15 minutes ago, Procus said:

I'm getting a 2022 Joe Girardi managed Phillies vibe from this team.  I suspect that if team management were to cut his ass loose and replace him with a more qualified coach who the players respect, it would make a big difference.  Siri is holding the team back.

I have major doubts this team will ever hire a more qualified coach. They will hire a guy (some team’s offensive coordinator’s pencil holder) and they will gush over how hard they diligently searched for the guy while you watch all the other viable candidates get hired over him.

2 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

I have major doubts this team will ever hire a more qualified coach. They will hire a guy (some team’s offensive coordinator’s pencil holder) and they will gush over how hard they diligently searched for the guy while you watch all the other viable candidates get hired over him.

They did hit on Reid - but half of the Philly faithful wanted to drive him out of town.  I would hope Lurie and Roseman have their ducks lined up in a row for possible replacements.

7 hours ago, NOTW said:

Name what Siri does, and which parts he does well. In this entire argument you've just called other fans hypocrites, blamed Moore and Hurts. So what do you like about Siri and what specifically is he doing that you like?

 

It's not a matter of liking Sirianni. It's a matter of being:

Anti-Hypocrisy
Pro-Rationality

I don't like when people make inconsistent positions and bend their logic specifically because they don't like someone. I don't like it when people refuse reason. I will argue against anyone who does these things, unless I decide I'm not interested in spending the time to do so. People should pick a position, and stick with it. It doesn't get to suddenly change for the benefit of one's emotions.

People are going out of their way to skewer Sirianni, but the reasoning they're using goes entirely against the things they've said before. The fanbase has been insufferable since the end of last season. It's not about Sirianni, it's about integrity. 

Sirianni to me is 'whatever'. It's not that I think he's especially good. I also don't think he's especially bad. I've stated my thoughts on him before. He was taught a scheme that is ineffective in the NFL and that's why everyone on his coaching tree 'branch' (Frank Reich through San Diego, Indy), including Frank Reich, has struggled as a head coach. His best trait in my opinion was the emphasis on teachers, and it's why the early period of his tenure we did a good job with developing players. It's an important note that in the 2000's we've struggled as an organization with developing players. And while early in his tenure we improving with that, we've actually gotten away from that (FO down) thanks to how last year played out and his coordinator picks being stripped from him, which is looming large right now in how player development has seemed to have stalled.

People seem to also ignore the fact that losing both coordinators to head coaching jobs is a very rare event. Losing coordinators is usually one of the biggest pain points that first time head coaches face, but losing both is incredibly rare. The time before that it happened was the 2013 Bengals. The time it happened to the last Super Bowl team was nearly three decades before 2022. The last team that it happened to, the 2014 Bengals didn't exactly do so hot either. That was with the architect of the 2000 Ravens defense at the helm. No one even took those kinds of things into consideration.

It was never about me liking Sirianni. It was about me disliking irrational positions, or even worse, positions that move to fit narratives. People aren't being objective about him at all because of how last year ended, and I'm strongly against that. If people say they think Sirianni is okay, but they want better, I'd be fine with that. But I will never agree with people acting like he's worse than Chip Kelly.

6 hours ago, NOTW said:

You keep harping on one play call by Moore. The offense played well otherwise, moved the ball down the field and scored. Decisions that Siri made cost the game. Moore doesn't decide whether or not they go for it on 4th down. 

Yes, Moore deserves criticism because he is supposed to install the scheme that plays to their strengths and calls the actual plays. But there were a lot of good play calls and the offense wasn't the problem in the Falcons game. Siri's decisions cost them, and the defense was awful. 

I said in the other topic: Name what Siri does, and which parts he does well. In this entire argument you've just called other fans hypocrites, blamed Moore and Hurts. So what do you like about Siri and what specifically is he doing that you like?

I don't consider 10 points in the first half with our talent level to be 'playing well'. I answered your question above, it's a long reply and I'm not copying it.

