31 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

Here we have a quarterback who is now on his 5th OC in six seasons of football. Now things are so different and he’s expected to pick it all up in one off-season?

We didn't realize what we had in Reid until he was gone, and it took him a few years to land Mahomes and get his sea legs in KC.

Still, with Reid, the coach directing the offense was the head coach - so we didn't have to deal with the turmoil we had in 2018 and 2023 following SB appearances and OC departures.  Both OC's had a big hand in the offense (even more so with Shane Steichen in 2022).  I think what the organization will take from all of this is that the best coaching structure is a head coach who directs the offense and an aging, grizzly DC who ain't going anywhere.  Siri's fatal flaw is that he hasn't shown the ability to direct the offense

37 minutes ago, Procus said:  Siri's fatal flaw is that he hasn't shown the ability to direct the offense

When Sirianni ran the offense it sucked and it really didn’t take off until the next season with Steichen getting a full year to run it. At this point what positives can we really attribute to Sirianni? Here’s the problem I see. This is basically a transition season unless Sirianni finds some way to truly prove his worth. If the offense is successful then Moore likely gets a HC opportunity and now Hurts has to learn another offense. If it fails and they suck then all of the coaching staff except a few specific people are out and once again Hurts has to learn a new offense. There’s no way the next HC walks into this team not using their own offensive philosophy and calling plays. For Sirianni he has to win to keep his job. It all feels like an unnecessary two season transitional situation. Hurts sees the writing on the wall. The only way this is semi successful is if they win the bowl, because one way or another after this coming season there will be changes. With all that being the case all of the current chances for this coming season makes their SB chances highly dubious.

I think there's more pessimism here than there is on the second floor of Novacare. It depends on how this season goes. If there's a 6 game swoon at the end of the '24 season with the team looking like they're thinking more about the golf course than the football field for the second year in a row, sure there are going to be some changes. What if the first the team start 4 - 7 then finish the season 5-1 and look like it's coming together?

1 hour ago, eglz1 said:

I think there's more pessimism here than there is on the second floor of Novacare. It depends on how this season goes. If there's a 6 game swoon at the end of the '24 season with the team looking like they're thinking more about the golf course than the football field for the second year in a row, sure there are going to be some changes. What if the first the team start 4 - 7 then finish the season 5-1 and look like it's coming together?

Need a playoff run in that case.  9-8 is no lock for the playoffs.  The tough front loaded schedule combined with learning new systems could mean a bumpy start to the season.  Eagles are projected to have a better record during the latter part of the season - which is when you want your team to get hot.

6 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

Sirianni agreed to get new offensive and defensive coordinators that her likely didn’t even choose. The quarterback said 95% of this offense is new. What’s the 5% left the tush push? At this point I don’t see how this all just works nor do I see the relevance of this head coach. Is he here to trash talk other fanbases while talking about Mamba mentality? When the going gets tough who do the Eagles players go to? Will it be Moore or Sirianni?  

Said it before and I'll say it again, in his position I'd consider resigning. It's kind of wild having the top winning percentage as a coach in team history and to get more ire than Chip Kelly did at the end of his tenure. I'd chalk it up as the city simply doesn't like me and to just move on.

4 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

When Sirianni ran the offense it sucked and it really didn’t take off until the next season with Steichen getting a full year to run it. At this point what positives can we really attribute to Sirianni? Here’s the problem I see. This is basically a transition season unless Sirianni finds some way to truly prove his worth. If the offense is successful then Moore likely gets a HC opportunity and now Hurts has to learn another offense. If it fails and they suck then all of the coaching staff except a few specific people are out and once again Hurts has to learn a new offense. There’s no way the next HC walks into this team not using their own offensive philosophy and calling plays. For Sirianni he has to win to keep his job. It all feels like an unnecessary two season transitional situation. Hurts sees the writing on the wall. The only way this is semi successful is if they win the bowl, because one way or another after this coming season there will be changes. With all that being the case all of the current chances for this coming season makes their SB chances highly dubious.

Hurts wouldn't be learning another offense. If you can't tell, the reason why things are going this way is because of something that isn't entirely related to Sirianni. Ask yourself: Which coaches with a similar system design, from the same origin, are doing well with the prior offense.

The answer is: Maybe Steichen (it's one year so let defenses adjust), but otherwise none of them. 0. Nada.

