Posted July 19, 20241 yr Let's face it, the Democratic party is in disarray. The president is in an advancing state of dementia. The vice-president is a ****ling idiot with a high disapproval rating. The convention is fast approaching, and the presumptive nominee is being asked to resign. There's rising influence from the radical left. Their opponent just survived an assassination attempt defiantly and is coming off a very successful RNC convention. Details regarding the assassination reveal bumbling incompetence at the Secret Service, and the Democratic party in general is fast gaining a rep as a bunch of stumble bums.
July 19, 20241 yr Starting this thread before actually winning the election will be that much more hilarious if Trump somehow does lose in November. Would be taking spiking the football at the 50 to a whole new level.
July 19, 20241 yr Author 3 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: Starting this thread before actually winning the election will be that much more hilarious if Trump somehow does lose in November. Would be taking spiking the football at the 50 to a whole new level. I don't think by any stretch of the matter that the election is a given. Maybe the Dems pull a rabbit out of the hat and come up with a strong nominee. Four months is a lifetime in a presidential race. Anything can happen. But there's no denying that at the moment, the Democratic party looks to be coming apart at the seams. The closest two things that come to mind are 1980 when Ted Kennedy ran a strong campaign against Jimmy Carter and 1972 when Tom Eagleton had to withdraw as the VP nominee and was replaced w Sergent Shriver. Both elections were disasters for the Dems.
July 19, 20241 yr 10 minutes ago, Procus said: I don't think by any stretch of the matter that the election is a given. Maybe the Dems pull a rabbit out of the hat and come up with a strong nominee. Four months is a lifetime in a presidential race. Anything can happen. But there's no denying that at the moment, the Democratic party looks to be coming apart at the seams. The closest two things that come to mind are 1980 when Ted Kennedy ran a strong campaign against Jimmy Carter and 1972 when Tom Eagleton had to withdraw as the VP nominee and was replaced w Sergent Shriver. Both elections were disasters for the Dems. The whole premise of the other "what's next" thread was that the GOP had a chance to self-reflect (hah!) and figure out a path forward after losing in 2020 and deal with election denialism consuming the party. If Trump loses the election, this thread instantly becomes pointless. It would be like asking Andy Reid what went wrong and what's he going to do to fix it (somehow not aware that the Chiefs have won back to back rings and 3 of the last 5.)
July 19, 20241 yr Author 4 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: The whole premise of the other "what's next" thread was that the GOP had a chance to self-reflect (hah!) and figure out a path forward after losing in 2020 and deal with election denialism consuming the party. If Trump loses the election, this thread instantly becomes pointless. It would be like asking Andy Reid what went wrong and what's he going to do to fix it (somehow not aware that the Chiefs have won back to back rings and 3 of the last 5.) Wasn't sure that the challenges facing the respective parties had to mirror each other in order to justify starting a thread. I would think the recent developments in the Democratic party are extraordinary and thread worthy in their own right - even if the premise was not similar to the Republican party thread. In fact, I think this is a much more interesting thread than that crappy thread.
July 19, 20241 yr 3 minutes ago, Procus said: Wasn't sure that the challenges facing the respective parties had to mirror each other in order to justify starting a thread. I would think the recent developments in the Democratic party are extraordinary and thread worthy in their own right - even if the premise was not similar to the Republican party thread. In fact, I think this is a much more interesting thread than that crappy thread. Well, you're not wrong that this party is a disaster too (for different reasons), but we're not even to halftime yet. Again, if they somehow pull out the win, nobody will care because "what's next" could only be assumed to be more winning.
July 20, 20241 yr If the Dems lose it won't be because of policy differences. It will be because their candidate was bad. If Democrats had a functional adult nominated Trump would be a distant second. Democrats won't be in the wilderness. They have a deep bench. And unlike the idiots on the right they're not hellbent on repeating past mistakes.
