6 hours ago, brkmsn said:

His background was the WR position. Since he has been here, we have had good WR play. He's still pretty young and I would assume capable of learning new things as well. So if the team has success, hopefully he retains that information and also learns from the failures that happen along the way. 

I mean hard to really gauge how much of an influence Sirianni has had on the WRs there bud. It’s easy to look good with the WRs when you have AJ Brown and Smitty isn’t it? It’s not like the WR #3 who needs that development and support has looked great really.

4 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I mean hard to really gauge how much of an influence Sirianni has had on the WRs there bud. It’s easy to look good with the WRs when you have AJ Brown and Smitty isn’t it? It’s not like the WR #3 who needs that development and support has looked great really.

Smith was drafted 4 months after Sirianni was hired. Brown was acquired the next year. I would imagine Sirianni was involved with both decisions. Until this draft, we haven't even drafted a WR since Smith. Brown has had his 2 best seasons as an Eagle. Smith played very well as a rookie and has improved each season. Even before Brown was acquired, Quez played opposite Smith on the outside and was actually very good. 

But what about WR3 or the slot receiver on this team? I think we all want more production there. But the way the Eagles have utilized the slot receiver the last 3 seasons has more to do with the lack of production than the players we have used. JJAW was asked to be a blocker and to create picks. Reagor and Watkins were asked to stretch the field . As the primary slot receivers, we know they just weren't part of plan in regard to touches. They had roles, but how many times did Sirianni have to state that the passing game simply went through Smith, Brown and Goedert?

Well JJAW and Reagor didn't ever live up to their draft status as WRs so it's fair to wonder why Sirianni didn't bring out the best in those guys. I kind of feel like they had the Na Brown syndrome where they were productive as pass catchers in practice, but once the pressure of a real NFL game was on, they choked. Quez, on the other hand, was a late round draft pick that impressed on the outside his 2nd year. But he wasn't a good fit in the slot. Quez made a few mistakes, and of course people have exaggerated them. He entered 2023 with only 6 career regular season drops and finished 2023 with 6 career drops and still only had 1 career fumble. At the end of the regular season, he had to fill in for Smith and played on the outside and was once again productive. I think it would be foolish for another team to play him inside. 

I think Sirianni needs to change his philosophy a bit and make sure everybody (WR, TE, RB)  that takes snaps with the starters in games is also a viable target option on passing plays. I still want to feature our top guys for sure, but teams shouldn't make covering the WR3 on a play is a low priority because at most that position will see 3 targets a game (usually less). I don't care if one guy stands out and wins the role or if it's a platoon, but they need to run routes and expect to be thrown to. That will make things a lot harder for opposing defenses. 

The bottom line is Sirianni needs to learn from mistakes like everybody else and to also learn from success. Sirianni probably learned things from Steichen, but Johnson was an in-house-promotion that probably didn't have anything new to teach Nick. Moore is here now and if the offense thrives, Nick has to learn from it and be willing to apply the things he learned moving forward even if we eventually have to replace Moore. I just think it's weird to claim Sirianni adds nothing when overall, his background area of specialty has been a consistent positive each season.

8 hours ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

Can't wait till Sirriani gets a 5 year extension after this season

I would be ecstatic to see so long as he earned it. 

20 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

I would be ecstatic to see so long as he earned it. 

I'm still a big fan of Siri, I think we will be all right. I know all the concerns and what not but, I think he learned or will learn from it. 

8 hours ago, brkmsn said:

Smith was drafted 4 months after Sirianni was hired. Brown was acquired the next year. I would imagine Sirianni was involved with both decisions. Until this draft, we haven't even drafted a WR since Smith. Brown has had his 2 best seasons as an Eagle. Smith played very well as a rookie and has improved each season. Even before Brown was acquired, Quez played opposite Smith on the outside and was actually very good. 

Firstly bud I know we are debating but I just wanted to say great post and really well balanced argument. I’ll try to pick out each of your points and respond.

Hey I’m not suggesting that Sirianni didn’t have an influence on those picks or trading for AJ. I’m not saying he’s not done a thing to develop the WRs. I’m just saying that he has had talent to work with which wasn’t the case for a long time.

9 hours ago, brkmsn said:

But what about WR3 or the slot receiver on this team? I think we all want more production there. But the way the Eagles have utilized the slot receiver the last 3 seasons has more to do with the lack of production than the players we have used. JJAW was asked to be a blocker and to create picks. Reagor and Watkins were asked to stretch the field . As the primary slot receivers, we know they just weren't part of plan in regard to touches. They had roles, but how many times did Sirianni have to state that the passing game simply went through Smith, Brown and Goedert?

You are absolutely right here and in this offense with all the talent we have the WR3 role is there to complement rather than be a lead. The offense goes through the top 3 and now I guess you’d add Saquon on to that. But the WR3 options also haven’t been good. Quez after a promising year was really bad in 2022 and you just could not rely on him to make the catches. We don’t need a stud in the slot but we need a reliable option in there.