Sirianni's position is effectively flipped this year, and what's going to happen if he stays and Moore goes, is that he's going to learn Moore's half to get another offense under his belt. I know people have this idea that Head Coaches can't grow, but the truth is, the best ones do in fact grow. Sirianni's biggest problem is actually that he inherited a system that's flawed at the NFL level, and his second biggest problem is that he coaches in Philadelphia. His third biggest problem is that unlike most of our prior head coaches, he didn't hasn't received any help getting coordinator level assistants until this year (if you remember, for example, Schwartz was gotten with assistance from the FO, rather than through Doug's connections).

4 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

 If the offense is successful then Moore likely gets a HC opportunity and now Hurts has to learn another offense.

I would think Siri's biggest threat comes from Kellen Moore.  If Moore does a good job with the offense, I could see Moore getting promoted and Siri getting re-assigned or booted.

we still dont know what actually transpired last year. with how long they took to make their decision on him and who they ultimately brought in and finally this hinky structuring going on, i would say he's on his way out and either fangio or moore is the HC next season. anything short of super bowl may NFC title appearance and he's gone

13 hours ago, Dweedlebug said:

OBJ is the most overrated player in the NFL and it's not even close.

Thanks for the laugh

21 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

Maybe that’s true, but what is his record with any quarterback not named Hurts? For every playoff appearance that Sirianni has Hurts is the one that got him there. 

Yea, let's play that card.  

13 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

I don’t know if I am as ecstatic as everyone else is with the changes. Here we have a quarterback who is now on his 5th OC in six seasons of football. Now things are so different and he’s expected to pick it all up in one off-season? On top of this how well will the emotionally challenged HC take being marginalized by the owner and GM this season? Will he pout or overcompensate with more flower type messages? Also how will the team respond to this guy now that they all basically see that he is a glorified placeholder? When things go bad can he bring this group back or will we just see more sideline turmoil and yet another ridiculous slide? To me this all reminds me of that off-season when they forced Doug to hire all of those outside coaches and voices and ultimately that turned to crap. I don’t have high expectations for this coming season. There’s a lot of change and I don’t see how it all comes together just in one season. 

I don’t completely disagree with you but change was needed. The offense stunk despite the talent it has and that needed to be addressed. So I get what you are saying and it isn’t ideal but it was necessary. I know Hurts needs to learn yet another new offense now and that isn’t going to be easy but the offense was broken so it needed to be done. 

I think there´s some through the looking glass thinking going on in this thread. The offense wasn´t great, but still scored quite a lot of points. The defense truly stank the place out and there´s been action taken accordingly. 

Sirianni isn´t perfect and has a lot to learn but I think some of the fan base will just never like him, for whatever reason. 

58 minutes ago, kiwinavega said:

I think there´s some through the looking glass thinking going on in this thread. The offense wasn´t great, but still scored quite a lot of points. The defense truly stank the place out and there´s been action taken accordingly. 

Sirianni isn´t perfect and has a lot to learn but I think some of the fan base will just never like him, for whatever reason. 

I agree that some won't like Siri unless/until he wins 2 Super Bowls. I suspect that flowers thing slammed the door on Siri for some. How unmacho.

Siri should be concerned.  The way how last season collapsed and he can't escape from some responsibilities.  The FO brought in 2 new coordinators who have solid records and reputations.  Siri is still the HC, but his authority may have been weakened by them.  If the team struggles this season and he can't fix the problems, they could elevate the coordinator to take over.  

On 6/11/2024 at 2:25 AM, Cochis_Calhoun said:

Sorry but if you think that if the Eagles go to the playoffs again with more than 10 wins, they'll sack Sirianni to promote Moore you're kidding yourself, there isn't an owner on Earth that sacks a coach that gets double digit wins three years straight with 3 different sets of coordinators, at what point are the fans kidding themselves about who's responsible for the record if that happens?

Clarity is the last thing that Eagles owner wants or provides. Eagles can always promote Siri to Assistant GM. 🙂 OR give him some title that elevates him, but keeps him completely useless..as is the case now. And at the same time it elevates the OC responsibility to be de-facto head coach in everything but the name. The title is a tool to keep idiots, sorry..fans who want clarity,  satisfied. Clarity will expose the owner meddling, and destroy the existing system of ownership. Therefore ignore the titles...and let's see what happens during the year. I personally do not care to what happens to Bozo the clown. 