July 20, 20241 yr 2 hours ago, JohnSnowsHair said: If the Dems lose it won't be because of policy differences. It will be because their candidate was bad. If Democrats had a functional adult nominated Trump would be a distant second. Democrats won't be in the wilderness. They have a deep bench. And unlike the idiots on the right they're not hellbent on repeating past mistakes. They support woke BS everyone is tired of Pushing gender BS on kids in schools in Cali People see how the illegals they call migrants are destroying our cities like NYC and Denver. Where do you think that money is coming from to support them? Rather, who is it taking money away from it could be helping? Women are getting attacked in broad daylight in NYC. They created it. Stores in major cities are closing cause radical Democrat DAs are letting people run wild stealing anything they want under a grand. Electric cars aren't ready for prime time yet. Stop pushing EV mandates. Stop making us dependent on foreign oil. The environment is important, but so is our economy and security. Stop closing coal plants when our grids are stressed and about to get worse from all the data centers they are building. The Democrats only have themselves to blame because it is their policies. If it wasn't Trump they would be ridiculously behind in the polls. When they move back to Clinton's policies they will come out of the wilderness. The GOP is full of idiots and have a lot we can point fingers at as well, but outside of abortion the Dems are bad on the top things people care about. The GOP isn't better they just aren't as bad.
July 20, 20241 yr I was hoping to find some wisdom here but apparently nothing yet. There are some indications that the Biden campaign won't last through the weekend. That should have everybody concerned regardless of your party. It's like one team about to forfeit the SB. Don't you want a strong opponent for a fair game? Unlike the new Republicans where everybody opens their mouth before learning about the issues, the Democratic party is virtually faceless. We can probably rule out Fetterman now. AOC is still not old enough. Shumer proves that 70 is not always the new 50. Who do they have who's strong on foreign policy beyond having read a few internet headlines? This is a disaster.
July 20, 20241 yr 7 hours ago, Diehardfan said: They support woke BS everyone is tired of Pushing gender BS on kids in schools in Cali People see how the illegals they call migrants are destroying our cities like NYC and Denver. Where do you think that money is coming from to support them? Rather, who is it taking money away from it could be helping? Women are getting attacked in broad daylight in NYC. They created it. Stores in major cities are closing cause radical Democrat DAs are letting people run wild stealing anything they want under a grand. Electric cars aren't ready for prime time yet. Stop pushing EV mandates. Stop making us dependent on foreign oil. The environment is important, but so is our economy and security. Stop closing coal plants when our grids are stressed and about to get worse from all the data centers they are building. The Democrats only have themselves to blame because it is their policies. If it wasn't Trump they would be ridiculously behind in the polls. When they move back to Clinton's policies they will come out of the wilderness. The GOP is full of idiots and have a lot we can point fingers at as well, but outside of abortion the Dems are bad on the top things people care about. The GOP isn't better they just aren't as bad. The woke and gender BS is legit but overplayed. Coal plants are closing because coal is more expensive than oil and natural gas. It's pure economics. We're producing more oil than we ever did under Trump. There is no such thing as an EV mandate. It literally doesn't exist. Politicians have always lied. But they've lied within normal parameters. Republicans now know they can lie boldly and completely, and that any fact checking will be dismissed out of hand as "liberal". They ARE The Party of 1984. They invent the reality they want through their demagogue, who people follow mindlessly.
July 20, 20241 yr 7 hours ago, Diehardfan said: Electric cars aren't ready for prime time yet. Stop pushing EV mandates. Stop making us dependent on foreign oil. The environment is important, but so is our economy and security. Stop closing coal plants when our grids are stressed and about to get worse from all the data centers they are building. I won't disagree too much with the rest of your post, but read this part again a few times and see if you can figure out why it's such a faulty argument.
July 20, 20241 yr Domestic oil is low grade and gets exported because we're not a Communist country. Cheaper and higher grade foreign oil gets imported.
July 20, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, we_gotta_believe said: I won't disagree too much with the rest of your post, but read this part again a few times and see if you can figure out why it's such a faulty argument. How are our grids not stressed because of data centers? You good with more nuclear plants? Wind and solar won't cut it.
