Chip Kelly. Everyone saw through that tactic.

And its a shame Jackson isnt smarter than to continue associating with those people. It does reflect poorly on him. 

And, though Jackson finally spoke on it, that does not mean people have to get upset for a second time. There is really no new story here. And nothing that changes the facts we already knew. Jackson hangs out with murderers. He doesnt think theres anything wrong with it. He is an idiot. And so was Chip Kelly. 

ESP is a joke as a "reporter". But that article is probably the first and last time he wrote anything that was actually accurate.

People thinking the real world reflects the little corner of Twitter they have personally been exposed to is a phenomenon I've seen a lot of people fall for. Twitter =/= real life, and in this case it's an infinitesimal corner of the site to begin with. A bunch of perpetually online 12 year olds who do nothing but post on social media all day foaming at the mouth at ESP because they have no lives are no indicative of the larger reality in that it's a story next to no one cares about.

No matter what the two of you think, ESP is a third rate hack, and DJax, while not a model citizen, was a borderline HOF talent receiver who got his Eagles career cut short with a helping hand from this hack writer.

What a scumbag to make up a story like this and defame someone.

That said, I’ve met a few of his Eagles teammates from around that time and heard some pretty wild stories about Jackson.

I think Chip would have gotten rid of him anyway because Kelly wanted to do the sports science, hyper football focus approach in all aspects of the organization and that just wasn’t Jackson. 

1 hour ago, TEW said:

What a scumbag to make up a story like this and defame someone.

That said, I’ve met a few of his Eagles teammates from around that time and heard some pretty wild stories about Jackson.

I think Chip would have gotten rid of him anyway because Kelly wanted to do the sports science, hyper football focus approach in all aspects of the organization and that just wasn’t Jackson. 

the story wasnt made up at all.

2 hours ago, HazletonEagle said:

the story wasnt made up at all.

Let me just get straight to the point because I’ve personally spoken with multiple players on the team and they all said the same thing: the problem was obscene marijuana use that coincided with relatively minor — but repeated — disturbances at his home involving neighbors etc. late at night/early morning that the team had to deal with.

Kelly wanted a team with only MJ/Kobe type mentalities.

That’s it. That’s the reason. It had nothing to do with gang association.

DeSean said ESP's article played a part in him getting cut and there's no evidence of that whatsoever. It's completely baseless. If anything, DeSean should apologize to ESP for such an assertion. Also, the idea that Big Dom--who is the GOAT at discovering the secrets of a player's past and character-- didn't already know about DeSean's background and inner circle, but ESP did is laughable. Chip knew of this stuff, he cut him because he thought DeSean was immature and didn't follow his rules.

3 hours ago, TEW said:

Let me just get straight to the point because I’ve personally spoken with multiple players on the team and they all said the same thing: the problem was obscene marijuana use that coincided with relatively minor — but repeated — disturbances at his home involving neighbors etc. late at night/early morning that the team had to deal with.

Kelly wanted a team with only MJ/Kobe type mentalities.

That’s it. That’s the reason. It had nothing to do with gang association.

I believe you. But ESP's story wasnt made up. It was likely timed from the team to justify his release but there was nothing untrue in there. ESP didnt just make something up to defame him for the heck of it. His story was legit. 

Im sure there were plenty of other issues with DeSean. Dont forget he fell to round 2 based on character concerns. 

On 5/25/2024 at 9:43 AM, Sack that QB said:

I'm not, most Eagles fans haven't heard of this little spat. It only exists in a small corner of Twitter. A bunch of randos on social media being butt hurt about a 10 year old article of a media person isn't news. It's not a story. There's an outrage mob angry about something stupid on that site every single day. This is nothing new, it's par the course. He has no obligation to comment on it and he would be foolish to. It's completely manufactured and artificial(in addition to being completely misguided) and he should not give it legitimacy by commenting on it. The second he does that, he's lost. These things happen all the time to people on there, and commenting is the worst thing you can do. You aren't going to appease the psychos if you apologize, and if you don't apologize(which you shouldn't do if you did nothing wrong) then it's only going to stoke the flames.

When it comes to social media, ignorance truly is bliss. If you aren't exposed to outrage directly, it can't affect you. It's the same as it not even existing. He should continue to ignore it and they'll move on to the next fake outrage like they did with Joe Santoliquito(after they tried to kick in his front door of his apartment like the psychos they are).

I think you're wrong here, and I think your disdain of social media is fueling it. You need to understand something. If you've ever criticized media sensationalism in your entire life, and judging by your rhetoric you probably have, than ESP did something wrong. Problem is, he did something wrong that a lot of people in media do, so we're used to it. He engineered a report that is essentially meaningless and spun it into meaning something. That behavior is coming home to roost.

You disliking social media mentality has nothing to do with whether or not ESP is wrong for the article or not. They're two completely separate issues. But in my opinion, if you openly solicit a following, and use it for monetary gain, then you having to deal with what happens when you upset that following is par for the course. If you can't handle that, don't solicit a following. I'd feel differently if it was that he got one unwittingly or didn't use it for monetary gain. But he does, so that standard applies.

I acknowledge the mob mentality and acknowledge it's unhealthy. It's not really about psychos though. It's about consumer squeeze and people feeling less in control of their lives than ever. So they take it out online. Pretty sad, but it is what it is.

