July 20, 20241 yr 12 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: Reality check: it's you who has hasn't refuted the notion that we are producing more oil under Biden than under Trump. Show us some data that we were producing more then vs now and then we can talk. I'm sure you feel like that's true, but I'd love to see some actual evidence of it. Reals over feels, man. We will disagree, but the thought occurred to me on the way to play a par 73 that I probably shouldn't care much about gas prices if I'm going to launch $4.50 balls into water.
July 20, 20241 yr 1 minute ago, Dave Moss said: Sweden ain’t on it I'm not interested in that country on this topic
July 20, 20241 yr 12 minutes ago, DrPhilly said: I'm not interested in that country on this topic I’m not interested in that country on any topic although I found their lies about Covid intriguing.
July 20, 20241 yr 9 minutes ago, Dave Moss said: I’m not interested in that country on any topic although I found their lies about Covid intriguing. https://www.cato.org/policy-analysis/sweden-during-pandemic#conclusion Read and learn
July 20, 20241 yr 1 minute ago, DrPhilly said: https://www.cato.org/policy-analysis/sweden-during-pandemic#conclusion Read and learn The Cato Institute? Oh dear…
July 20, 20241 yr 3 minutes ago, Dave Moss said: The Cato Institute? Oh dear… Libertarian views, the horror
July 20, 20241 yr 38 minutes ago, Dave Moss said: The Cato Institute? Oh dear… What part of the article did you have issue with? What are they wrong about?
July 20, 20241 yr 1 minute ago, Tnt4philly said: What part of the article did you have issue with? What are they wrong about? He won't read it
July 20, 20241 yr 26 minutes ago, Tnt4philly said: What part of the article did you have issue with? What are they wrong about? In the intro this claim already seems dubious. Remarkably, total excess deaths were smaller in Sweden than in any other European country during the three pandemic years (2020–2022) Denmark was the gold standard of Europe, I'd like to see the data that shows Sweden has fewer excess deaths than Denmark.
July 20, 20241 yr Sweden: 117 excess deaths per 100,000 Denmark: 86 excess deaths per 100,000 https://academic.oup.com/eurpub/advance-article/doi/10.1093/eurpub/ckae091/7675929
July 20, 20241 yr This statement is misleading too, it completely ignores the lack of access to healthcare, even for those without covid, when a hospital is overrun with covid cases. Countries that shut down will not avoid deaths, but just delay them, at a high social and economic cost. You can argue the risks of the "shutting down" (however one chooses to define it) were higher and not worth pursuing, but the strain on healthcare facilities during peak infection waves is what necessitated restrictions in most countries, especially here. If your healthcare system can handle the load (and maybe Sweden's did) that's one thing, but to paint this like a one-size-fits all policy decision is myopic. One of my neighbors is an ER doc and he would laugh at the notion that our measures here were too restrictive when he was treating patients in hallways and working absolutely insane hours for most of 2020.
July 20, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, Tnt4philly said: What part of the article did you have issue with? What are they wrong about? I didn't see anything that jumped out. It seemed quite fair to me. They gave some good background about the Swedish systems, politics, society, etc. and then gave a good and fairly detailed account of the general approach and the specific measures taken and a bit about why they were taken. They gave a balanced view pointing out the negatives/challenges and those things that worked and didn't and they gave a solid comparison vs. Swedish neighbors. They pointed out some key mistakes that were made such as not having a plan to prevent high risk retirement homes from being affected. They also covered economic results, public trust, and the satisfaction of citizens overall. Also, they did sections on Covid and Excess deaths. For the Covid deaths, they explained that even in Scandinavia the numbers were hard to compare because the countries used different criteria in assigning the deaths but that the numbers were in the same vicinity for each country in any case. Then they moved to excess deaths which was always going to be the more interesting statistic as they explain and as we all agreed on in here from the very beginning. For those they showed that the numbers again would vary a bit based on how the numbers were counted but that Sweden was either #1 or #2 in Europe (either just ahead of or just behind Denmark) depending on which method is used and top 2 or 3 in the Western World (New Zealand on top). Overall, it was deemed a success. However, the authors were also careful in pointing that each country has its own unique set of circumstances to deal with.
