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In Roob’s Observations: What do Eagles have to do in 2024 to save Nick Sirianni’s job? - NBCSP

1A. What does Nick Sirianni have to do to keep his job beyond 2024? I think it’s pretty clear if the Eagles don’t win a playoff game this year, he’s gone. And he should be. Because if the Eagles lose in the wild-card round or don’t make the playoffs, then you’re looking at a team that reached a Super Bowl in 2022, finished 2023 with a 1-6 record and a blowout playoff loss and then failed to advance in the postseason again in 2024. That’s a trajectory Sirianni wouldn’t be able to survive. If the Eagles don’t win a playoff game this year, that means they lost in the wild-card round for the third time in four years (or earned the No. 1 seed and lost a home game to a wild-card team in the conference semis, which would be even worse). Just getting to the playoffs is no longer enough. Whatever equity Sirianni earned in 2022 is running out. He’s got to prove this team has moved beyond the 2023 collapse and that he still has what it takes to guide a team on a postseason run. The Eagles have real coordinators now. They have unlimited talent on offense, and they’re younger and faster on defense. They have a manageable schedule. Everything is in place for Sirianni to get this team to mid-January. If not, Jeff Lurie won’t have much of a decision to make.

It´s difficult to argue with that, really, although I think it really depends. If they go down in the wildcard round then other circumstances would dictate whether he should be fired, but that´s just my opinion.

While it may take time to adjust with the new coordinators and players early on, the schedule is easier this year and the coordinators are experienced and should be able to stabilize things and get production out of the roster. There really is no excuse this year. They have a SB window. They need to get to the NFCCG this year at least.

If Siri wants off the hot seat, he should start winning multiple SB's. 

39 minutes ago, PoconoDon said:

If Siri wants off the hot seat, he should start winning multiple SB's. 

Yep. 1 isn't enough, just ask Doug. 

5 hours ago, PoconoDon said:

If Siri wants off the hot seat, he should start winning multiple SB's. 

I'd take one SB. 

On 7/8/2024 at 8:47 PM, Procus said:

https://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2024/7/8/24194222/eagles-news-nick-sirianni-gone-philadelphia-doesnt-win-playoff-game-head-coach-fired

In Roob’s Observations: What do Eagles have to do in 2024 to save Nick Sirianni’s job? - NBCSP

1A. What does Nick Sirianni have to do to keep his job beyond 2024? I think it’s pretty clear if the Eagles don’t win a playoff game this year, he’s gone. And he should be. Because if the Eagles lose in the wild-card round or don’t make the playoffs, then you’re looking at a team that reached a Super Bowl in 2022, finished 2023 with a 1-6 record and a blowout playoff loss and then failed to advance in the postseason again in 2024. That’s a trajectory Sirianni wouldn’t be able to survive. If the Eagles don’t win a playoff game this year, that means they lost in the wild-card round for the third time in four years (or earned the No. 1 seed and lost a home game to a wild-card team in the conference semis, which would be even worse). Just getting to the playoffs is no longer enough. Whatever equity Sirianni earned in 2022 is running out. He’s got to prove this team has moved beyond the 2023 collapse and that he still has what it takes to guide a team on a postseason run. The Eagles have real coordinators now. They have unlimited talent on offense, and they’re younger and faster on defense. They have a manageable schedule. Everything is in place for Sirianni to get this team to mid-January. If not, Jeff Lurie won’t have much of a decision to make.

This is a reasonable take. The talent and upside is there for a SB run or NFCCG appearance, but at least making it to the divisional round should be the bare minimum standard for us to roll with Sirianni for another year.

On 7/9/2024 at 12:41 PM, NOTW said:

While it may take time to adjust with the new coordinators and players early on, the schedule is easier this year and the coordinators are experienced and should be able to stabilize things and get production out of the roster. There really is no excuse this year. They have a SB window. They need to get to the NFCCG this year at least.

That's only part of the vice Siri's in.   If the team wins big and the offense kills it, at what point does Siri become more expendable than Moore?

8 hours ago, Procus said:

That's only part of the vice Siri's in.   If the team wins big and the offense kills it, at what point does Siri become more expendable than Moore?

