Bit harsh, the guy´s entitled to his opinion

1 hour ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

Okay but he gave it up again and what happened, happened. In fact, he actually got flack because he was honest about him not meddling.

See my problem is this… when Sirianni has been involved in the offense it’s been bad. When he’s not it’s been better and at times even really good. So he doesn’t help the offense and when he’s hands off it tends to get better? So what does he do? He’s the HC and yet I’m not sure anyone really knows or can see what he does.

1 hour ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

Okay but he gave it up again and what happened, happened. In fact, he actually got flack because he was honest about him not meddling. And now people want him to meddle even though most of the offseason they lamented that he'd 'just meddle anyway'. Nobody's interested in taking a position with Sirianni, they just argue whatever's convenient for their arguments. It's actually really obnoxious.

What is his responsibilities if he can’t determine the flow of the game? Is he only there to throw the challenge flag? I mean how can that lack of responsibility be defended? Is he just there to be head coach by name only? Look if this team wins the SB this season despite everything Sirianni will get the credit and he probably will get an extension. So if he’s going to get the credit then how can he not get the criticism, because the overall operation of this team is on him… Well it’s ultimately on Howie, but you get what I mean. Last season Sirianni couldn’t get this team out of the spiral and it got so bad that players started making their on plays on the field. Now we are seeing some of the same issues that dogged them last season creep up. New coordinators, but same issues. How is that on anyone other than Howie and Sirianni? 

6 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

See my problem is this… when Sirianni has been involved in the offense it’s been bad. When he’s not it’s been better and at times even really good. So he doesn’t help the offense and when he’s hands off it tends to get better? So what does he do? He’s the HC and yet I’m not sure anyone really knows or can see what he does.

Also the penalties and the turnovers. It’s overall poor execution. How many illegal man down field penalties are we going to get? How is that not on the head coach? He’s the one who controls the practices right? How can anyone give Sirianni any passes for poor execution? 

1 hour ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

So. You saw the offensive performance against Atlanta, with the talent we have, and then you saw Moore's play call and the result, and your reaction is to make him interim? That's your honest reaction?

I've seen literally nothing that would make me want Moore as interim so far. Jalen's performances haven't been good. The gameplan was still full of QB run calls. Sirianni got flack for having him run too much last year. Moore should too this year. WRs weren't getting open despite us having good talent there and Atlanta not exactly being sound defensively. Wasn't Moore supposed to 'scheme people open' because he has 'much greater X's and O's than Sirianni?'

Where'd all of that go? I certainly didn't see it while the offense was being pancaked for most of the first half. Jalen still isn't throwing people open even with the staff changes and being asked to not meddle. What's going on there? Man can't use Goedert correctly to save his life.

I'm sorry but exactly 0 of these things make me want to give Moore interim HC. Now mind you this is pointless because the Eagles fanbase is still all up in their feelings so rational points like these don't matter, but there's literally nothing that makes me think that's a good idea.

Is Sirianni not in charge of practices? How is it on anyone else but him if guys are getting penalized for poor execution of plays? 

6 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

Also the penalties and the turnovers. It’s overall poor execution. How many illegal man down field penalties are we going to get? How is that not on the head coach? He’s the one who controls the practices right? How can anyone give Sirianni any passes for poor execution? 

Absolutely! If he’s not calling the plays on offense and if he’s not as involved in the offense then yes discipline and readiness need to be what he excels at. If he’s not doing those things then he’s not doing a lot at all.

1 minute ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Absolutely! If he’s not calling the plays on offense and if he’s not as involved in the offense then yes discipline and readiness need to be what he excels at. If he’s not doing those things then he’s not doing a lot at all.

Yep! This team shouldn’t have so many drives of 1-15 because of a stupid man down field penalty. How about the poor tackling fundamentals still? I saw so many missed tackles in that Falcons game. How is this still a problem? That’s not on the play caller. That’s on the coaches poor practices.

I could not believe what I was seeing on D- last year all over again, even with Fangio as the DC. You mean to tell me Fangio can't get these guys to tackle? Then these players on D are beyond hope. I thought Fangio had the answers. Sure doesn't look like it.

40 minutes ago, Talonblood said:

I could not believe what I was seeing on D- last year all over again, even with Fangio as the DC. You mean to tell me Fangio can't get these guys to tackle? Then these players on D are beyond hope. I thought Fangio had the answers. Sure doesn't look like it.

There’s another possibility at play here… Maybe our defense just isn’t very good? And so it isn’t just the DC but the fact we lack talent. 

