July 23, 20241 yr 1 minute ago, Mike030270 said: You're still not getting it. You're stuck on the primaries for some reason and I was never discussing that. Like I said you're arguing with yourself for some strange reason. Have fun No, I do get it. There are people in this thread claiming it.
July 23, 20241 yr 12 minutes ago, BBE said: No, I am simply stating that in a Presidential Preference Primary election, the VP is not on the ballot. Yeah I don't think anyone here was claiming that. People were talking about the ballots they casted in 2020, I don't think any here voted in the primaries but I could be wrong.
July 23, 20241 yr Just now, NOTW said: I don't think anyone is saying that specifically. You vote for the ticket, which includes knowledge that the VP would take over if necessary. Just like the Speaker of the House would take over as the 3rd option if necessary. The point being, voters in 2020 knew they were voting for Harris to take over during the term if needed. So while we've said that technically, they could have a completely different candidate, they are going with that same succession as their replacement candidate in this new election. And the democratic process is safe given the convention and delegates option. The delegates are now unpledged and not bound by any democratic result to vote for anyone.
July 23, 20241 yr Just now, we_gotta_believe said: I never doubted you heard it from RFK Jr. But please don't make it a habit of taking anything that nut job says at face value. Please. He's an epically resentful moron whose own family disowns him nad has done some despicable things in the past. Yeah, I was investigating him as a candidate and was turned off. I didn't care enough to fact check that kind of stuff because I know the GOP does it and I don't care. Still don't.
July 23, 20241 yr 6 minutes ago, BBE said: No, you are saying a vote for Biden = a vote for Harris which you cannot prove because Harris was never on the ballot. To take your line of thinking, the primary result would also bind Harris to Biden which is also not true. Biden could have decided to have VP Butigieg in his second term and that would have been permissible. Ok, I'll try, doesn't mean I'm going to change your mind. In PA the primary was for Biden for President. He is the Incumbent candidate and was unopposed. So any dem that voted for Biden was in effect voting for the biden/harris ticket. She is his VP. In November, voters will be voting for Harris and her VP, even though the Ballot just says Harris.
July 23, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, VanHammersly said: But...he literally was in a primary this year. And everyone that voted for the Biden/Harris ticket voted for Harris as well as Biden. It's just how Presidential tickets work. And they followed the line of succession. And the vast majority of the people that voted for that ticket support this decision. You really don't have a case here. I'm not sure why you're still going and what you want us all to say. This here is what I am talking about.
July 23, 20241 yr Just now, BBE said: This here is what I am talking about. Even if she wasn't written on the ballot she was Biden's VP. Every single Dem that voted for him voted for her. Again, I appreciate that Republicans like yourself are so concerned about the integrity of my vote, I only wish you guys gave a sheet when Trump called my Sec of State and told him to throw my vote in the trash.
July 23, 20241 yr Just now, jsdarkstar said: Ok, I'll try, doesn't mean I'm going to change your mind. In PA the primary was for Biden for President. He is the Incumbent candidate and was unopposed. So any dem that voted for Biden was in effect voting for the biden/harris ticket. She is his VP. In November, voters will be voting for Harris and her VP, even though the Ballot just says Harris. No, any primary vote was for Biden on the ballot. And actually general election ballots have both names on the ballot in Florida, California, Arizona, and Oregon.
July 23, 20241 yr 1 minute ago, BBE said: This here is what I am talking about. I think all of this 1 hour ago, VanHammersly said: But...he literally was in a primary this year. And everyone that voted for the Biden/Harris ticket voted for Harris as well as Biden. It's just how Presidential tickets work. And they followed the line of succession. And the vast majority of the people that voted for that ticket support this decision. You really don't have a case here. I'm not sure why you're still going and what you want us all to say. Was in regards to the 2020 election that that Biden and Harris on the ballot for president and vice president
July 23, 20241 yr 12 minutes ago, BBE said: To think that Harris who got exactly zero delegates as a Presidential candidate would win an open primary is without evidence. And the fact she will be "chosen" by delegates released from their pledge to Biden looks on its face to not be very democratic. You think that Harris as an incumbent VP would not have a major advantage if Biden had made this announcement prior to the primaries (and given his full endorsement)? There are plenty of cases were incumbent VPs of two term presidents have gone on to win their party's nomination in the following election so to claim there's zero evidence for it is silly.
