25 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

It goes back to the Eagles though, because they’re the ones who forced Siriani (just like they forced Doug) to panic and change those new coordinators. Didn’t allow these guys to develop and grow. Both coordinators were young and new on the job. That’s why none of this made sense to begin with. You either fire Sirianni or you let him have control over his own staff. The Eagles FO is a bit too meddlesome when it comes to this. 

Not to question the validity of your point, but where does this stuff about a meddlesome FO come from? I´m just curious, I´ve never seen anything but then I´m not familiar with Philly media over here

Make Moore interim if we lose next 2

1 minute ago, kiwinavega said:

Not to question the validity of your point, but where does this stuff about a meddlesome FO come from? I´m just curious, I´ve never seen anything but then I´m not familiar with Philly media over here

Since Chip Kelly was booted out, Roseman and Lurie have had a lot of say in who the head coach has on their staff. Schwartz was hired before Doug. People might not remember this, but before the SB run the rumors were that Schwartz was plotting to take the job from Doug. After the SB season Doug lost Reich and hired from within. Around 2020 Doug was forced to hire a series of coaches and coordinators (who couldn’t even be in the same room as each other because of Covid) and it was a disaster. The Eagles FO wanted to meddle some more with Doug’s coordinators, but he had enough and they fired him. This season Howie hired Sirianni’s coordinators. The Eagles like to hide their meddling by calling it a "collaborative effort,” but let’s be honest. If Sirianni didn’t play ball they would have fired him and replaced him with someone else who would.

16 hours ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

So he's a cheerleader enough to be made fun of, but not enough that things are the fault of the actual people that do them. Everyone acted like he had no job and did nothing, but now he does something.

I dunno. Sounds like people don't have integrity and are bending their positions to whatever is convenient for the narrative. I wouldn't get on people so much if they took clear positions and actually stuck with them rather than being wishy-washy constantly and wanting to win both sides of the narrative.

Is it not all "wishy washy” to begin with? Sirianni is the one who said this is Moore’s offense and he’s the overseer of everything. Okay let’s say Moore made the call to pass, but Sirianni is the overseer of everything so he could easily have said just run it. The thing is we don’t really know who’s in charge of what. The analytics guys could have told them to pass down all we know. That’s how over complicated the Eagles have made this. No one really knows who’s in charge. How can any of us expect this to work? 

16 hours ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

So he's a cheerleader enough to be made fun of, but not enough that things are the fault of the actual people that do them. Everyone acted like he had no job and did nothing, but now he does something.

I dunno. Sounds like people don't have integrity and are bending their positions to whatever is convenient for the narrative. I wouldn't get on people so much if they took clear positions and actually stuck with them rather than being wishy-washy constantly and wanting to win both sides of the narrative.

Well who are you directing that toward? You're replying to me. I never complained he has to call the plays, I'm one who acknowledged that head coaches don't have to call the plays. They don't call the plays on defense either and no one ever complains about that. But the HC who doesn't call plays, has a job to do still. I complained last year that during the collapse, the HEAD coach didn't change a damn thing about the team. They continued "the standard" as the ship was sinking. And so far we're seeing more of the same.

New coordinators, you expect some adjustment time to the new plays and scheme. But Nick still makes decisions such as when to go for it on 4th down or kick the FG. He works with the coaches on the game plan and strategy. When the defense sucks that bad, what is the head coach doing about it? Just sitting there waiting to call timeout or throw the challenge flag? Or is he actively involved in what's happening on the field?

Plus, what is your argument then about what Nick is doing vs the coordinators? Which parts of the coaching are you giving credit/blame to Nick for doing, and which to Fangio and Moore? I could argue that you're doing the opposite of what you're criticizing: blaming the coordinators for the play calls and Nick has no accountability? They all are accountable. Moore has to own the play design and calls, Fangio has to own the scheme and play designs, Nick has to own it ALL as the HEAD coach over everything. They are all responsible for the product they put on the field. 

