6 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I completely agree with you! I just worry that if the offense looks good then Sirianni will get credit as well because he’s the HC. This is the problem created by keeping him.

I can't believe how many Eagles fans "worry" about success.

In 2021 we had a new HC and a new OC and DC. We went to the playoffs and lost in round 1.

In 2022 we had a staff that returned. We went to the Super Bowl.

In 2023 we had a new OC and DC. We went to the playoffs and lost in round 1.

In 2024 ... we are "worried" that we might be too successful. 

 

I know people tend to make up their minds prematurely about certain players and coaches but the truth is that if this team turns around, it's going to be because the players and coaches come together as a team and everybody buys in. The HC is integral to that happening. 

On 6/13/2024 at 1:43 PM, EazyEaglez said:

For Sirianni he has to win to keep his job. It all feels like an unnecessary two season transitional situation.

I don't think Sirianni has to go the the Super Bowl to keep his job.  Were you beating the "Fire Him!!" drum after 11 games last year? I doubt it. What will get him fired is if the team appears rudderless as they did the last few games last year. Steering the team is a job of a head coach, minutae shouldn't be.

There were problems with most aspects of the team. Head coaching, offensive coaching, defensive coaching, player performance, conditioning, player motivation, tough schedule/the "gauntlet,", the team morale after losing to SF and collapsing in awful fashion. There are a lot of things to point to. They obviously changed both coordinators and brought in new position coaches. 

The head coach has to take accountability to address and fix problems. There were issues we all recognized throughout last season that Siri didn't address yet could have. He has to be on the hot seat to right the ship this season and make all the pieces coordinate together.

1 hour ago, NOTW said:

There were issues we all recognized throughout last season that Siri didn't address yet could have. 

The problem is Sirianni lacks intelligence, all you have to do is listen to the guy talk, and personally, I feel the same about Hurts.

1 hour ago, EagleVA said:

The problem is Sirianni lacks intelligence, all you have to do is listen to the guy talk, and personally, I feel the same about Hurts.

Tell us what you really think, and don't hold back please.

3 hours ago, Traveler Vic said:

Tell us what you really think, and don't hold back please.

I think the same thing about Lurie and Howie.

19 hours ago, brkmsn said:

I can't believe how many Eagles fans "worry" about success.

In 2021 we had a new HC and a new OC and DC. We went to the playoffs and lost in round 1.

In 2022 we had a staff that returned. We went to the Super Bowl.

In 2023 we had a new OC and DC. We went to the playoffs and lost in round 1.

In 2024 ... we are "worried" that we might be too successful. 

 

I know people tend to make up their minds prematurely about certain players and coaches but the truth is that if this team turns around, it's going to be because the players and coaches come together as a team and everybody buys in. The HC is integral to that happening. 

But, but... if we win, it´s going to cause all kinds of problems. Let´s just go 6-11 instead, it will be better for everyone

20 hours ago, brkmsn said:

In 2024 ... we are "worried" that we might be too successfu

I’m not worried that we might be too successful. Ultimately if we go and win the SB who cares about the year after at that point. 

We were within a play or two of doing that the season before last. Would you have still not cared about the collapse and everything that went with it had we won instead?

 

The Eagles will be more successful because of their pancake schedule. Last year was brutal and after going through the gauntlet they literally had nothing left in the tank. 

This team could win 12-14 games. Dependent on the Defense playing much better and getting turnovers. And running the ball more. 

On 6/12/2024 at 11:49 AM, Procus said:

And that begs the question - suppose Moore gets it turned around in a good way this season and he becomes a hot head coaching commodity.  Do you let him walk?

That is a big question.  

If both the offense and the defense are playing well, Sirianni would have to make some seriously bad decisions throughout the year and/or in the playoffs to get fired and be replaced by Moore.  But if Moore has the offense rolling and the eagles go deep into the playoffs.....

If the Eagles are rolling and go deep in the playoffs, that makes it even more difficult to fire Sirianni, at least while retaining any credibility as an organisation. Think about it, you´re setting a standard. In this scenario, Siri would have had four seasons, with four playoff trips, including at least one SB visit plus another deep run. Saying that isn´t good enough for a head coach? You´ll never get anyone credible again.

2 hours ago, kiwinavega said:

If the Eagles are rolling and go deep in the playoffs, that makes it even more difficult to fire Sirianni, at least while retaining any credibility as an organisation. Think about it, you´re setting a standard. In this scenario, Siri would have had four seasons, with four playoff trips, including at least one SB visit plus another deep run. Saying that isn´t good enough for a head coach? You´ll never get anyone credible again.

Thats my concern, and I'm not Siri’s biggest fan. Let’s say we go deep and Moore is elevated and Siri fired. What happens if Moore turns out to be the type who is good as a coordinator, but not running the show? The optics look very bad, and future coaches are going to end up being another Sirianni all over again, which I guess seems to be the type they want anyway. 