7 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

It’s funny you want to blame the quarterback while praising the coach for his wins. Who other than Jalen does this coach have a winning record with?

I wasn't saying to praise him, I was saying it because it's a fact. I'm not here to praise Sirianni, and I said that above.

Once again, there's 30 QBs in the NFL that would love to have the weaponry Jalen has. And now that Sirianni is not the play caller or the offense architect, we've removed a variable, possibly the most criticized one. Jalen has to demonstrate that he is the guy this year, with the supporting cast he's been given. I'm simply not seeing it yet.
 

6 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

AJ is out and Covey gets more targets than Barkley, Dotson, and Goedert. Huh??? Who’s plan was that?

I mean you’ve got to think it is Moore as he’s the OC and Sirianni has said it is Moores offense.

I could understand that question if Covey had a bad game. I thought he played well... and it maybe wasn´t drawn up like that. As a defense facing a dual threat QB, Barkley, Smitty and Philly G, you aren´t going to pay much attention to the guy who usually plays as a returner

56 minutes ago, kiwinavega said:

I could understand that question if Covey had a bad game. I thought he played well... and it maybe wasn´t drawn up like that. As a defense facing a dual threat QB, Barkley, Smitty and Philly G, you aren´t going to pay much attention to the guy who usually plays as a returner

I don’t think it’s about Covey though bud. I agree with you that you can catch a team out by going to a guy who hasn’t played a lot on offense. But 6 times? That’s just too much. They were all short passes with the hope that he could get YAC. OK fine that’s absolutely fine but why not give some of those passes to Dotson?

3 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I mean you’ve got to think it is Moore as he’s the OC and Sirianni has said it is Moores offense.

That feels like the typical we are smarter than everyone else Eagles doesn’t it? Yeah let’s go out there and have Smith and his small frame out there blocking for a guy he’s better than instead of catching passes.

9 hours ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

I wasn't saying to praise him, I was saying it because it's a fact. I'm not here to praise Sirianni, and I said that above.

Once again, there's 30 QBs in the NFL that would love to have the weaponry Jalen has. And now that Sirianni is not the play caller or the offense architect, we've removed a variable, possibly the most criticized one. Jalen has to demonstrate that he is the guy this year, with the supporting cast he's been given. I'm simply not seeing it yet.
 

There have been other quarterbacks (one of them is currently starting in the league) who had Jalen’s weapons and they stunk using them. Meanwhile you’re trying to act like this idiot of a head coach we have that you aren’t even sure what he actually does is some kind of godsend. Flower peaches only take you so far. When the going got tough what did the great Sirianni do? You want to go on and on about Jalen’s talent around him, but did you even think for a moment that maybe this talent is what is actually why your coach that you’re defending has the record he has too? 

9 hours ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

It's not a matter of liking Sirianni. It's a matter of being:

Anti-Hypocrisy
Pro-Rationality

I don't like when people make inconsistent positions and bend their logic specifically because they don't like someone. I don't like it when people refuse reason. I will argue against anyone who does these things, unless I decide I'm not interested in spending the time to do so. People should pick a position, and stick with it. It doesn't get to suddenly change for the benefit of one's emotions.

People are going out of their way to skewer Sirianni, but the reasoning they're using goes entirely against the things they've said before. The fanbase has been insufferable since the end of last season. It's not about Sirianni, it's about integrity. 

Sirianni to me is 'whatever'. It's not that I think he's especially good. I also don't think he's especially bad. I've stated my thoughts on him before. He was taught a scheme that is ineffective in the NFL and that's why everyone on his coaching tree 'branch' (Frank Reich through San Diego, Indy), including Frank Reich, has struggled as a head coach. His best trait in my opinion was the emphasis on teachers, and it's why the early period of his tenure we did a good job with developing players. It's an important note that in the 2000's we've struggled as an organization with developing players. And while early in his tenure we improving with that, we've actually gotten away from that (FO down) thanks to how last year played out and his coordinator picks being stripped from him, which is looming large right now in how player development has seemed to have stalled.