I mean if we really look at this… We all hope Carter is a legit stud but so far he’s flashed and that’s all. Davis in to year 3 has been a bust. We all had concerns with Huff and Smith hasn’t shown anything since we drafted him. That leaves BG at the end of his career, Williams who yeah he’s a nice rotational player and Sweat.

We all hoped our LBs would be better but it was just hope. Baun isn’t exactly a stud in the league and Dean has struggled since we drafted him.

And then at S we have Blankenship who is bang average at best. CJGJ who’s a good player and makes plays but can’t tackle. A rookie CB and Slay who’s another year older and showed signs last year that he may be declining.

Quite simply the defense just isn’t that good. There’s young potential in Mitchell and Carter but that’s about it.

2022: Siri was calling the plays and the offense sputtered and they weren't running the ball enough. Steichen took over play calling, the offense excelled.

2023: We were never sure who to blame, Siri or BJ. 

2024: Moore was brought in to take over the offense and take what worked in the past and mix it in with what he does. In the offseason, Moore said Nick wasn't even in the offensive meeting most of the time and that he would "pop in" at times. 

There is nothing wrong with a HC who doesn't call the offensive plays, other teams do it and the HC has other responsibilities. But nevertheless, the HEAD coach is responsible for everything with the team. That includes getting on Fangio's stubborn grumpy ass and making him adjust because his defense has been awful so far.

The CEO Head Coach model is supposed to free up the HC to focus on game management - that aspect has failed. Nick made decisions that cost them the game. Hurts was playing well until the last minute desperate INT. Barkley rushed for 95 yards and had 24 carries which was a good workload. It was a close game that came down to decisions by the head coach.

I don't mind them throwing a pass to Barkley. You run that 100 more times and he catches it every time probably. I would have run to the outside to eat clock, but I understand the decision to try and trick the defense with a pass. That one play wasn't the worst thing. The 4th down situations throughout, and the defense cost them the game truly.

Last year Nick as the head coach did nothing to stop the sinking ship. So we're looking for him to lead and make better decisions. It started with not playing starters in preseason again, and them being rusty and unprepared, again.

2 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

Is Sirianni not in charge of practices? How is it on anyone else but him if guys are getting penalized for poor execution of plays? 

This is a really bizarre take. It's actually so bizarre that I almost don't know how to address it.

So your take is, because Sirianni runs practice, the poor play calling performance is...Sirianni's fault? I hate to break it to you, but for the same reason people felt Sirianni's situational play calling was bad last year and that's why people weren't getting open, the same applies to Moore. It doesn't suddenly shift to execution but the plays are good just because the play-caller changed.

Sirianni doesn't coach Jalen, nor does he run the offense. Once again, where was the scheming people open? If anything, it seemed like he didn't scheme very many people open at all.

2 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

What is his responsibilities if he can’t determine the flow of the game? Is he only there to throw the challenge flag? I mean how can that lack of responsibility be defended? Is he just there to be head coach by name only? Look if this team wins the SB this season despite everything Sirianni will get the credit and he probably will get an extension. So if he’s going to get the credit then how can he not get the criticism, because the overall operation of this team is on him… Well it’s ultimately on Howie, but you get what I mean. Last season Sirianni couldn’t get this team out of the spiral and it got so bad that players started making their on plays on the field. Now we are seeing some of the same issues that dogged them last season creep up. New coordinators, but same issues. How is that on anyone other than Howie and Sirianni? 

This isn't a point. People called him a cheerleader all offseason. This doesn't change now because there's blame to go around. Also, winning a SB is probably the only way the fanbase will give him any credit. He's the highest winning percentage coach in Eagles history but I don't think I've seen a more hated Eagles coach since the 90's.

As for the issues. Sirianni as stated removed himself from the core process of the offense. It's Moore's offense. He makes the play calls. He made the super awful play call. He made the play calls in which players weren't being schemed open. It's his scheme. All of the things people asked for, other than firing Sirianni, were changed on offense. And the offense still doesn't look good. Maybe the real issue is elsewhere?

Could it be the QB who, for some reason, seems to get these QB runs inserted into the offense no matter who is coaching him? Or who has grown a trend of throwing bad picks in clutch situations recently? Why is he not throwing on time anymore?

Me personally, if I saw a QB on any other team with this much talent, seeming to struggle to throw the football, my first thought is going to be the QB. Because there's like 30 other QBs in the NFL that would love to have the weaponry Jalen Hurts has. They replaced the scheme too, so that's not it. They replaced the person running the scheme too.

What does that leave?

2 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

See my problem is this… when Sirianni has been involved in the offense it’s been bad. When he’s not it’s been better and at times even really good. So he doesn’t help the offense and when he’s hands off it tends to get better? So what does he do? He’s the HC and yet I’m not sure anyone really knows or can see what he does.