July 23, 20241 yr 1 minute ago, VanHammersly said: Even if she wasn't written on the ballot she was Biden's VP. Every single Dem that voted for him voted for her. Again, I appreciate that Republicans like yourself are so concerned about the integrity of my vote, I only wish you guys gave a sheet when Trump called my Sec of State and told him to throw my vote in the trash. So, but Trump...
July 23, 20241 yr 1 minute ago, BBE said: So, but Trump... More appropriately: But...no one's buying that you give a sheet
July 23, 20241 yr 1 minute ago, VanHammersly said: Even if she wasn't written on the ballot she was Biden's VP. Every single Dem that voted for him voted for her. Again, I appreciate that Republicans like yourself are so concerned about the integrity of my vote, I only wish you guys gave a sheet when Trump called my Sec of State and told him to throw my vote in the trash. Good luck to ya. I'm done. it can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity or remorse or fear, and it will absolutely not stop ever, until you are dead.
July 23, 20241 yr 11 hours ago, mayanh8 said: She's going to have issues with Hispanic and older white people, especially males. But she'll juice the young vote, not even to mention the obvious... women and black voters. I highly doubt this. Women, maybe, black… not sure about that.
July 23, 20241 yr Just now, VanHammersly said: More appropriately: But...no one's buying that you give a sheet I actually think that foe someone that is so concerned about "democracy", that this situation creates a weakness to your argument.
July 23, 20241 yr Just now, BBE said: I actually think that foe someone that is so concerned about "democracy", that this situation creates a weakness to your argument. No, it doesn't. Read the Constitution and let me know what it says about party primaries.
July 23, 20241 yr 20 minutes ago, BBE said: No, you are saying a vote for Biden = a vote for Harris which you cannot prove because Harris was never on the ballot. To take your line of thinking, the primary result would also bind Harris to Biden which is also not true. Biden could have decided to have VP Butigieg in his second term and that would have been permissible. Again, this is a stupid argument. Yes it's permissible, but it's not even remotely plausible. You're arguing just to argue at this point. If you're upset about the nature in which Harris became the nominee, that's fine, but this line of reasoning you're using is preposterous. I know I can be pedantic at times, but this is a whole other level.
July 23, 20241 yr Just now, VanHammersly said: No, it doesn't. Read the Constitution and let me know what it says about party primaries. So, then we are back to being ok with party officials selecting the candidates? Then why have a primary at all? Or should we go to the twelfth amendment where the second most electoral votes becomes vice president?
July 23, 20241 yr 40 minutes ago, vikas83 said: Anyone is free to launch an effort to win delegates right now. By the rules, this is a free for all. Basically the last 2 episodes of the 6th season of the West Wing. In reality the party is united behind Harris, and none of the potential challengers (Whitmer, Shapiro, Newsom) are going to go for it. Which makes sense. They are all young and would rather wait on 2028 if she loses. You're coming into this campaign an underdog, and with limited time to develop a national following. So it's basically Harris by default, before even thinking about the warchest. It scares the right that the Dems are united. It’s why they are pushing the ignorant angle about Dems voter being screwed over by the "elite.”If they would have dropped trump for Haley, I may have voted for her over Biden, but the cult won.
July 23, 20241 yr Just now, BBE said: So, then we are back to being ok with party officials selecting the candidates? Then why have a primary at all? Or should we go to the twelfth amendment where the second most electoral votes becomes vice president? Actually, we're back to you pretending to give a sheet about Dem voters, who overwhelmingly support this. Thanks for the concern, but just because you're upset that Trump's path just got a lot harder, doesn't mean we are.
July 23, 20241 yr 2 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: Actually, we're back to you pretending to give a sheet about Dem voters, who overwhelmingly support this. Thanks for the concern, but just because you're upset that Trump's path just got a lot harder, doesn't mean we are. I will be voting third party again.
July 23, 20241 yr 1 minute ago, BBE said: So, then we are back to being ok with party officials selecting the candidates? Then why have a primary at all? Or should we go to the twelfth amendment where the second most electoral votes becomes vice president? Tells us about your butt hurt over the GOP primaries in 2020. How many states cancelled? How many changes the date at the last minute?
July 23, 20241 yr 1 minute ago, Tnt4philly said: Tells us about your butt hurt over the GOP primaries in 2020. How many states cancelled? How many changes the date at the last minute?
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