July 20, 20241 yr 4 hours ago, Diehardfan said: Cute, but the bottom line you and the others can't refute is we are still begging the Saudis to help lower prices. Why? Because we aren't energy independent. Period. Gas is no longer two dollars because of them, Ukraine, and Israel. If things were as great as you all suggest because of our production levels that wouldn't be happening. Biden drained the reserves and hasn't filled them. That's a problem. If we were producing enough oil AND had new refineries we wouldn't be here. You all can try to spin it any way you want and it will be BS. Keystone and others need to open up and they need new refineries to handle the production. Until then we will continue to rely on the Saudis and we will be paying for it at the pump. Keystone had nothing to do with domestic production. Domestic production is up. That's a fact. I agree we need to also be building new refineries, but nobody wants a refinery in their neighborhood. The Ukraine war has had far more impact on the price of gas than anything Biden has done.
July 20, 20241 yr 4 hours ago, Diehardfan said: Facts like we still have to beg the Saudis to release more? Fact that we aren't independent for a reason because we need more production and refineries? Fact that can't be refuted regardless of your links? Fact you are paying more at the pump this week because of it? They still control prices not the US. Yeah, that sucks for you and the rest of Americans. Gas and oil is part of a global market, of which we are a huge part of but there is no player that can control is on their own. I for one don't want a situation where Saudi and Russian desires are dictating who we as Americans should be voting for, which is exactly what you're arguing for. Gas prices in the US are marginally higher than they were before Covid, inline with overall inflation. They're still significantly less than virtually any other advanced economy.
July 21, 20241 yr 3 hours ago, JohnSnowsHair said: Gas and oil is part of a global market, of which we are a huge part of but there is no player that can control is on their own. I for one don't want a situation where Saudi and Russian desires are dictating who we as Americans should be voting for, which is exactly what you're arguing for. Gas prices in the US are marginally higher than they were before Covid, inline with overall inflation. They're still significantly less than virtually any other advanced economy. 3 hours ago, JohnSnowsHair said: Keystone had nothing to do with domestic production. Domestic production is up. That's a fact. I agree we need to also be building new refineries, but nobody wants a refinery in their neighborhood. The Ukraine war has had far more impact on the price of gas than anything Biden has done. We can disagree on the one, but I'm glad to see we agree on the refineries. It doesn't matter how much we drill if we can't convert it. Nobody wants it in their neighborhoods, but they also mean high-paying jobs. Sometimes, I'm sorry I went to grad school instead of getting a job there like someone I know who makes well over six figures to sit in a room and watch gauges four days a week with no stress. I'm sure there are places near the others in Philly/Jersey where they could build others. There isn't much between Houston and San Antonio on the highway. Maybe having a few that aren't on the Gulf down there would be a good idea. Point is we could make it happen.
July 21, 20241 yr I'm late to this but it'll be a quicker and easier way to 'fix' the left than it will be for the right
July 21, 20241 yr 2 hours ago, brkmsn said: It's weird that people mocked this thread's creation. Because the party isn't broadly in "disarray", they just had an old candidate at the top of the ticket who was maybe 50% of what he was four years ago. It's not a party or platform problem, it was a candidate problem. Republicans meanwhile keep going back to Trump populism, whish has lost them every election since 2016.
July 21, 20241 yr 5 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: Because the party isn't broadly in "disarray", they just had an old candidate at the top of the ticket who was maybe 50% of what he was four years ago. It's not a party or platform problem, it was a candidate problem. Republicans meanwhile keep going back to Trump populism, whish has lost them every election since 2016. All is well then. My bad ...
July 21, 20241 yr 14 minutes ago, brkmsn said: All is well then. My bad ... All political parties, even in the best of times, have infighting. But the last four years have shown a surprisingly united Democratic party and a very fractured Republican party. Deny at your own peril.
July 21, 20241 yr Author 23 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: All political parties, even in the best of times, have infighting. But the last four years have shown a surprisingly united Democratic party and a very fractured Republican party. Deny at your own peril. No doubt. The Democratic party has been remarkable in lock step with orders. Far from the Democratic party of prior generations. This is the biggest blip I've seen in a while - and it is a doozie. Looks like the party is coalescing around Kamala. I can't think of a more unlikeable candidate. She doesn't win a general election on her own accord. She would need a lot of help and for the stars to align in some way.
July 21, 20241 yr 14 minutes ago, Procus said: No doubt. The Democratic party has been remarkable in lock step with orders. Far from the Democratic party of prior generations. This is the biggest blip I've seen in a while - and it is a doozie. Looks like the party is coalescing around Kamala. I can't think of a more unlikeable candidate. She doesn't win a general election on her own accord. She would need a lot of help and for the stars to align in some way. This is your party:
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