I mean right now we have a substantial offensive talent upgrade and it still kinda sucks. I'm not really seeing where Moore is getting more out of guys so far. It's only 2 games in but I'm not seeing the jump at all yet. In fact, some parts look even worse, at least at similar parts in the year.

13 minutes ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

This isn't a point. People called him a cheerleader all offseason. This doesn't change now because there's blame to go around. Also, winning a SB is probably the only way the fanbase will give him any credit. He's the highest winning percentage coach in Eagles history but I don't think I've seen a more hated Eagles coach since the 90's.

As for the issues. Sirianni as stated removed himself from the core process of the offense. It's Moore's offense. He makes the play calls. He made the super awful play call. He made the play calls in which players weren't being schemed open. It's his scheme. All of the things people asked for, other than firing Sirianni, were changed on offense. And the offense still doesn't look good. Maybe the real issue is elsewhere?

Could it be the QB who, for some reason, seems to get these QB runs inserted into the offense no matter who is coaching him? Or who has grown a trend of throwing bad picks in clutch situations recently? Why is he not throwing on time anymore?

Me personally, if I saw a QB on any other team with this much talent, seeming to struggle to throw the football, my first thought is going to be the QB. Because there's like 30 other QBs in the NFL that would love to have the weaponry Jalen Hurts has. They replaced the scheme too, so that's not it. They replaced the person running the scheme too.

What does that leave?

He said that they discuss the game plan all week, so he knows exactly how the co ordinators are gonna do on the day. This means he must be ok with it and ultimately, is responsible for what happens on the field. You're purely focusing on the offence, but there are many other factors. to name a few.

Bad decision making in games - this happened last year also with different co ordinators. siriani decides if they go for it on 4th down or kick the points.

Did nothing to stop the rot last year during that terrible run.

The dim witted responses to Pressers.

The stupid t shirts

The soft camps

Constantly screwing his face up on the sidelines like a spoilt man child

a seeming lack of tactics/knowledge

 

 

53 minutes ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

This isn't a point. People called him a cheerleader all offseason. This doesn't change now because there's blame to go around. Also, winning a SB is probably the only way the fanbase will give him any credit. He's the highest winning percentage coach in Eagles history but I don't think I've seen a more hated Eagles coach since the 90's.

As for the issues. Sirianni as stated removed himself from the core process of the offense. It's Moore's offense. He makes the play calls. He made the super awful play call. He made the play calls in which players weren't being schemed open. It's his scheme. All of the things people asked for, other than firing Sirianni, were changed on offense. And the offense still doesn't look good. Maybe the real issue is elsewhere?

Could it be the QB who, for some reason, seems to get these QB runs inserted into the offense no matter who is coaching him? Or who has grown a trend of throwing bad picks in clutch situations recently? Why is he not throwing on time anymore?

Me personally, if I saw a QB on any other team with this much talent, seeming to struggle to throw the football, my first thought is going to be the QB. Because there's like 30 other QBs in the NFL that would love to have the weaponry Jalen Hurts has. They replaced the scheme too, so that's not it. They replaced the person running the scheme too.

What does that leave?

Name what Siri does, and which parts he does well. In this entire argument you've just called other fans hypocrites, blamed Moore and Hurts. So what do you like about Siri and what specifically is he doing that you like?

 

1 hour ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

This isn't a point. People called him a cheerleader all offseason. This doesn't change now because there's blame to go around. Also, winning a SB is probably the only way the fanbase will give him any credit. He's the highest winning percentage coach in Eagles history but I don't think I've seen a more hated Eagles coach since the 90's.

As for the issues. Sirianni as stated removed himself from the core process of the offense. It's Moore's offense. He makes the play calls. He made the super awful play call. He made the play calls in which players weren't being schemed open. It's his scheme. All of the things people asked for, other than firing Sirianni, were changed on offense. And the offense still doesn't look good. Maybe the real issue is elsewhere?

Could it be the QB who, for some reason, seems to get these QB runs inserted into the offense no matter who is coaching him? Or who has grown a trend of throwing bad picks in clutch situations recently? Why is he not throwing on time anymore?

Me personally, if I saw a QB on any other team with this much talent, seeming to struggle to throw the football, my first thought is going to be the QB. Because there's like 30 other QBs in the NFL that would love to have the weaponry Jalen Hurts has. They replaced the scheme too, so that's not it. They replaced the person running the scheme too.

What does that leave?

It’s funny you want to blame the quarterback while praising the coach for his wins. Who other than Jalen does this coach have a winning record with?