July 20, 20241 yr 2 hours ago, JohnSnowsHair said: The woke and gender BS is legit but overplayed. Coal plants are closing because coal is more expensive than oil and natural gas. It's pure economics. We're producing more oil than we ever did under Trump. There is no such thing as an EV mandate. It literally doesn't exist. Politicians have always lied. But they've lied within normal parameters. Republicans now know they can lie boldly and completely, and that any fact checking will be dismissed out of hand as "liberal". They ARE The Party of 1984. They invent the reality they want through their demagogue, who people follow mindlessly. https://www.nada.org/legislative/epas-de-facto-electric-vehicle-mandate-too-far-too-fast BACKGROUND On April 18, the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) finalized its Multi-Pollutant Emissions Standards for Light-Duty and Medium-Duty Vehicles for MY 2027 and Later that could effectively call for 44% of new vehicles in 2030 and 56% of new vehicles sold in 2032 to be EVs. This finalized rule greatly exceeds the current real-world consumer demand for EVs. Also, the rule projects that gas-powered vehicles (including hybrids and plug-in hybrids), now currently 92.9% of the market, could be reduced to 29% by 2032.
July 20, 20241 yr Author 17 hours ago, Procus said: The closest two things that come to mind are 1980 when Ted Kennedy ran a strong campaign against Jimmy Carter and 1972 when Tom Eagleton had to withdraw as the VP nominee and was replaced w Sergent Shriver. Both elections were disasters for the Dems. And likely add 1968 to that list when LBJ pulled out and an embattled Hubert Humphrey headed up the ticket. DNC being held in Chicago this year too.
July 20, 20241 yr 15 minutes ago, Diehardfan said: How are our grids not stressed because of data centers? You good with more nuclear plants? Wind and solar won't cut it. Not even the most egregious part of it but yes, of course I'm good with more nuclear plants. It's virtually a no-brainer. And before you resort to the played out hippie argument about nuclear plants being so dangerous, try looking up how many deaths are caused by coal plants vs nuclear ones.
July 20, 20241 yr Author 25 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: Not even the most egregious part of it but yes, of course I'm good with more nuclear plants. It's virtually a no-brainer. And before you resort to the played out hippie argument about nuclear plants being so dangerous, try looking up how many deaths are caused by coal plants vs nuclear ones. WGB flexing his anti-hippie cred
July 20, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, Diehardfan said: https://www.nada.org/legislative/epas-de-facto-electric-vehicle-mandate-too-far-too-fast BACKGROUND On April 18, the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) finalized its Multi-Pollutant Emissions Standards for Light-Duty and Medium-Duty Vehicles for MY 2027 and Later that could effectively call for 44% of new vehicles in 2030 and 56% of new vehicles sold in 2032 to be EVs. This finalized rule greatly exceeds the current real-world consumer demand for EVs. Also, the rule projects that gas-powered vehicles (including hybrids and plug-in hybrids), now currently 92.9% of the market, could be reduced to 29% by 2032. "Later that could effectively call.." is speculatory. There's no ev mandate, de facto or otherwise.
July 20, 20241 yr 10 hours ago, Diehardfan said: Stop making us dependent on foreign oil. The environment is important, but so is our economy and security. Dude… On March 11, 2024, the EIA made it official: United States produces more crude oil than any country, ever. https://www.forbes.com/sites/rrapier/2024/03/12/eia-confirms-historic-us-oil-production-record/#
July 20, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, VanHammersly said: Dude… On March 11, 2024, the EIA made it official: United States produces more crude oil than any country, ever. https://www.forbes.com/sites/rrapier/2024/03/12/eia-confirms-historic-us-oil-production-record/# I think that's BS. If that was true the Saudis wouldn't be controlling oil prices the way they did requiring Biden to tap the reserve. I think New Mexico is offsetting things and more can be done. Also, our strategic reserve hasn't been replaced.
July 20, 20241 yr 5 minutes ago, Diehardfan said: I think that's BS. If that was true the Saudis wouldn't be controlling oil prices the way they did requiring Biden to tap the reserve. Also, our strategic reserve hasn't been replaced.
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