Procus Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 From the looks of the lay of the land, Sirianni is walking a tightrope this season. If the team stinks it up with this roster and coaching staff, he's got problems. If the offense lights it up and Kellen Moore becomes a hot head coaching commodity, he's got problems. The only way I see this working is if this team wins primarily as a result of being a defensive juggernaut, with the offense not setting the world on fire. Most ways this shakes out, Sirianni is on the hot seat and may not be the head coach of this team this time next season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmericanEagle77 Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 13 minutes ago, Procus said: From the looks of the lay of the land, Sirianni is walking a tightrope this season. If the team stinks it up with this roster and coaching staff, he's got problems. If the offense lights it up and Kellen Moore becomes a hot head coaching commodity, he's got problems. The only way I see this working is if this team wins primarily as a result of being a defensive juggernaut, with the offense not setting the world on fire. Most ways this shakes out, Sirianni is on the hot seat and may not be the head coach of this team this time next season. Sirianni is on the hot seat because Philadelphia won't have patience for him regardless of what he does. The thing is, a lot of the other coaches we've had have been protected from this kind of issue, and a lot of people are ignoring what happened with other coaches. For example, how Andy Reid had trouble after losing his primary assistants, or how the Eagles under Doug got worse after losing Frank Reich, and it taking time to overcome that problem. And those two things happened with coaches that had known stronger offensive roots than Sirianni was taught. Then on top of that, none of those above people lost both their chief coordinators in the same season, and the history of the year following that happening for most teams is AWFUL. However, emotion runs stronger than logic, and so the perceived feel of what happen outweighs what actually happened for a lot of people in the area. Or put in short, people are really looking for a reason to get rid of him rather than to keep him. It's kind of crazy for me how he seems to be more disliked than even Chip was at the end of his tenure. 6 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Procus Posted June 10 Author Share Posted June 10 33 minutes ago, AmericanEagle77 said: Sirianni is on the hot seat because Philadelphia won't have patience for him regardless of what he does. The thing is, a lot of the other coaches we've had have been protected from this kind of issue, and a lot of people are ignoring what happened with other coaches. For example, how Andy Reid had trouble after losing his primary assistants, or how the Eagles under Doug got worse after losing Frank Reich, and it taking time to overcome that problem. And those two things happened with coaches that had known stronger offensive roots than Sirianni was taught. Then on top of that, none of those above people lost both their chief coordinators in the same season, and the history of the year following that happening for most teams is AWFUL. However, emotion runs stronger than logic, and so the perceived feel of what happen outweighs what actually happened for a lot of people in the area. Or put in short, people are really looking for a reason to get rid of him rather than to keep him. It's kind of crazy for me how he seems to be more disliked than even Chip was at the end of his tenure. I totally get supporting the guy. His record as HC speaks for itself. But the one wildcard is Kellen Moore. If the offense takes off under him and is carrying the team, Moore will be a hot head coaching commodity. It's not such a jump to think that Lurie would rather keep the better offensive mind and let Siri walk. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToastJenkins Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 57 minutes ago, Procus said: From the looks of the lay of the land, Sirianni is walking a tightrope this season. If the team stinks it up with this roster and coaching staff, he's got problems. If the offense lights it up and Kellen Moore becomes a hot head coaching commodity, he's got problems. The only way I see this working is if this team wins primarily as a result of being a defensive juggernaut, with the offense not setting the world on fire. Most ways this shakes out, Sirianni is on the hot seat and may not be the head coach of this team this time next season. Shut up, dummy 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eglz1 Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 7 minutes ago, Procus said: I totally get supporting the guy. His record as HC speaks for itself. But the one wildcard is Kellen Moore. If the offense takes off under him and is carrying the team, Moore will be a hot head coaching commodity. It's not such a jump to think that Lurie would rather keep the better offensive mind and let Siri walk. I think Siri does what Jeffrey wants, even if what Jeffrey wants may not necessarily be what Siri would choose. Would Moore be as compliant? I wonder if last year's cluster fu ......er mess was all on Siri, or maybe Lowie had a hand in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Procus Posted June 11 Author Share Posted June 11 7 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said: Shut up, dummy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Procus Posted June 11 Author Share Posted June 11 23 minutes ago, eglz1 said: I think Siri does what Jeffrey wants, even if what Jeffrey wants may not necessarily be what Siri would choose. Would Moore be as compliant? I wonder if last year's cluster fu ......er mess was all on Siri, or maybe Lowie had a hand in it. I think the wildcard is Kellen Moore. Is he this great offensive wizard? I doubt he's the second coming of Andy Reid, but we'll see what he can do with the stacked roster he's being handed. Reid was a unicorn, but Lurie did hand over the keys to him for a good part of his tenure here. Point being is that there's precedent for Lurie backing off as owner and letting the right guy with his head screwed on straight take the reins because it would be too much of a loss to let him walk. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmericanEagle77 Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 47 minutes ago, Procus said: I totally get supporting the guy. His record as HC speaks for itself. But the one wildcard is Kellen Moore. If the offense takes off under him and is carrying the team, Moore will be a hot head coaching commodity. It's not such a jump to think that Lurie would rather keep the better offensive mind and let Siri walk. I kind of think he's doomed personally. City just doesn't like him. Personally I think the real reason he's had some issues is losing both his assistants combined with being taught an ineffective system. If you think about it, no one in his tree has found sustained success in the NFL. Some think Steichen will, but he's the only one. And I think this isn't a factor of the people, but a factor of the system itself. That's actually a pretty fixable problem though - and what we're doing right now is exactly how you fix it. However, right now the trend is gambling on younger coaches, mostly failing, and canning them in 3 years for a new one while remaining in mediocrity, so we'll see how that goes. But we can't keep selecting coaches that reach or win the SB in a row forever. Two different SB appearances in 6 years with two different regimes is already something people talk about Howie before because it almost never happens, and if this is how things are right now, and we don't reach SB for 6 more years, good Fing luck next head coach. Good luck. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Procus Posted June 11 Author Share Posted June 11 1 minute ago, AmericanEagle77 said: But we can't keep selecting coaches that reach or win the SB in a row forever. Two different SB appearances in 6 years with two different regimes is already something people talk about Howie before because it almost never happens, and if this is how things are right now, and we don't reach SB for 6 more years, good Fing luck next head coach. Good luck. But here's the secret sauce you're not getting - what happens if Kellen Moore leaves to become a head coach elsewhere. For instance, Dallas. It's a huge huge loss to the team if he pans out and puts together a good offense here only to leave to a rival. We saw what happened last year when Streichen wasn't properly replaced. Unless there is some other hot offensive mind who becomes available, it would put the team right back at square one if he left, even more than where it would be if Siri left. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmericanEagle77 Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 39 minutes ago, Procus said: But here's the secret sauce you're not getting - what happens if Kellen Moore leaves to become a head coach elsewhere. For instance, Dallas. It's a huge huge loss to the team if he pans out and puts together a good offense here only to leave to a rival. We saw what happened last year when Streichen wasn't properly replaced. Unless there is some other hot offensive mind who becomes available, it would put the team right back at square one if he left, even more than where it would be if Siri left. I think that's hit or miss. Good offensive coordinators don't necessarily make good head coaches. But the fact that he was in the building makes you more afraid of the kind of mistake you could be making, potentially. It's kind of a loss aversion scenario more than anything, in a lot of ways. It's kind of just a disaster either way. Which is why I don't think he'll survive another year either way. It's probably not his fault, but he got pinned in a rough position with all time high expectations, and he needs time the fanbase is unwilling to give. Let's just hope that if it goes as expected, Kellen Moore doesn't collapse though. That would definitely be the worst outcome in the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-Shiznit Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 Siri is on the hot seat no matter what happens. if the teams under achieve, he’s gone. If the offense gets back on track and the team delivers, then Moore gets all the credit, forcing the Eagles to make a choice. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwinavega Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 If they win a playoff game I just don´t see how you can bin him. I get the arguments made above by others - some good, thoughtful comments, thank you. That would be four years as a head coach, in the playoffs every year, with wins in two of them, and defeats only coming at the hands of Brady (first year), Mahomes (SB, second year), and after a historic collapse that still can´t really be explained. If they don´t make the playoffs, especially after last year´s meltdown, I agree he is toast. Whether that is the right decision or not will depend on a few things, but he will be gone regardless. But talk of Kellen Moore going off to be a head coach are way premature, he´s only just entered the building (although a bin fire team like Carolina would make exactly that kind of leap if he has a good year). I do think it´s a really strange situation for Sirianni to be in. His first season was good, his second season was brilliant, last year sucked but even toward the end of the season we were in with a (remote) shout of being the number one seed. For us to even be having this conversation points to some really unusual circumstances around this team´s recent history. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UK_EaglesFan89 Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 Sirianni is on the hot seat because he was the HC of a team who collapsed in a historic way. And until this team shows that it can get back to the team it was before that collapse we all remain very sceptical. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rrfierce Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 8 hours ago, Procus said: But here's the secret sauce you're not getting - what happens if Kellen Moore leaves to become a head coach elsewhere. For instance, Dallas. It's a huge huge loss to the team if he pans out and puts together a good offense here only to leave to a rival. We saw what happened last year when Streichen wasn't properly replaced. Unless there is some other hot offensive mind who becomes available, it would put the team right back at square one if he left, even more than where it would be if Siri left. Surely you could say that about any team. They're all potentially losing co ordinators to HC jobs if they do well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cochis_Calhoun Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 4 hours ago, D-Shiznit said: Siri is on the hot seat no matter what happens. if the teams under achieve, he’s gone. If the offense gets back on track and the team delivers, then Moore gets all the credit, forcing the Eagles to make a choice. Sorry but if you think that if the Eagles go to the playoffs again with more than 10 wins, they'll sack Sirianni to promote Moore you're kidding yourself, there isn't an owner on Earth that sacks a coach that gets double digit wins three years straight with 3 different sets of coordinators, at what point are the fans kidding themselves about who's responsible for the record if that happens? 