1 hour ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

This is a really bizarre take. It's actually so bizarre that I almost don't know how to address it.

So your take is, because Sirianni runs practice, the poor play calling performance is...Sirianni's fault? I hate to break it to you, but for the same reason people felt Sirianni's situational play calling was bad last year and that's why people weren't getting open, the same applies to Moore. It doesn't suddenly shift to execution but the plays are good just because the play-caller changed.

Sirianni doesn't coach Jalen, nor does he run the offense. Once again, where was the scheming people open? If anything, it seemed like he didn't scheme very many people open at all.

You don’t understand that the head coach is responsible for how the team is run? If this fails who do you think will be blamed? Tell me who is responsible for how practice is run the head coach or the play callers? 

6 hours ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

So. You saw the offensive performance against Atlanta, with the talent we have, and then you saw Moore's play call and the result, and your reaction is to make him interim? That's your honest reaction?

I've seen literally nothing that would make me want Moore as interim so far. Jalen's performances haven't been good. The gameplan was still full of QB run calls. Sirianni got flack for having him run too much last year. Moore should too this year. WRs weren't getting open despite us having good talent there and Atlanta not exactly being sound defensively. Wasn't Moore supposed to 'scheme people open' because he has 'much greater X's and O's than Sirianni?'

Where'd all of that go? I certainly didn't see it while the offense was being pancaked for most of the first half. Jalen still isn't throwing people open even with the staff changes and being asked to not meddle. What's going on there? Man can't use Goedert correctly to save his life.

I'm sorry but exactly 0 of these things make me want to give Moore interim HC. Now mind you this is pointless because the Eagles fanbase is still all up in their feelings so rational points like these don't matter, but there's literally nothing that makes me think that's a good idea.

You keep harping on one play call by Moore. The offense played well otherwise, moved the ball down the field and scored. Decisions that Siri made cost the game. Moore doesn't decide whether or not they go for it on 4th down. 

Yes, Moore deserves criticism because he is supposed to install the scheme that plays to their strengths and calls the actual plays. But there were a lot of good play calls and the offense wasn't the problem in the Falcons game. Siri's decisions cost them, and the defense was awful. 

I said in the other topic: Name what Siri does, and which parts he does well. In this entire argument you've just called other fans hypocrites, blamed Moore and Hurts. So what do you like about Siri and what specifically is he doing that you like?

3 hours ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

I mean right now we have a substantial offensive talent upgrade and it still kinda sucks. I'm not really seeing where Moore is getting more out of guys so far. It's only 2 games in but I'm not seeing the jump at all yet. In fact, some parts look even worse, at least at similar parts in the year.

Do we? I suppose we do with Barkley and Dotson but then right now AJ is out and it really shows! Moore needs to do more to get him involved!

Siri is having a Kotite-like drop off in his winning percentage.  I think he lost the locker room and is not respected by most of the players. 

Siri will be gone after this season and if this dumpster fire continues it will probably be earlier than that. This is not a playoff team and is looking a lot like the team that went down the drain last season. I was still optimistic till this past Monday. Hard to win when you have maybe the worst D line in the league along with a HC that makes boneheaded decisions. 

43 minutes ago, GreenMachine said:

Siri will be gone after this season and if this dumpster fire continues it will probably be earlier than that. This is not a playoff team and is looking a lot like the team that went down the drain last season. I was still optimistic till this past Monday. Hard to win when you have maybe the worst D line in the league along with a HC that makes boneheaded decisions. 

A loss like the one on Monday night can fester and easily start a downward spiral for a team.  Siri has to step up.

4 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Do we? I suppose we do with Barkley and Dotson but then right now AJ is out and it really shows! Moore needs to do more to get him involved!

AJ is out and Covey gets more targets than Barkley, Dotson, and Goedert. Huh??? Who’s plan was that?

12 hours ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

Okay but he gave it up again and what happened, happened. In fact, he actually got flack because he was honest about him not meddling. And now people want him to meddle even though most of the offseason they lamented that he'd 'just meddle anyway'. Nobody's interested in taking a position with Sirianni, they just argue whatever's convenient for their arguments. It's actually really obnoxious.

Siri makes the calls like going for it on 4th down or kicking field goals. Going for two. He’s still responsible for that week’s preparations. He’s still the head coach. Since he doesn’t call plays then he should be highly proficient at what he is responsible for. If he’s not then he’s failing at his only job.

I'm getting a 2022 Joe Girardi managed Phillies vibe from this team.  I suspect that if team management were to cut his ass loose and replace him with a more qualified coach who the players respect, it would make a big difference.  Siri is holding the team back.