Thanks for replying Eazy. Appreciate it. That to me sounds like there´s an accountability gap. I´ve seen it in places I´ve worked. When that happens nothing works properly. Not saying that´s the case here, and I still think there´s a lot of overreaction about this loss, but it would explain some problems 

If he doesn’t get 1st round bye or win a playoff game I can’t imagine he gets to stick around. 
 

Keep Moore, find a new defensive philosophy, and a balanced coach who cares about physicality and using our advantages against the other team until they prove they can stop it. 

9 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

Is it not all "wishy washy” to begin with? Sirianni is the one who said this is Moore’s offense and he’s the overseer of everything. Okay let’s say Moore made the call to pass, but Sirianni is the overseer of everything so he could easily have said just run it. The thing is we don’t really know who’s in charge of what. The analytics guys could have told them to pass down all we know. That’s how over complicated the Eagles have made this. No one really knows who’s in charge. How can any of us expect this to work? 

Didn't stop people from insisting he's simply to be a cheerleader all offseason though when they though Moore was going to solve all of the problems! So yes, it's very wishy washy. Pick a stance and stick to it.

9 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

It goes back to the Eagles though, because they’re the ones who forced Siriani (just like they forced Doug) to panic and change those new coordinators. Didn’t allow these guys to develop and grow. Both coordinators were young and new on the job. That’s why none of this made sense to begin with. You either fire Sirianni or you let him have control over his own staff. The Eagles FO is a bit too meddlesome when it comes to this. 

Yep. This kind of thing screams FO issues. It's a top down thing.

22 minutes ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

Yep. This kind of thing screams FO issues. It's a top down thing.

But if that's the case, it sure is useful to have someone down the chain of command to take the fall.

9 hours ago, kiwinavega said:

Thanks for replying Eazy. Appreciate it. That to me sounds like there´s an accountability gap. I´ve seen it in places I´ve worked. When that happens nothing works properly. Not saying that´s the case here, and I still think there´s a lot of overreaction about this loss, but it would explain some problems 

The thing to keep in mind is that fans can only speculate about the things they don't know. There will be no shortage of theories and conspiracies about unknowns. It's not hard to see that many people have certain "targets" they want to point the finger at for a loss or a struggle during a win. Win or lose, a gripe is getting served. There are a lot of baseless accusations that get a lot more discourse than they should.

13 hours ago, brkmsn said:

I thought Moore was supposedly going to come in here with all these weapons and have tremendous success to the degree that our biggest worry was another team signing him away and being stuck with Nick as the head coach. Moore called the plays. But it wasn't 5 passes and out. We opened with a pass for a 1st down. Next play was a play action pass to Covey nullified by a penalty. Then Hurts kept it on a read option. Then a short pass to Covey followed by a designed QB draw on 3rd and 9. 

Not a great 1st series, but I liked the idea in this game to reestablish Hurts as a dual threat and it did pay off the rest of the game. 

So, you're mad because Barkley was nothing but a decoy on our 1st possession. We used him in the game, though, right? He had 22 carries for 95 yards rushing and 4 catches for 21 yards receiving, a two point conversion, and that unfortunate drop on his 5th target. 

We have one of the Best offensive lines, and Super good RB. I want 50 percent of the plays to be a running play in all games... I want Eagles to force , to smash competition in the mouth. I want Eagles to attack the flanks just like New Orleans is doing with RBs. I am tired of the gimmicky plays that do not work..WR screens??? WTF

Speaking about beginning of the game. Andy always had a script of the first plays to get the team into the rhythm. WTF did we have? We should have had  a  few running plays just to come the offense down in the beginning. Instead...more decisions are put on QB. Instead of simplifying what we were promised...More of the same.

Short passing that was not practiced extensively will result in drops  and misses. That is the only thing that Eagles have proved to me. Besides Barkley we have other RBs that could have been involved. Siri ran the same offense before Steichen took over. Deja Vu.

Sirianni: "I'm such a clever coach I outsmart myself!"