On 6/20/2024 at 5:11 PM, EagleJoe8 said:

Thats my concern, and I'm not Siri’s biggest fan. Let’s say we go deep and Moore is elevated and Siri fired. What happens if Moore turns out to be the type who is good as a coordinator, but not running the show? The optics look very bad, and future coaches are going to end up being another Sirianni all over again, which I guess seems to be the type they want anyway. 

But isn’t that the case throughout the NFL? Coaches generally move on after a handful of years at most. Coordinators typically move on and up and you have to replace them. It’s a concern for sure but I think it’s just life in the NFL.

1 hour ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

But isn’t that the case throughout the NFL? Coaches generally move on after a handful of years at most. Coordinators typically move on and up and you have to replace them. It’s a concern for sure but I think it’s just life in the NFL.

It’s not the case that the head coach moves on after 4 playoff seasons, two of which, under this hypothetical, would be deep playoff runs. 
 

No, what is being said is not the norm. Coaches in that scenario get extended, not replaced. 

4 hours ago, EagleJoe8 said:

No, what is being said is not the norm. Coaches in that scenario get extended, not replaced. 

Coaches in that scenario don’t tend to oversee a historic collapse like we saw last year.

10 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Coaches in that scenario don’t tend to oversee a historic collapse like we saw last year.

First of all, how many coaches had a Super Bowl appearance on their record just a year prior? Second, under this hypothetical, the team, with Sirianni as head coach, would have gone deep into the playoffs. In what world does a coach take a team deep in the playoffs, then get fired for a collapse the year prior? It doesn’t happen. I would have been fine with Siri going this past off season, but the reality is if the team goes deep in the playoffs now, it is not going to be a good look going forward trying to land a credible coach if Kellen Moore doesn’t work out. Were just going to get the next Sirianni, which as I already said, seems to be their preference anyway. 

13 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Coaches in that scenario don’t tend to oversee a historic collapse like we saw last year.

Which is why he has to take a lot of blame for last year, and is on the hot seat this year.

The Eagles have a history of firing coaches at the first bad season. With Doug, they tried changing up the coaching and when that didn't work they had a serious talk about how to fix the team moving forward. They disagreed and parted ways. And he won them their first SB. This could be the attempt to keep Siri and make it all work. They are able to observe and know things we don't see and hear on the outside. The players, all the staff and assistant coaches, everyone internal knows what's what. We'll see how it plays out.

11 minutes ago, NOTW said:

This could be the attempt to keep Siri and make it all work. They are able to observe and know things we don't see and hear on the outside. The players, all the staff and assistant coaches, everyone internal knows what's what. We'll see how it plays out.

And there’s some credit needed for them sticking with their HC and trying to fix the issues. Trying to keep some stability whilst changing both the DC and OC. I just don’t feel confident it is going to work out because I’ve lost all faith in Sirianni. And unfortunately it seems the QB has too.

I guess as long as Siri doesn't have a major losing season and keeps getting the team into the playoffs, he should be like McDermott in Buffalo although the off-season media has McDermott in the hot seat too. 😂

4 hours ago, SNOORDA said:

I think we fire the HC mid season and put the new OC in command 

Even if they're say 6-2 and looking good? It seems like a lot of people assume the Eagles this year will play very much like they played the last 6 games last year. If Brian Johnson, Matt Patricia and their staffs were still here that would be understandable. Brian Johnson and Matt Patricia are NOT here. Let's see how the first few games this year play out, shall we?

On 6/13/2024 at 9:18 AM, EazyEaglez said:

I don’t know if I am as ecstatic as everyone else is with the changes. Here we have a quarterback who is now on his 5th OC in six seasons of football. Now things are so different and he’s expected to pick it all up in one off-season? On top of this how well will the emotionally challenged HC take being marginalized by the owner and GM this season? Will he pout or overcompensate with more flower type messages? Also how will the team respond to this guy now that they all basically see that he is a glorified placeholder? When things go bad can he bring this group back or will we just see more sideline turmoil and yet another ridiculous slide? To me this all reminds me of that off-season when they forced Doug to hire all of those outside coaches and voices and ultimately that turned to crap. I don’t have high expectations for this coming season. There’s a lot of change and I don’t see how it all comes together just in one season. 

Even with the additions of Barkley and others and new coordinators I’m not expecting us to go 10 or 11-0.  
 

but I would be surprised if we don’t win the east with all the talent on this roster.   In which case it would be clear that the HC gots to go  I mean that choke job the team had the last 7 games or whatever last season I thought was cause to fire Siri and the whole coaching staff personally   

i still Have plenty of faith in Hurts as it sits.  But he will need to ball out from the jump and continue to ball for 17+ weeks this season and if not I could be on the fence 

Everybody can learn from the bad --- even head coaches. I don't understand why it's seemingly so important to see heads roll after a bad 2 months. Organizations that clean house and have fire sales are simply the jokes of the league. They are bad year after year. If two months is the "limit," you will have non-stop turnover and be a perennial bottom-feeder. 