People seem to also ignore the fact that losing both coordinators to head coaching jobs is a very rare event. Losing coordinators is usually one of the biggest pain points that first time head coaches face, but losing both is incredibly rare. The time before that it happened was the 2013 Bengals. The time it happened to the last Super Bowl team was nearly three decades before 2022. The last team that it happened to, the 2014 Bengals didn't exactly do so hot either. That was with the architect of the 2000 Ravens defense at the helm. No one even took those kinds of things into consideration.

It was never about me liking Sirianni. It was about me disliking irrational positions, or even worse, positions that move to fit narratives. People aren't being objective about him at all because of how last year ended, and I'm strongly against that. If people say they think Sirianni is okay, but they want better, I'd be fine with that. But I will never agree with people acting like he's worse than Chip Kelly.

You went on this long diatribe about a guy YOU DON’T EVEN THINK IS THAT SPECIAL. Guess what bud? We don’t find him all that special either. You’re literally arguing for the sake of arguing and now I’m bored with you.

Rich Kotite in his first three seasons as head coach of the Eagles was 29-19, and was the first Eagles HC to win a playoff game since Dick Vermeil. Did that make him a great head coach?

Chip Kelly won 20 games in two seasons and was fired in the season of his third year. Does that make him a good head coach? 

Ray Rhodes won coach of the year as a rookie head coach and also won 20 games in two seasons. Ironically he’s similar to our current head coach, because he also used imagery and speeches as motivators for his players. It soon faded and he was fired leaving an eventual record of 29-34-1. Did his early record mean he was a good head coach?

Doug Pederson won the super bowl and three years later he was fired. 
 

Bottom line early success does not mean the coach is a good one nor does it mean he should keep getting chances. If anyone thinks that a coach is based on record alone (especially early in their coaching career) needs to reevaluate themselves. Nothing Sirianni has done up to this point merits him having untouchable coach status. 

I agree with all that, but I don´t think anyone is saying Sirianni is untouchable. Fail to make the playoffs this year, then by all means give him the Spanish archer. If he makes the playoffs and loses round one (especially if it is at home) then the circumstances of that loss could mean the same thing. But if he wins a playoff game, that record would make it very hard to justify firing him.

3 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

You went on this long diatribe about a guy YOU DON’T EVEN THINK IS THAT SPECIAL. Guess what bud? We don’t find him all that special either. You’re literally arguing for the sake of arguing and now I’m bored with you.

Clearly you didn't read the first part of the post. That's fine, many people lack reading comprehension. You get used to it.

15 hours ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

It's not a matter of liking Sirianni. It's a matter of being:

Anti-Hypocrisy
Pro-Rationality

I don't like when people make inconsistent positions and bend their logic specifically because they don't like someone. I don't like it when people refuse reason. I will argue against anyone who does these things, unless I decide I'm not interested in spending the time to do so. People should pick a position, and stick with it. It doesn't get to suddenly change for the benefit of one's emotions.

People are going out of their way to skewer Sirianni, but the reasoning they're using goes entirely against the things they've said before. The fanbase has been insufferable since the end of last season. It's not about Sirianni, it's about integrity. 

Sirianni to me is 'whatever'. It's not that I think he's especially good. I also don't think he's especially bad. I've stated my thoughts on him before. He was taught a scheme that is ineffective in the NFL and that's why everyone on his coaching tree 'branch' (Frank Reich through San Diego, Indy), including Frank Reich, has struggled as a head coach. His best trait in my opinion was the emphasis on teachers, and it's why the early period of his tenure we did a good job with developing players. It's an important note that in the 2000's we've struggled as an organization with developing players. And while early in his tenure we improving with that, we've actually gotten away from that (FO down) thanks to how last year played out and his coordinator picks being stripped from him, which is looming large right now in how player development has seemed to have stalled.