9 hours ago, brkmsn said:

The bottom line is Sirianni needs to learn from mistakes like everybody else and to also learn from success. Sirianni probably learned things from Steichen, but Johnson was an in-house-promotion that probably didn't have anything new to teach Nick.

Yeah you are right the key is that Sirianni grows and develops. He had a great 2022 and then things fell apart after a good start in 2023. He’s now got to show that he can get things back on track and turn things around. Do I think he can? If he leaves the offense to Moore and Fangio does his thing then yeah I think so. But the way it all fell apart if we start slow things could go sideways fast.

15 hours ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

I'm still a big fan of Siri, I think we will be all right. I know all the concerns and what not but, I think he learned or will learn from it. 

Perhaps he will, but in stressful situations people tend to revert back to who they were. Let’s see what he does when the going gets tough. 

Lol psych

https://x.com/_MLFootball/status/1833578300587053446https://x.com/_MLFootball/status/1833578300587053446

NEWS: #Eagles HC Nick Sirianni now has the highest win percentage of any active #NFL head coach. Sirianni has a .673 winning percentage.

This quarterback and this coach are pretty joined at the hip. Sirianni’s win % not nearly as good without QB1 under center. 

Yeah, I agree. Just thinking it's quite funny how there's so much negative noise about QB1 and HC yet here we are 

As much as the hate Siriani gets, he is the only Eagles coach in my lifetime that actually likes running the ball.

2 hours ago, opa-opa said:

As much as the hate Siriani gets, he is the only Eagles coach in my lifetime that actually likes running the ball.

Not really, Ray Rhodes loved running the ball.

9 hours ago, Jeep_man said:

Not really, Ray Rhodes loved running the ball.

Wouldn't that have been Jon gruden being that Rhodes was all about defense 

On 9/10/2024 at 4:12 PM, kiwinavega said:

NEWS: #Eagles HC Nick Sirianni now has the highest win percentage of any active #NFL head coach. Sirianni has a .673 winning percentage.

They forgot about Harbaugh.

Super Bowl era.  50+ games.

 

 

I'm reminded of Office Space when it comes to Sirrianni.

 

Media: Mr. Sirianni, what would you say you do here?

Siri: Well I talk to the media and I walk around just owning all this success. I don't actually do anything but I take credit for everything. You just don't want all that weight on the shoulders of the people actually doing stuff. So you could say, I'm like the shoulder ma pads.

3 hours ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

They forgot about Harbaugh.

Super Bowl era.  50+ games.

 

 

I could cry …this statistics should be credited to Coordinators and not Siri. This idiot had one after another great coach as a supporting cast. The only thing that I can truly praise him for, is a Human Resources award. Eagles are good at that. And of course Watering flowers statement, crying, and hugging the players. lol.
 

1 hour ago, Traveler Vic said:

I could cry …this statistics should be credited to Coordinators and not Siri. This idiot had one after another great coach as a supporting cast. The only thing that I can truly praise him for, is a Human Resources award. Eagles are good at that. And of course Watering flowers statement, crying, and hugging the players. lol.
 

It's funny how there were so many calls for Steichen to be fired in his first season here and Gannon, longer than that. Then last season, nobody was impressed with the coordinators. Now all of a sudden, these guys were "great."

1 hour ago, brkmsn said:

It's funny how there were so many calls for Steichen to be fired in his first season here and Gannon, longer than that. Then last season, nobody was impressed with the coordinators. Now all of a sudden, these guys were "great."

I always had respect for Steichen.. Same for Gannon. Did not share those sentiments.

On 9/10/2024 at 4:47 PM, EazyEaglez said:

This quarterback and this coach are pretty joined at the hip. Sirianni’s win % not nearly as good without QB1 under center. 

You could say that about ANY head coach

This one is on the coaches.  If they kick that FG on 4th and 3 in the first quarter, they win.

If they take the sure thing and run on 3 and short close to the goal, they win.

Being aggressive is good.  Being reckless is not.

Clock may be winding down on the Sirianni era in Philly.

Just now, Procus said:

If they take the sure thing and run on 3 and short close to the goal, they win.

If they run I’d put a lot of money on them getting 2 yards at least and then you go for it on 4th with the brotherly shove. But no they true to be cute.

5 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

If they run I’d put a lot of money on them getting 2 yards at least and then you go for it on 4th with the brotherly shove. But no they true to be cute.

exactly - and the clock keeps ticking in any event

Just now, Procus said:

exactly - and the clock keeps ticking in any event

Precisely. And look they still would of had enough time given how soft our D went but you give yourself a better chance at getting the first down to finish the game.

10 minutes ago, Procus said:

This one is on the coaches.  If they kick that FG on 4th and 3 in the first quarter, they win.

If they take the sure thing and run on 3 and short close to the goal, they win.

Being aggressive is good.  Being reckless is not.

Clock may be winding down on the Sirianni era in Philly.

Who was he flipping out on during our last possession? I didn’t see a ref anywhere close. 

Fire that mother Fer