There was a big lesson to be learned last season and that was: It wasn't 2022 anymore. We weren't able to impose our will on teams in 2023. Many of our opponents had the games against us circled on their schedules. The Whiners, for example, had been crying for 10 months. Everybody was motivated to take the Eagles down. 

We all have a tendency to overreact in the moment. But there was no point where I felt this team quit, like some like to claim. They were outplayed, but they kept competing. It's so easy to forget all the plays that were so close, but just didn't end up going our way. At least it's not 2023 anymore. 

8 hours ago, brkmsn said:

Everybody can learn from the bad --- even head coaches. I don't understand why it's seemingly so important to see heads roll after a bad 2 months. Organizations that clean house and have fire sales are simply the jokes of the league. They are bad year after year. If two months is the "limit," you will have non-stop turnover and be a perennial bottom-feeder. 

There was a big lesson to be learned last season and that was: It wasn't 2022 anymore. We weren't able to impose our will on teams in 2023. Many of our opponents had the games against us circled on their schedules. The Whiners, for example, had been crying for 10 months. Everybody was motivated to take the Eagles down. 

We all have a tendency to overreact in the moment. But there was no point where I felt this team quit, like some like to claim. They were outplayed, but they kept competing. It's so easy to forget all the plays that were so close, but just didn't end up going our way. At least it's not 2023 anymore. 

 

To be fair, the coordinator's heads rolled, along with some position coaches. How often do teams fire both coordinators and change both the offense and defense? They're a contender that played in the SB then the following year made the playoffs.  The end of season collapse was really bad. Something had to change for sure. It's understandable to keep Siri and try the new coordinators but he's definitely on the hot seat. I think everyone is at this point though, because they have a strong roster, good mix of veterans and young players and a Super Bowl window to take advantage of.

39 minutes ago, NOTW said:

 

To be fair, the coordinator's heads rolled, along with some position coaches. How often do teams fire both coordinators and change both the offense and defense? They're a contender that played in the SB then the following year made the playoffs.  The end of season collapse was really bad. Something had to change for sure. It's understandable to keep Siri and try the new coordinators but he's definitely on the hot seat. I think everyone is at this point though, because they have a strong roster, good mix of veterans and young players and a Super Bowl window to take advantage of.

I think there were two separate things that happened. One on the defense and one on the offense. Last season, the team had to replace both coordinators because they left for head coaching jobs. On one side of the ball, offense, we made an in house promotion. On the defensive side of the ball, we brought in Desai and Patricia. Desai was named the DC and Patricia the assistant. By naming Desai and Johnson the coordinators, the Eagles now had two people that if the team had enough success where other teams may purge one or both of them away, they would be granted compensatory picks. Unfortunately, things just weren't the same in 2023 as 2022. We were winning competitively close games early in the season, but people could see we weren't dominating in any area. Once those games began turning into losses, the team tipped their hand by switching Patricia's and Desai's roles with the hope that bringing Matt's experience to the forefront would make a positive difference. For the most part we can really only speculate on what that did to the morale on defense, but as they continued to struggle, they played more and wore down.

On offense, the numbers weren't terrible, they were just not as impressive as the year before. IMO, they failed to implement new elements to an offense that was looking for a breakout moment. They chose to stay the course and wait for that moment to arrive rather than make adjustments in season. I feel like that had to do with the inexperience of Johnson. He just didn't want to take the risk of making adjustments when he saw that product work so well the year before. Johnson basically just ran Steichen's offense but with their new $50M/year investment in self-preservation mode. That stifled a critical element of the 2022 offense and Johnson didn't ever figure out he needed to replace it with something else. 

It's entirely possible that Johnson, if given a 2nd season, could have learned and added new elements or made some changes that added sophistication. But I'm not so sure he's ever been a part of an offense that wasn't relatively simple. So the Eagles parted ways with him and brought in a young, but more experienced offensive mind that has different philosophies. There's no doubt the training wheels have finally been removed and now we'll see just what Hurts is capable of as a passer. 

The defensive change was more of a forced result of silly gamble last season. They couldn't restore Desai and Patricia never endeared himself to the players. 

Heads rolled, but it was because Johnson was in over his head and because the Eagles Organization botched the DC role by hiring two guys and making an in season role switch that backfired. 

I believe the Eagles kept Sirianni for a reason. There were things to learn from last season and changes were necessary on both offense and defense. But it was important to keep the culture the Eagles have been building. Sirianni himself should change with experience. He can start by composing himself in a more mature way. That alone will be absorbed by the players. When the HC has sideline fits, he'll have players that have sideline fits. I think it will be a big help for Sirianni to be around an old vet DC like Fangio everyday.