Bud Carson was a great defensive coordinator, but a terrible head coach.

In the case of Sirianni, being a HC with a coaching background on offense, he should have no problem replacing Moore and keeping the system in place. I think people are overcomplicating the "what if we win" scenario. 

There's no coaching salary cap. An owner can pay a coordinator to stay if he wants to. 

He is 100% on the hotseat.  A wonder why he is even still the HC.  

On 6/28/2024 at 10:35 PM, SNOORDA said:

Even with the additions of Barkley and others and new coordinators I’m not expecting us to go 10 or 11-0.  
 

but I would be surprised if we don’t win the east with all the talent on this roster.   In which case it would be clear that the HC gots to go  I mean that choke job the team had the last 7 games or whatever last season I thought was cause to fire Siri and the whole coaching staff personally   

i still Have plenty of faith in Hurts as it sits.  But he will need to ball out from the jump and continue to ball for 17+ weeks this season and if not I could be on the fence 

If Sirianni has truly taken a step back from the offense and is letting Moore do his thing then hats off to him. I still wonder if he has the ability to get this team out of a spiral if it starts. If this team is very successful then it’s likely Moore gets a job and then we are back to square one with Sirianni. For as much as people want to trash Jalen, we’ll Sirianni has a losing record with any quarterback not named Jalen so maybe it’s time for some to realize Jalen is a greater part of the success of this team than this particular head coach. 

On 6/18/2024 at 1:19 PM, eglz1 said:

I don't think Sirianni has to go the the Super Bowl to keep his job.  Were you beating the "Fire Him!!" drum after 11 games last year? I doubt it. What will get him fired is if the team appears rudderless as they did the last few games last year. Steering the team is a job of a head coach, minutae shouldn't be.

I was not wanting him to be fired after eleven games, but the thing is the league doesn’t stop playing at eleven games. The team was in a free fall and the coach did nothing to stop it. I believe at some point in Kotite’s last season as the Eagles HC he was something like 7-2. At that point he was demanding an extension, but alas they play a full season and he never won another game. Sirianni went 1-7 in his final eight games. 

On 6/17/2024 at 5:19 AM, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I don’t think it’ll lead to a new QB in the next year or so but I do get what you mean as Jalen needs stability. Unfortunately he’s unlikely to get that with Moore coming in because if Moore does well he may be off next year.

I doubt they move on from Jalen, but stranger things have happened. He would have lasted longer in his extension than the previous guy though. 😂

[“On the surface, it seemed Johnson's promotion would be seamless. But it quickly became apparent Johnson and Hurts were on a different page than Sirianni, who wanted to keep his scheme largely the same under the premise of "if it ain't broke, don't fix it." Hurts, now a bonafide franchise quarterback, was looking for greater authority over the offense, according to two sources close to him. He and Johnson wanted the system to evolve and become more layered, team sources said.

"When Brian got [promoted], I think he thought, 'I could do the thing that I've wanted to do,'" a team source said. "That didn't fly as much with Nick."]
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/40735599/philadelphia-eagles-jalen-hurts-nick-sirianni-disconnect

It is concerning this relationship fell apart so quickly. It is also hard to believe that Sirianni is planning to just give up power and I’m more concerned about what happens if Moore leaves the team.

We haven't played a single game that counts and people are worried about Siriani's future, what if our coordinators leave, Jalen's future. Geez. Let's play some games and come January when the dust settles we will have our answers. 

2 hours ago, xstonr said:

We haven't played a single game that counts and people are worried about Siriani's future, what if our coordinators leave, Jalen's future. Geez. Let's play some games and come January when the dust settles we will have our answers. 

I agree to an extent. This could have been resolved if they moved on from Sirianni, but if this falls apart waiting will be the culprit. Its seems we now will have to wait and hope this doesn’t fail. If it does then it’s obvious that we will have a rebuild type year that could have been dealt with this year. Unnecessary setback for a HC that many of us still wonder what he does here. 

2 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

I agree to an extent. This could have been resolved if they moved on from Sirianni, but if this falls apart waiting will be the culprit. Its seems we now will have to wait and hope this doesn’t fail. If it does then it’s obvious that we will have a rebuild type year that could have been dealt with this year. Unnecessary setback for a HC that many of us still wonder what he does here. 