On 6/14/2024 at 2:16 AM, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I don’t completely disagree with you but change was needed. The offense stunk despite the talent it has and that needed to be addressed. So I get what you are saying and it isn’t ideal but it was necessary. I know Hurts needs to learn yet another new offense now and that isn’t going to be easy but the offense was broken so it needed to be done. 

I 100% agree that change was needed. My point is they didn’t change enough and ultimately this will lead to a transitional season followed by a new HC (possibly a new quarterback) and yet another transitional season. This team is too talented to have to deal with that kind of crap. 

On 6/14/2024 at 8:44 AM, kiwinavega said:

I think there´s some through the looking glass thinking going on in this thread. The offense wasn´t great, but still scored quite a lot of points. The defense truly stank the place out and there´s been action taken accordingly. 

Sirianni isn´t perfect and has a lot to learn but I think some of the fan base will just never like him, for whatever reason. 

I never had a lot of issue with Nick, but let’s be honest here. The head coach that has little to no real responsibility to run the offense has a responsibility to run the team and for whatever reason he lost the team last season. The team was looking for answers and he had none. The motivational speaker/yell on the sidelines coach can quickly lose a team once the talk starts getting ignored. There is some fundamental issues here between the coach and the quarterback and now Jeff McLane is reporting top officials with the Eagles are making it know that they’re not happy with the quarterback for not backing their puppet coach. This is a mess.

On 6/13/2024 at 9:25 PM, Godfather said:

Yea, let's play that card.  

The truth? Let me guess Kenny Pickett is gonna go in there and light the world up right? 😂🤣😂 The guy has yet to throw for double digit touchdowns in a season but he’s the answer. 

On 6/13/2024 at 6:35 PM, Procus said:

I would think Siri's biggest threat comes from Kellen Moore.  If Moore does a good job with the offense, I could see Moore getting promoted and Siri getting re-assigned or booted.

Probably would be the best scenario, but the Eagles should do their due diligence when picking the next head coach. 

11 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

Probably would be the best scenario, but the Eagles should do their due diligence when picking the next head coach. 

Knowing these Eagles, they're ahead of the curve on that one

On 6/15/2024 at 9:43 PM, EazyEaglez said:

I 100% agree that change was needed. My point is they didn’t change enough and ultimately this will lead to a transitional season followed by a new HC (possibly a new quarterback) and yet another transitional season. This team is too talented to have to deal with that kind of crap. 

I don’t think it’ll lead to a new QB in the next year or so but I do get what you mean as Jalen needs stability. Unfortunately he’s unlikely to get that with Moore coming in because if Moore does well he may be off next year.

5 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I don’t think it’ll lead to a new QB in the next year or so but I do get what you mean as Jalen needs stability. Unfortunately he’s unlikely to get that with Moore coming in because if Moore does well he may be off next year.

That cannot happen. If Moore turns the offense around then Siri needs to be shown the door, and Moore needs to be handed the keys.
 

Don’t want to install 95% of a new offense again or have a Brian Johnson situation again.

7 hours ago, D-Shiznit said:

That cannot happen. If Moore turns the offense around then Siri needs to be shown the door, and Moore needs to be handed the keys.
 

Don’t want to install 95% of a new offense again or have a Brian Johnson situation again.

This offense is stacked.  My biggest concern is that middle and right side of the OL.  As the right side of the OL goes, so go the Eagles.  I think Jurgens has the potential to perform at a high level.  And will LJ continue to perform at a high level, or will his play slip, will he be able to stay on the field?  Will Steen sew up the job at RG, will Becton get plugged in there?

These are the biggest questions that need to be answered.  There's no reason why the offense shouldn't flash early and get its sea legs into the season absent a breakdown on the line.

 

15 hours ago, D-Shiznit said:

That cannot happen. If Moore turns the offense around then Siri needs to be shown the door, and Moore needs to be handed the keys.
 

Don’t want to install 95% of a new offense again or have a Brian Johnson situation again.

I completely agree with you! I just worry that if the offense looks good then Sirianni will get credit as well because he’s the HC. This is the problem created by keeping him.

Letting Siri go will be cheaper than trading Hurts. That's why Siri is in the hot seat if they have another underachieving season.