32 minutes ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

So. We spent the entire offseason calling Sirianni a cheerleader, but now that things go bad suddenly he's not a cheerleader and was the person directly responsible even with someone else's offense and someone else's playcalling?

Why don't we actually pick a side, rather than just doing what's convenient to confirm our feelings?

Is Sirianni a cheerleader, or is he the one who made the playcall? He can't be both.

Yes, Moore made the play call.

Siri isn't calling plays, but he is responsible for the overall game plan and strategy on all 3 phases of the game. He's responsible for decisions to go for it or kick/punt. He's responsible if things aren't going well to work with his coaches and players to make the adjustments needed. 

If we're going to talk about choosing what to criticize Siri about, then we need to be clear on what he does and what he actually IS responsible for. When Moore is calling the plays, what is Siri doing? During timeouts and halftime, what is Siri doing? Obviously the head coach does things. There are other head coaches that don't call plays.

So what parts is he responsible for? What parts does he get either credit or blame for? As the head coach, he is responsible for running all aspects of the team. Obviously different coaches and players make their mistakes and that's not Siri's fault. Siri didn't drop a pass or throw an INT or fail to rush the passer. But when you're the leader, and there are many problems including your own decisions and game management, you get blame.

 

15 minutes ago, NOTW said:

Yes, Moore made the play call.

If Moore made the play call, then he deserves to be called out for it.  Have we learned nothing from this play?

 

25 minutes ago, NOTW said:

Yes, Moore made the play call.

Siri isn't calling plays, but he is responsible for the overall game plan and strategy on all 3 phases of the game. He's responsible for decisions to go for it or kick/punt. He's responsible if things aren't going well to work with his coaches and players to make the adjustments needed. 

If we're going to talk about choosing what to criticize Siri about, then we need to be clear on what he does and what he actually IS responsible for. When Moore is calling the plays, what is Siri doing? During timeouts and halftime, what is Siri doing? Obviously the head coach does things. There are other head coaches that don't call plays.

So what parts is he responsible for? What parts does he get either credit or blame for? As the head coach, he is responsible for running all aspects of the team. Obviously different coaches and players make their mistakes and that's not Siri's fault. Siri didn't drop a pass or throw an INT or fail to rush the passer. But when you're the leader, and there are many problems including your own decisions and game management, you get blame.

 

So he's a cheerleader enough to be made fun of, but not enough that things are the fault of the actual people that do them. Everyone acted like he had no job and did nothing, but now he does something.

I dunno. Sounds like people don't have integrity and are bending their positions to whatever is convenient for the narrative. I wouldn't get on people so much if they took clear positions and actually stuck with them rather than being wishy-washy constantly and wanting to win both sides of the narrative.

Get him gone I’m done I will never get over that L

I don't know how Siri kept his job after last season... 

He does absolutely nothing well. 

4 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I’m not sure we are a transitional team at this point? The money we are paying our star players we need to be contenders and if we aren’t then we are in trouble. We gave a pretty big contract to Barkley to win now… He’s not going to be the same in a year or so after heavier usage.

The Eagles think they’re contenders, but they’re not. They lack depth, and talent. Their coordinators are in their first year here and could be fired if this all falls apart. The young talent hasn’t made the jump we all hoped for. There’s too much influx to view this team as a real contender. Lots of veteran leadership lost in the trenches. They are a poor defense overall. Remember the Doug year when they forced him to get all of those coordinators? Remember how poor that worked out? Now it’s all supposed to work? Miami couldn’t wait to send Fangio packing. I think I’m starting to see why.

On 9/12/2024 at 6:18 PM, Procus said:

You could say that about ANY head coach

Well this quarterback is often trashed to the point where people think Siri can drudge out any quarterback and be successful and that hasn’t been the case.

5 hours ago, Procus said:

If Moore made the play call, then he deserves to be called out for it.  Have we learned nothing from this play?

 

Why would they do that when Sirianni is the narrative target?

1 hour ago, EazyEaglez said:

The Eagles think they’re contenders, but they’re not. They lack depth, and talent. Their coordinators are in their first year here and could be fired if this all falls apart. The young talent hasn’t made the jump we all hoped for. There’s too much influx to view this team as a real contender. Lots of veteran leadership lost in the trenches. They are a poor defense overall. Remember the Doug year when they forced him to get all of those coordinators? Remember how poor that worked out? Now it’s all supposed to work? Miami couldn’t wait to send Fangio packing. I think I’m starting to see why.

Almost like losing both your coordinators after a Super Bowl was a situation that people here should have taken more seriously. Instead their got their hopes up during the winning streak, got super in their feelings, and got mad at Sirianni because they felt betrayed rather than realizing, oh crap, maybe losing your entire framework is an issue.

How many times did Doug deal with that? 0 times.
How about Reid with the Eagles? 0 times.
How about Kelly? 0 times.

You'll notice nearly every one of the few seasons in NFL history where a team lost both coordinators to head coaching jobs has ended poorly.

But nah, forget the logic. People's feelings got hurt, and that's all they care about.