1 hour ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

I think you're wrong here, and I think your disdain of social media is fueling it. You need to understand something. If you've ever criticized media sensationalism in your entire life, and judging by your rhetoric you probably have, than ESP did something wrong. Problem is, he did something wrong that a lot of people in media do, so we're used to it. He engineered a report that is essentially meaningless and spun it into meaning something. That behavior is coming home to roost.

You disliking social media mentality has nothing to do with whether or not ESP is wrong for the article or not. They're two completely separate issues. But in my opinion, if you openly solicit a following, and use it for monetary gain, then you having to deal with what happens when you upset that following is par for the course. If you can't handle that, don't solicit a following. I'd feel differently if it was that he got one unwittingly or didn't use it for monetary gain. But he does, so that standard applies.

I acknowledge the mob mentality and acknowledge it's unhealthy. It's not really about psychos though. It's about consumer squeeze and people feeling less in control of their lives than ever. So they take it out online. Pretty sad, but it is what it is.

Who said he cant handle it? He has handled it appropriately by not responding.

3 hours ago, HazletonEagle said:

I believe you. But ESP's story wasnt made up. It was likely timed from the team to justify his release but there was nothing untrue in there. ESP didnt just make something up to defame him for the heck of it. His story was legit. 

Im sure there were plenty of other issues with DeSean. Dont forget he fell to round 2 based on character concerns. 

It was definitely made up. They made him out to be a gang associate. He wasn’t. ESP is supposed to be a journalist. You can’t be ruining someone’s reputation like that by leaning into a narrative without significant evidence.

And no, owning a music label that signed someone charged with a crime doesn’t make you a gang associate.

This is why people hate the media.

 

3 minutes ago, TEW said:

It was definitely made up. They made him out to be a gang associate. He wasn’t. ESP is supposed to be a journalist. You can’t be ruining someone’s reputation like that by leaning into a narrative without significant evidence.

And no, owning a music label that signed someone charged with a crime doesn’t make you a gang associate.

This is why people hate the media.

 

 

Did it directly accuse him of being an active gang banger? I dont think it went that far. Anything less than that is true. He hung out with gang members. Admitted that on the podcast that drummed it all up again. Everyone knew that already with his crip walk TD celebration. Flashing gang signs at DeAngelo Hall... he made made no attempts to keep his gang ties a secret. 

2 hours ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

I think you're wrong here, and I think your disdain of social media is fueling it. You need to understand something. If you've ever criticized media sensationalism in your entire life, and judging by your rhetoric you probably have, than ESP did something wrong. Problem is, he did something wrong that a lot of people in media do, so we're used to it. He engineered a report that is essentially meaningless and spun it into meaning something. That behavior is coming home to roost.

You disliking social media mentality has nothing to do with whether or not ESP is wrong for the article or not. They're two completely separate issues. But in my opinion, if you openly solicit a following, and use it for monetary gain, then you having to deal with what happens when you upset that following is par for the course. If you can't handle that, don't solicit a following. I'd feel differently if it was that he got one unwittingly or didn't use it for monetary gain. But he does, so that standard applies.

I acknowledge the mob mentality and acknowledge it's unhealthy. It's not really about psychos though. It's about consumer squeeze and people feeling less in control of their lives than ever. So they take it out online. Pretty sad, but it is what it is.

He didn't do anything wrong. Writers/journalists are allowed to write and report on any topic they desire. Two things can be true: you can think an article is stupid or pointless and a writer has every right to put out a piece on said subject matter. Right or wrong in this case = him breaking either libel laws or journalistic code of ethics, of which he broke neither.

I don't care about ESP getting criticism for his piece. That has no relevance to me. Criticize the piece all anyone wants, I don't care. I personally thought it was a stupid piece that was a waste of time too. I care about DeSean demanding he apologize and people demanding he be fired from his job. That's wrong. It's someone's livelihood and that amounts to someone making their personal disdain about ESP into something personal and trying to destroy the man's ability to earn a living. That is wrong. In this case, that is what the "chickens come home to roost" has amounted to, and that is not good. We see this a lot now and it's a bad trend to be setting. Joe Santoliquito had his front door kicked in over his Carson Wentz piece and received death threats. We've seen where this type of mentality can go left unchecked.

I would not care if this was just people going "ESP's piece was stupid and a waste of time." Where I take issue is where people demand he apologize or be fired. And I don't care who it is, I will defend someone, even people I am not a fan of, if I feel they are in the right.

7 hours ago, TEW said:

Let me just get straight to the point because I’ve personally spoken with multiple players on the team and they all said the same thing: the problem was obscene marijuana use that coincided with relatively minor — but repeated — disturbances at his home involving neighbors etc. late at night/early morning that the team had to deal with.

Kelly wanted a team with only MJ/Kobe type mentalities.

That’s it. That’s the reason. It had nothing to do with gang association.

What Kelly didn't get is that the great players can get away with bad behavior.  If there's a backup, a guy on the bubble, you can run a tighter ship and be quicker with a release. But this is the pros, and that was the price you had to pay for what he gave you on the field.  Not only did he give you arguably the best deep threat in the game - he also opened up the entire field underneath.  He created significant mismatches that other players couldn't.  When he was on the field and on his game, he revved up the offense.  You do what it takes to keep a guy like that in this league.  Reid understood that.  Kelly didn't.