People seem to also ignore the fact that losing both coordinators to head coaching jobs is a very rare event. Losing coordinators is usually one of the biggest pain points that first time head coaches face, but losing both is incredibly rare. The time before that it happened was the 2013 Bengals. The time it happened to the last Super Bowl team was nearly three decades before 2022. The last team that it happened to, the 2014 Bengals didn't exactly do so hot either. That was with the architect of the 2000 Ravens defense at the helm. No one even took those kinds of things into consideration.

It was never about me liking Sirianni. It was about me disliking irrational positions, or even worse, positions that move to fit narratives. People aren't being objective about him at all because of how last year ended, and I'm strongly against that. If people say they think Sirianni is okay, but they want better, I'd be fine with that. But I will never agree with people acting like he's worse than Chip Kelly.

So from all that, you did cite one thing you think he does well: teaching and developing players.

I get what you're saying about people changing their argument. I personally haven't though. I have no problem with Nick being a CEO Head coach. But whether the HC calls the plays or not, the HC is in fact responsible for literally everything that happens. Last year he didn't do anything to fix the offense. On defense, his only change was absolutely horrible: moving from DeSai to Patricia. His game decisions have been questionable and at times cost them games, as in the Falcons game on Monday.

So him not calling plays is supposed to free him up for game management, which he's failing at and needs to improve.

Moore deserves criticism as well. But I also said in the offseason to expect it to take 3-4 weeks into the season to see how the team performs with the new coordinators and scheme.

Nick's decision to not play staters in preseason has once again caused rust and lack of preparation. Last year he said he realized that was a mistake and that he should probably play starters in preseason...then he made that same mistake again this year.

Fangio was supposed to bring consistency but his defense sucks. At least Moore's offense is showing something and I feel more confident in the offense improving. Defense is part talent and part coaching. Offense has the talent. I've said repeatedly Moore deserves blame as well, so does Hurts. Everyone is responsible.

But to your point of saying people are just calling him a cheerleader, well part of that is guys joking or venting. It begs the question: what does he actually do? Wait to call timeout and wait until 4th down to tell Moore to go for it or not and...what else?

If any aspect of the team is not performing, the head coach should do something about it. The HC and Coordinator share blame.

15 hours ago, Procus said:

They did hit on Reid - but half of the Philly faithful wanted to drive him out of town.  I would hope Lurie and Roseman have their ducks lined up in a row for possible replacements.

Reid is fortunate to have hit on Mahomes. He's had a lot of fortunate circumstances and key calls that won him 3 rings. Reid may have not been in position to draft Mahomes here, and he'd more than likely still have 0 super bowls.  Reid needed to go, and kudos to him for having success elsewhere, but his time was up here.

5 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

Rich Kotite in his first three seasons as head coach of the Eagles was 29-19, and was the first Eagles HC to win a playoff game since Dick Vermeil. Did that make him a great head coach?

Chip Kelly won 20 games in two seasons and was fired in the season of his third year. Does that make him a good head coach? 

Ray Rhodes won coach of the year as a rookie head coach and also won 20 games in two seasons. Ironically he’s similar to our current head coach, because he also used imagery and speeches as motivators for his players. It soon faded and he was fired leaving an eventual record of 29-34-1. Did his early record mean he was a good head coach?

Doug Pederson won the super bowl and three years later he was fired. 
 

Bottom line early success does not mean the coach is a good one nor does it mean he should keep getting chances. If anyone thinks that a coach is based on record alone (especially early in their coaching career) needs to reevaluate themselves. Nothing Sirianni has done up to this point merits him having untouchable coach status. 

 

I can't go into detail into Kotite cos I was a kid watching those games, don't remember every detail of the roster, injuries, etc.

Kelly got rid of all the great players and created a bad relationship with the players on the roster. IF he hadn't of done that, he would've kept his job. 

Same with Kotite in regard to Rhodes

Doug got fired because he didn't want to be a yes man.