On 9/11/2024 at 6:17 PM, brkmsn said:

It's funny how there were so many calls for Steichen to be fired in his first season here and Gannon, longer than that. Then last season, nobody was impressed with the coordinators. Now all of a sudden, these guys were "great."

This happens all the time with this board. People have no integrity and twist their opinions all around to fit their narrative. Remember how Frank Reich was the mastermind behind Doug Pederson's Super Bowl team? How'd that work out?

If you aren't running the offense, and you aren't running the defense, your game management and decision making better be damn near 100%. That game last night was lost because of coaching and not just Siriani but as a CEO coach he has take the L for that. Also, after everything that happened last season there is no benefit of the doubt or margin for error. They should've fired him after last season and they will pay the price for it this year.

On 8/8/2024 at 4:32 PM, brkmsn said:

Smith was drafted 4 months after Sirianni was hired. Brown was acquired the next year. I would imagine Sirianni was involved with both decisions. Until this draft, we haven't even drafted a WR since Smith. Brown has had his 2 best seasons as an Eagle. Smith played very well as a rookie and has improved each season. Even before Brown was acquired, Quez played opposite Smith on the outside and was actually very good. 

But what about WR3 or the slot receiver on this team? I think we all want more production there. But the way the Eagles have utilized the slot receiver the last 3 seasons has more to do with the lack of production than the players we have used. JJAW was asked to be a blocker and to create picks. Reagor and Watkins were asked to stretch the field . As the primary slot receivers, we know they just weren't part of plan in regard to touches. They had roles, but how many times did Sirianni have to state that the passing game simply went through Smith, Brown and Goedert?

Well JJAW and Reagor didn't ever live up to their draft status as WRs so it's fair to wonder why Sirianni didn't bring out the best in those guys. I kind of feel like they had the Na Brown syndrome where they were productive as pass catchers in practice, but once the pressure of a real NFL game was on, they choked. Quez, on the other hand, was a late round draft pick that impressed on the outside his 2nd year. But he wasn't a good fit in the slot. Quez made a few mistakes, and of course people have exaggerated them. He entered 2023 with only 6 career regular season drops and finished 2023 with 6 career drops and still only had 1 career fumble. At the end of the regular season, he had to fill in for Smith and played on the outside and was once again productive. I think it would be foolish for another team to play him inside. 

I think Sirianni needs to change his philosophy a bit and make sure everybody (WR, TE, RB)  that takes snaps with the starters in games is also a viable target option on passing plays. I still want to feature our top guys for sure, but teams shouldn't make covering the WR3 on a play is a low priority because at most that position will see 3 targets a game (usually less). I don't care if one guy stands out and wins the role or if it's a platoon, but they need to run routes and expect to be thrown to. That will make things a lot harder for opposing defenses. 

The bottom line is Sirianni needs to learn from mistakes like everybody else and to also learn from success. Sirianni probably learned things from Steichen, but Johnson was an in-house-promotion that probably didn't have anything new to teach Nick. Moore is here now and if the offense thrives, Nick has to learn from it and be willing to apply the things he learned moving forward even if we eventually have to replace Moore. I just think it's weird to claim Sirianni adds nothing when overall, his background area of specialty has been a consistent positive each season.

I want Siri's head on the plate. He keeps repeating the same stupid mistakes that do not work. 5 passes and out to start the game??? This guy is an idiot. Meanwhile New Orleans uses their RBs  to break the highest scoring records in the NFL. What will it take??? for Eagles to loose  this dark cloud of the coach ..over this whole upcoming year.

3 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

The Eagles think they’re contenders, but they’re not. They lack depth, and talent. Their coordinators are in their first year here and could be fired if this all falls apart. The young talent hasn’t made the jump we all hoped for. There’s too much influx to view this team as a real contender. Lots of veteran leadership lost in the trenches. They are a poor defense overall. Remember the Doug year when they forced him to get all of those coordinators? Remember how poor that worked out? Now it’s all supposed to work? Miami couldn’t wait to send Fangio packing. I think I’m starting to see why.

I both agree and disagree bud. There’s a lot of top end talent on this roster and in the NFC I think we really should be a contender. Our offense has the fire power to be a top 5 offense. That said I’m not sure the defense is what we hoped. I don’t think we expected it to be a top defense but I think we thought there were pieces to like but the concerns we had are really showing up.

in some ways i actually want us to lose the next 2 if it means the cheerleading idiot is fired.

 

13 hours ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

So. We spent the entire offseason calling Sirianni a cheerleader, but now that things go bad suddenly he's not a cheerleader and was the person directly responsible even with someone else's offense and someone else's playcalling?

Why don't we actually pick a side, rather than just doing what's convenient to confirm our feelings?

Is Sirianni a cheerleader, or is he the one who made the playcall? He can't be both.

He's Schrödinger's coach. He's simultaneously responsible for all the bad things and has nothing to do with anything good 

They're not bad people.

They just play bad football.