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmericanEagle77 Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 4 hours ago, D-Shiznit said: Siri is on the hot seat no matter what happens. if the teams under achieve, he’s gone. If the offense gets back on track and the team delivers, then Moore gets all the credit, forcing the Eagles to make a choice. If I were him and I had any level of self-respect, I'd force them to fire me. The reason I'd do that is because the entire situation is nonsense. If I had the best record in the history of my team and was on the hotseat following a year in which I was over 500, which followed a Super Bowl appearance, I'm not the type to sit there and accept a situation in which the only win I get is you paying me, and I could get that same win by making you fire me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmericanEagle77 Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 11 minutes ago, Cochis_Calhoun said: Sorry but if you think that if the Eagles go to the playoffs again with more than 10 wins, they'll sack Sirianni to promote Moore you're kidding yourself, there isn't an owner on Earth that sacks a coach that gets double digit wins three years straight with 3 different sets of coordinators, at what point are the fans kidding themselves about who's responsible for the record if that happens? It's anyone other than Sirianni, and entirely because of the roster obviously. Duh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EaglesAddict Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 Siri is a mixed bag as a head coach. He picked a pretty good initial coaching staff, had his famous "flower" speech, installed a system (with Steichen) that made Hurts a star and took this team to within a really bad holding call of a Super Bowl win. He also acts like a cocky, teenage meathead at times on the sideline...particularly during the SB year. He refused to change or adapt his offense in any way last season while overseeing a total team collapse that got worse and worse as the season went...even while they were winning. With the way that it seems Lurie and Howie inject themselves into the football side of things, it's really hard to know how much responsibility should be placed on Siri for how things unfolded last season. Furthermore, Hurts doesn't strike me as being "helpful" with that kinda stuff either. He seems to just be stoic and goes about his business. If a building is on fire and everyone is running around in chaos, Hurts would just calmly go grab his belongings and leave...and after he left the building, he'd mention to police officer that hey, that building is on fire, you should do something...before heading home. Siri really is in a tough spot this year. If he gets canned after this season, we'll be back to square 1 with the painful HC search because nobody who wants any say will get an opportunity here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwingOnThis Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 Literally NO ONE calls him 'Siri' 🙄 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike030270 Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 Agreed that if the offense does well then Nick is safe. No idea how he could be fired. If Moore gets hired by another team to be HC then Nick, Howie, and Lurie will find another replacement at OC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
315Eagles Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 17 hours ago, Procus said: I totally get supporting the guy. His record as HC speaks for itself. But the one wildcard is Kellen Moore. If the offense takes off under him and is carrying the team, Moore will be a hot head coaching commodity. It's not such a jump to think that Lurie would rather keep the better offensive mind and let Siri walk. Kellen Moore might also make a terrible HC. Not every HC is an offensive genius like AR, McVay or Shanahan. None of those guys won without a good to elite QB. I know it's not a popular opinion but i don't think Hurts is that great a QB throwing the ball, reading a defense, making anticipation throws, etc. Hope he proves me wrong but i don't see it. Hurts has another down or mediocre season the narrative will be Sirianni has to go but honestly we should be looking at QB1 with questions. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikas83 Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 It's pretty simple -- if they make the playoffs, Sirianni is safe and gets an extension. If they don't, he is gone. He is in year 4 of a 5 year deal, so he's either getting extended or fired. And no, they aren't going to can Nick if he makes the playoffs 4 straight years to promote a guy who has never been a head coach. If the Eagles have a great year and Moore gets a job elsewhere, they will extend Nick and bring in a new OC. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beto_eagles Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 Some say the city doesn't like him and he's doomed, but forget that the city used to really love him just 8 months ago. Some people didn't like Kelce at one point either, so he's a prime example that "likeability" can change quite quickly, especially in Philly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwinavega Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 3 hours ago, SwingOnThis said: Literally NO ONE calls him 'Siri' 🙄 The EMB begs to differ. Everyone here calls him Siri Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmericanEagle77 Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 12 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said: Sirianni is on the hot seat because he was the HC of a team who collapsed in a historic way. And until this team shows that it can get back to the team it was before that collapse we all remain very sceptical. No one has addressed this point though. Every time I mention it, it is ignored. Anytime someone suggests this is the reason, I point out that what this really means is: A team with a clear talent deficit on the defensive side of the ball and questionable coaching help overachieves then comes falling back to earth. Okay, so that's not great, but this actually implies that if there was never any overachieving, he would actually be more liked and less criticized. That is, if the team was as ass as their defensive talent was all year, then Sirianni would not be on the hotseat. Being incentivized to do worse doesn't make sense to me, so I cannot understand this perspective from a place of logic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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