Sirianni is a good coach imo. 1 epic collapse isn't enough to warrant him being fired.  If this team doesn't make the playoffs or has a similar collapse this season, then I can understand wanting him gone.

4 hours ago, MF POON said:

 

I can't go into detail into Kotite cos I was a kid watching those games, don't remember every detail of the roster, injuries, etc.

Kelly got rid of all the great players and created a bad relationship with the players on the roster. IF he hadn't of done that, he would've kept his job. 

Same with Kotite in regard to Rhodes

Doug got fired because he didn't want to be a yes man.

Sirianni is a good coach imo. 1 epic collapse isn't enough to warrant him being fired.  If this team doesn't make the playoffs or has a similar collapse this season, then I can understand wanting him gone.

Ironically Kotite was the HC for the 91 team that most Eagles fans believed if Randall didn’t get hurt would’ve been a serious SB contender. They won 10 games with no quarterback. Bud Carson (who Kotite hired if believe) got more out of that defense than Buddy ever could. My overall point is win loss records don’t mean that a coach is good or bad especially early in their careers. Reid’s first season was pretty much a disaster, but he turned things around. Is Sirianni a good head coach? I don’t know, because when his team faced adversity he did little to fix it. Doug got fired because he refused to be a yes man. Sirianni got to stay because he chose to be a yes man. Sirianni has won some big games, but lost some big ones also. He also got out coached at times by coaches with less talent. People want to give Sirianni a lot of praise, but the truth is when he was hired, he wasn’t some hotshot coordinator. Most people didn’t even know who he was. Let’s see how things play out, and see what Sirianni does if adversity hits this season. 

4 hours ago, MF POON said:

Reid is fortunate to have hit on Mahomes. He's had a lot of fortunate circumstances and key calls that won him 3 rings. Reid may have not been in position to draft Mahomes here, and he'd more than likely still have 0 super bowls.  Reid needed to go, and kudos to him for having success elsewhere, but his time was up here.

Reid did move up from near the end of the draft to take Mahomes when so many others passed on him. Say what you want about McNabb, but Donovan was by far the best quarterback taken in that draft. Let’s not forget Reid drafted the only quarterback ever to win the Eagles a SB as well. I think Andy knows a thing or two about quarterbacks. 

7 hours ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

Clearly you didn't read the first part of the post. That's fine, many people lack reading comprehension. You get used to it.

You have no clue what this guy does well, but in the next moment whines about other fans basically telling you the same thing. Do you know what this coach does? 

7 hours ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

Clearly you didn't read the first part of the post. That's fine, many people lack reading comprehension. You get used to it.

Expect people not to read your entire post when you choose to write a rambling novella in a single post.

 

26 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

You have no clue what this guy does well, but in the next moment whines about other fans basically telling you the same thing. Do you know what this coach does? 

 

7 minutes ago, Procus said:

Expect people not to read your entire post when you choose to write a rambling novella in a single post.

Summary: 

• Hates hypocrites & that's his main point
• Doesn't actually like Siri
• Siri started out as good teacher & player development.
• Can't name anything else Siri does
• Continues to harp on one play call by Moore

8 minutes ago, Procus said:

Expect people not to read your entire post when you choose to write a rambling novella in a single post.

Which is why I said lack of reading comprehension is common, yes, I think everyone who's still using an Invision board in 2024 is well aware of the classic 'didn't read LOL'.

Enjoy 1-2 it can’t be overstated enough how fing dumb that play call was especially with AJ out for weeks. We needed that game.

7 minutes ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

Which is why I said lack of reading comprehension is common, yes, I think everyone who's still using an Invision board in 2024 is well aware of the classic 'didn't read LOL'.

I for one have no problem with reading comprehension.  However, I choose not to read long rambling posts like the one you made.  It's unreasonable for you to expect other board members to do so. 

Not reading a post is not the same as having a reading comprehension problem.

A little advice - try to be more concise and less rambling.