6 hours ago, Traveler Vic said:

I want Siri's head on the plate. He keeps repeating the same stupid mistakes that do not work. 5 passes and out to start the game??? This guy is an idiot. Meanwhile New Orleans uses their RBs  to break the highest scoring records in the NFL. What will it take??? for Eagles to loose  this dark cloud of the coach ..over this whole upcoming year.

I agree, the play-caller should make better play-calls. Oh wait.

1 hour ago, rrfierce said:

in some ways i actually want us to lose the next 2 if it means the cheerleading idiot is fired.

 

So you want the person who actually made  the terrible play-calls that everyone is complaining about to be the head coach for the rest of the season? Sounds logical.

29 minutes ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

So you want the person who actually made  the terrible play-calls that everyone is complaining about to be the head coach for the rest of the season? Sounds logical.

Thats not what i said at all?

7 hours ago, Traveler Vic said:

I want Siri's head on the plate. He keeps repeating the same stupid mistakes that do not work. 5 passes and out to start the game??? This guy is an idiot. Meanwhile New Orleans uses their RBs  to break the highest scoring records in the NFL. What will it take??? for Eagles to loose  this dark cloud of the coach ..over this whole upcoming year.

I thought Moore was supposedly going to come in here with all these weapons and have tremendous success to the degree that our biggest worry was another team signing him away and being stuck with Nick as the head coach. Moore called the plays. But it wasn't 5 passes and out. We opened with a pass for a 1st down. Next play was a play action pass to Covey nullified by a penalty. Then Hurts kept it on a read option. Then a short pass to Covey followed by a designed QB draw on 3rd and 9. 

Not a great 1st series, but I liked the idea in this game to reestablish Hurts as a dual threat and it did pay off the rest of the game. 

So, you're mad because Barkley was nothing but a decoy on our 1st possession. We used him in the game, though, right? He had 22 carries for 95 yards rushing and 4 catches for 21 yards receiving, a two point conversion, and that unfortunate drop on his 5th target. 

28 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

I thought Moore was supposedly going to come in here with all these weapons and have tremendous success to the degree that our biggest worry was another team signing him away and being stuck with Nick as the head coach. Moore called the plays. But it wasn't 5 passes and out. We opened with a pass for a 1st down. Next play was a play action pass to Covey nullified by a penalty. Then Hurts kept it on a read option. Then a short pass to Covey followed by a designed QB draw on 3rd and 9. 

Not a great 1st series, but I liked the idea in this game to reestablish Hurts as a dual threat and it did pay off the rest of the game. 

So, you're mad because Barkley was nothing but a decoy on our 1st possession. We used him in the game, though, right? He had 22 carries for 95 yards rushing and 4 catches for 21 yards receiving, a two point conversion, and that unfortunate drop on his 5th target. 

im sorry, is nick more important than seeing this team win? because if this team does sink to the bottom, he has to go, they cant bring him back or else players are going to want out. super bowl in 2022 doesnt not excuse of what he's doing right now, he's losing the locker room that's the difference right now. cant waste talent over someone you can easily replace.

51 minutes ago, toughfighter83 said:

cant waste talent over someone you can easily replace.

Sure it's easy to replace a head coach. To replace an existing head coach with a better head coach may not be so simple. I was not in favor of replacing Sirianni after last year, the coordinator mess was too much. If he makes screws up this year as well, it's time for a hard look. One question I'd have is how much operational input does Howie & Lurie have. Have you even been put in a situation where you were given a task where you had little authority over that assignment but will get the blame when the boss's genius plan fails?

10 hours ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

Almost like losing both your coordinators after a Super Bowl was a situation that people here should have taken more seriously. Instead their got their hopes up during the winning streak, got super in their feelings, and got mad at Sirianni because they felt betrayed rather than realizing, oh crap, maybe losing your entire framework is an issue.

How many times did Doug deal with that? 0 times.
How about Reid with the Eagles? 0 times.
How about Kelly? 0 times.

You'll notice nearly every one of the few seasons in NFL history where a team lost both coordinators to head coaching jobs has ended poorly.

But nah, forget the logic. People's feelings got hurt, and that's all they care about.

It goes back to the Eagles though, because they’re the ones who forced Siriani (just like they forced Doug) to panic and change those new coordinators. Didn’t allow these guys to develop and grow. Both coordinators were young and new on the job. That’s why none of this made sense to begin with. You either fire Sirianni or you let him have control over his own staff. The Eagles FO is a bit too meddlesome when it comes to this. 

7 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I both agree and disagree bud. There’s a lot of top end talent on this roster and in the NFC I think we really should be a contender. Our offense has the fire power to be a top 5 offense. That said I’m not sure the defense is what we hoped. I don’t think we expected it to be a top defense but I think we thought there were pieces to like but the concerns we had are really showing up.

Now Brown is out for a few weeks with a hamstring injury. This offense is clearly not the same when he’s out. Don’t let one of these linemen go down, because the backups are terrible. This defense is bend and break so they barely stop anyone when you need them the most. Jalen continues to make turnovers. Not for nothing, but even with everything that happened he only needed about 15 yards to get into field goal range and he throws a pick. Unacceptable. This team is not good enough.