35 minutes ago, Traveler Vic said:

We have one of the Best offensive lines, and Super good RB. I want 50 percent of the plays to be a running play in all games... I want Eagles to force , to smash competition in the mouth. I want Eagles to attack the flanks just like New Orleans is doing with RBs. I am tired of the gimmicky plays that do not work..WR screens??? WTF

Speaking about beginning of the game. Andy always had a script of the first plays to get the team into the rhythm. WTF did we have? We should have had  a  few running plays just to come the offense down in the beginning. Instead...more decisions are put on QB. Instead of simplifying what we were promised...More of the same.

Short passing that was not practiced extensively will result in drops  and misses. That is the only thing that Eagles have proved to me. Besides Barkley we have other RBs that could have been involved. Siri ran the same offense before Steichen took over. Deja Vu.

We attempted 30 passes and rushed 37 times. In week one, we attempted 34 passes and rushed 38 times. 

 

Here was Andy Reid's script for the Eagles:

1st down --- pass

2nd and short --- pass

2nd and long --- RB draw

3rd and long --- pass

3rd and short --- pass

3rd and impossible --- RB draw

 

When Sirianni called the plays in 2021, we ran 164 times and passed 243 times --- so we passed 60% of the time. So far under Moore, we have run 54% of the time. I have no idea how you are concluding this (Moore's offense) is the same thing Sirianni ran in 2021.

45 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

We attempted 30 passes and rushed 37 times. In week one, we attempted 34 passes and rushed 38 times. 

 

Here was Andy Reid's script for the Eagles:

1st down --- pass

2nd and short --- pass

2nd and long --- RB draw

3rd and long --- pass

3rd and short --- pass

3rd and impossible --- RB draw

 

When Sirianni called the plays in 2021, we ran 164 times and passed 243 times --- so we passed 60% of the time. So far under Moore, we have run 54% of the time. I have no idea how you are concluding this (Moore's offense) is the same thing Sirianni ran in 2021.

Subtract all the QB runs, qb designed runs from the Running game statistics. I want the ball in the RB hands.

Something is seriously wrong when your QB, is consistently one of the leading rushers.

All these heroic runs by Hurts are entertaining, but this is not a sustainable philosophy. 
we paid Barkley the money…Let him earn his paycheck. I want to see the ball in his hands.

15 hours ago, toughfighter83 said:

im sorry, is nick more important than seeing this team win? because if this team does sink to the bottom, he has to go, they cant bring him back or else players are going to want out. super bowl in 2022 doesnt not excuse of what he's doing right now, he's losing the locker room that's the difference right now. cant waste talent over someone you can easily replace.

I see Nick talking to the team in the locker room, and I see players tuning him out or not even paying attention.  He lost the locker room from what I can see, and once that happens, it's almost impossible to get back in the player's good graces.  I just don't think he's respected.

Siri was never right for the job.  Not a good offensive mind.  Not a good coaching background.  He was hired in large part because the NFL was going through a youth movement in the coaching ranks.

On 9/11/2024 at 11:37 PM, Traveler Vic said:

I always had respect for Steichen.. Same for Gannon. Did not share those sentiments.

I'm at the point where I'm thinking that Siri was basically riding the coattails of Steichen and Gannon.  Once they left, the wheels started to fall off

52 minutes ago, Traveler Vic said:

Subtract all the QB runs, qb designed runs from the Running game statistics. I want the ball in the RB hands.

Something is seriously wrong when your QB, is consistently one of the leading rushers.

All these heroic runs by Hurts are entertaining, but this is not a sustainable philosophy. 
we paid Barkley the money…Let him earn his paycheck. I want to see the ball in his hands.

I could also add all the sacks to the passing attempts.

People still with the "unsustainable" bit .... If it really isn't "sustainable" then all these QB runs should make you happy. It's just that much sooner you'll get a different QB since dual threat QBs aren't your cup of tea. Barkley makes pennies compared to Hurts. I'm fine with Hurts earning his money too. 