I still just don’t know how this is going to go with Sirianni… But it does just feel like if we do well then the credit goes to the coordinators and if we don’t then the blame goes to him. But I guess we shall see.

10 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I still just don’t know how this is going to go with Sirianni… But it does just feel like if we do well then the credit goes to the coordinators and if we don’t then the blame goes to him. But I guess we shall see.

Ultimately this is how I view it as well. Perhaps locally Siri will get his just due, but Moore is the one who gets a new HC job and then what? Are we back to the Sirianni if it’s not broke don’t fix it mentality that led teams to find them predictable and easy to stop? Does he get yet another coordinator to replace Moore having Jalen to learn yet another offense? What even is Sirianni’s offensive philosophy at this point? 

1 hour ago, EazyEaglez said:

Ultimately this is how I view it as well. Perhaps locally Siri will get his just due, but Moore is the one who gets a new HC job and then what? Are we back to the Sirianni if it’s not broke don’t fix it mentality that led teams to find them predictable and easy to stop? Does he get yet another coordinator to replace Moore having Jalen to learn yet another offense? What even is Sirianni’s offensive philosophy at this point? 

The problem for Sirianni is I just don’t think he’s special at anything. Can he be a good CEO type HC? Yeah I think he can be. He’s a good motivator and sets a good culture on the whole. But he’s not a great offensive mind and he’s not a defensive coach either. And so he’s completely reliant on having those good minds as his coordinators.

1 hour ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

[Snip] And so he’s completely reliant on having those good minds as his coordinators.

Here´s the thing, though. Great leaders are able to recognise they are only as good as the talent they surround themselves with. Being able to recognise your own weaknesses and strengths, and then to adjust your setup accordingly, takes honesty and courage. I think Siri has those traits, and that´s why I think he will be fine.

That said, I do somewhat agree with the tone of the mood music here, which implies that he´s Fed if he succeeds and Fed if he fails. Credit will fall elsewhere, blame will lie squarely on his shoulders

3 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

The problem for Sirianni is I just don’t think he’s special at anything. Can he be a good CEO type HC? Yeah I think he can be. He’s a good motivator and sets a good culture on the whole. But he’s not a great offensive mind and he’s not a defensive coach either. And so he’s completely reliant on having those good minds as his coordinators.

His background was the WR position. Since he has been here, we have had good WR play. He's still pretty young and I would assume capable of learning new things as well. So if the team has success, hopefully he retains that information and also learns from the failures that happen along the way. 

6 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

The problem for Sirianni is I just don’t think he’s special at anything. Can he be a good CEO type HC? Yeah I think he can be. He’s a good motivator and sets a good culture on the whole. But he’s not a great offensive mind and he’s not a defensive coach either. And so he’s completely reliant on having those good minds as his coordinators.

There was a time when I absolutely agreed with the idea that Sirianni was a good motivator until last season. I mean what happened during that collapse? Why did he make the DC coordinator change? Why was he so unwilling to be more flexible with the offense? The Eagles cited Sirianni got another chance because they made him change his coordinators and that he has a good record. I mean is that it? I hope they’re not overrating his talent to motivate. Frankly Jalen is probably one of the hardest workers we have seen with this team in a long time and even he looked barely motivated for much of last season. When the going gets tough we will really find out how good a motivator Sirianni truly is. 

2 hours ago, brkmsn said:

His background was the WR position. Since he has been here, we have had good WR play. He's still pretty young and I would assume capable of learning new things as well. So if the team has success, hopefully he retains that information and also learns from the failures that happen along the way. 

So we really are trying to claim that Brown and Smith are good because of Siri? That’s laughable, and what happened to all the other receivers like your bud Quez Watkins? Why did the WR guru not figure out that using motion and moving receivers around "like putting Smith in the slot” was a good idea? And why would Sirianni get credit for any of the receivers development when he’s not the receivers coach? 

Can't wait till Sirriani gets a 5 year extension after this season

1 hour ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

Can't wait till Sirriani gets a 5 year extension after this season

It's a fine way to celebrate winning the Super Bowl