28 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

I could also add all the sacks to the passing attempts.

People still with the "unsustainable" bit .... If it really isn't "sustainable" then all these QB runs should make you happy. It's just that much sooner you'll get a different QB since dual threat QBs aren't your cup of tea. Barkley makes pennies compared to Hurts. I'm fine with Hurts earning his money too. 

Siri is not my cup of tea. I  would not mind a good coach mixing in some of the QB  run calls....Because if I have faith in the coach..it makes all the difference. I have No faith in Siri. 

3 hours ago, Procus said:

I'm at the point where I'm thinking that Siri was basically riding the coattails of Steichen and Gannon.  Once they left, the wheels started to fall off

When Siri gave up play calling the offense finally started to move. When he meddled last season the offense became stagnant. 

nick post monday night 

7 hours ago, Procus said:

I'm at the point where I'm thinking that Siri was basically riding the coattails of Steichen and Gannon.  Once they left, the wheels started to fall off

Exhibit A. Are we doing the Frank Reich thing all over again?

Counterpoint. How about this because some people seem to have a hard time understanding this. Sometimes groups of people are better together than they are apart. Neither Doug nor Frank Reich were the architect of the 2018 Super Bowl, the combination of the two of them were.

I know old school mentality has a really terrible time understanding that every situation of success doesn't have to do with an individual being 'the guy', and can be the result of a team effort, but that is actually very possible.

4 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

When Siri gave up play calling the offense finally started to move. When he meddled last season the offense became stagnant. 

Okay but he gave it up again and what happened, happened. In fact, he actually got flack because he was honest about him not meddling. And now people want him to meddle even though most of the offseason they lamented that he'd 'just meddle anyway'. Nobody's interested in taking a position with Sirianni, they just argue whatever's convenient for their arguments. It's actually really obnoxious.

21 hours ago, DawkinsOwnage03 said:

Make Moore interim if we lose next 2

So. You saw the offensive performance against Atlanta, with the talent we have, and then you saw Moore's play call and the result, and your reaction is to make him interim? That's your honest reaction?

I've seen literally nothing that would make me want Moore as interim so far. Jalen's performances haven't been good. The gameplan was still full of QB run calls. Sirianni got flack for having him run too much last year. Moore should too this year. WRs weren't getting open despite us having good talent there and Atlanta not exactly being sound defensively. Wasn't Moore supposed to 'scheme people open' because he has 'much greater X's and O's than Sirianni?'

Where'd all of that go? I certainly didn't see it while the offense was being pancaked for most of the first half. Jalen still isn't throwing people open even with the staff changes and being asked to not meddle. What's going on there? Man can't use Goedert correctly to save his life.

I'm sorry but exactly 0 of these things make me want to give Moore interim HC. Now mind you this is pointless because the Eagles fanbase is still all up in their feelings so rational points like these don't matter, but there's literally nothing that makes me think that's a good idea.

1 hour ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

So. You saw the offensive performance against Atlanta, with the talent we have, and then you saw Moore's play call and the result, and your reaction is to make him interim? That's your honest reaction?

I've seen literally nothing that would make me want Moore as interim so far. Jalen's performances haven't been good. The gameplan was still full of QB run calls. Sirianni got flack for having him run too much last year. Moore should too this year. WRs weren't getting open despite us having good talent there and Atlanta not exactly being sound defensively. Wasn't Moore supposed to 'scheme people open' because he has 'much greater X's and O's than Sirianni?'

Where'd all of that go? I certainly didn't see it while the offense was being pancaked for most of the first half. Jalen still isn't throwing people open even with the staff changes and being asked to not meddle. What's going on there? Man can't use Goedert correctly to save his life.

I'm sorry but exactly 0 of these things make me want to give Moore interim HC. Now mind you this is pointless because the Eagles fanbase is still all up in their feelings so rational points like these don't matter, but there's literally nothing that makes me think that's a good idea.

Stop sucking siriani's dick - the guy is a dope.