July 30, 20241 yr 15 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: Again idiots, think about why a black American descended from slaves might be related to a white slave owner. It's not the flex you think it is dip****. It would only allow one laugh reaction. 🤣🤣🤣
July 30, 20241 yr 42 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: Again idiots, think about why a black American descended from slaves might be related to a white slave owner. It's not the flex you think it is dip****. Kind of getting off track with the ancestor analysis. My biggest problems with Harris are that she is a far left airhead with a proven record of incompetence. Completely unqualified for high office.
July 30, 20241 yr 20 minutes ago, Procus said: Kind of getting off track with the ancestor analysis. My biggest problems with Harris are that she is a far left airhead with a proven record of incompetence. Completely unqualified for high office. Lucky for Dems she's going up against a low energy convicted felon who got cucked by Putin and Xi last time around, then stole classified documents after trying and failing to violently steal an election. That is the POS you nominated.
July 30, 20241 yr 3 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: Lucky for Dems she's going up against a low energy convicted felon who got cucked by Putin and Xi last time around, then stole classified documents after trying and failing to violently steal an election. That is the POS you nominated. When the "POS" that "I" nominated was in office, there was peace. Bad actors were too scared to act up. America was respected in the international arena. Inflation was low and the economy was humming. Really bad, bad things. Wake up and smell the rot and corruption in the Democratic party. You're what you call one of their useful idiots.
July 30, 20241 yr 6 hours ago, Procus said: When the "POS" that "I" nominated was in office, there was peace. Bad actors were too scared to act up. America was respected in the international arena. Inflation was low and the economy was humming. Really bad, bad things. Wake up and smell the rot and corruption in the Democratic party. You're what you call one of their useful idiots. America was at war when your guy was in office, was bombing Syria and leaving.the kurds out to dry. Now we're not at war for the first time in decades. America was threatening to withdraw from NATO. Our allies began to look elsewhere for strength. Now NATO has two new members and is stronger than ever, and our allies respect us. Covid knocked the wind out of ever economy in the world. America's economy came out well ahead of every other country. We've had the longest period of unemployment under 4%, wage growth that outpaced inflation, and have tamed inflation while our peers continue to lag. You're the one who has no clue. You see the orange menace chest thumbing and raging about the left and mistake it for substance. The guy passed exactly one bill of consequence his first term. Under much more difficult conditions Biden got done what Trump failed to deliver: the infrastructure bill and investment in domestic fabrication that will stick through CHIPS. Trump complained about infrastructure, but never actually fixed it. Because there's more political power in promising to deliver wins than actually delivering them. He failed Foxconn. But Biden is overseeing the largest expansion of manufacturing capacity in a generation. Powered by the Biden's initiatives, investment in manufacturing has been over $200B the last two years; it averaged $80B the previous decade. While Trump was sugar rushing the economy and trying to exploit short term gains at the expense of the long-term, Biden is setting us up for a better future. You're voting for a conman who tells you comforting lies.
July 30, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, JohnSnowsHair said: America was at war when your guy was in office, was bombing Syria and leaving.the kurds out to dry. Now we're not at war for the first time in decades. America was threatening to withdraw from NATO. Our allies began to look elsewhere for strength. Now NATO has two new members and is stronger than ever, and our allies respect us. Covid knocked the wind out of ever economy in the world. America's economy came out well ahead of every other country. We've had the longest period of unemployment under 4%, wage growth that outpaced inflation, and have tamed inflation while our peers continue to lag. You're the one who has no clue. You see the orange menace chest thumbing and raging about the left and mistake it for substance. The guy passed exactly one bill of consequence his first term. Under much more difficult conditions Biden got done what Trump failed to deliver: the infrastructure bill and investment in domestic fabrication that will stick through CHIPS. Trump complained about infrastructure, but never actually fixed it. Because there's more political power in promising to deliver wins than actually delivering them. He failed Foxconn. But Biden is overseeing the largest expansion of manufacturing capacity in a generation. Powered by the Biden's initiatives, investment in manufacturing has been over $200B the last two years; it averaged $80B the previous decade. While Trump was sugar rushing the economy and trying to exploit short term gains at the expense of the long-term, Biden is setting us up for a better future. You're voting for a conman who tells you comforting lies. "Libertarian."
July 30, 20241 yr 14 hours ago, Gannan said: Wrong...here's the exact moment it started So Socialism is good when republicans do it? Lots of new equipment? Like how much? Do you have any data on that? No he didn't. He promised factories would come back and manufacturing jobs would come back and they didn't. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/trump-era-opportunity-zones-meant-to-help-low-income-communities-exploited-by-investors Manufacturing jobs went down by 75,000 under Trump. Spoiler alert: they're up by 776,000 under Biden. I won't hold my breath waiting for you to give him credit for it. Basically it looks like your just parroting bullet points form the Trump campaign while ignoring the actual data. The broadband was like the wall. He took public money, gave it to his friends in private industry and people largely never got what was promised. The Biden adminstration had to practically restart the project from scratch https://www.brookings.edu/articles/trumps-fcc-failed-on-broadband-access-now-bidens-fcc-has-to-clean-up-the-mess/ But let's say...for the sake of argument... you're right. Why is it ok when republicans provide handouts, but not when democrats do it? How did Obama's social programs only benefit black people and not white people when they were based solely on income as you claimed? You asked me for the things that Trump did that benefited the white working class. I gave them to you. Now you want to debate their level of effectiveness. Like in any presidency, some worked, some didn't and others took time to take effect and subsequent administrations take credit for them. The fact that you cite the 775k manufacturing jobs "created" under Biden just proves that you are 100% in bed with Democrats. The overwhelming majority of Biden's job creation claims were due to people coming back to work after the pandemic. Such an un-clever lie. But I'm the one parroting campaign bullets, right? 😂😂 Socialism, really? I oppose large, federally run federal programs - like Social Security - which has almost single handedly bankrupted our country while offering less than meager benefits to it's participants. They rarely work to plan, they breed federal bloat and there are never fiscally solvent. That being said, there are some areas that the free market can't always solve - namely infrastructure investments. So yes, in some cases I support limited and targeted federal spending in areas that immediately benefit the country. Many republicans do which is why bills like the infrastructure package get bi-partisan support. So now you tell me, as a "libertarian", do you support Social Security? How about Biden's blundering anti-trust assault on business? What about infrastructure investments? Or, student loan bailouts? Eliminating the Trump tax cuts? Exponentially growing the IRS? His proposed taxes on unrealized capital gains?
July 30, 20241 yr 13 minutes ago, The Norseman said: You asked me for the things that Trump did that benefited the white working class. I gave them to you. Now you want to debate their level of effectiveness. Like in any presidency, some worked, some didn't and others took time to take effect and subsequent administrations take credit for them. The fact that you cite the 775k manufacturing jobs "created" under Biden just proves that you are 100% in bed with Democrats. The overwhelming majority of Biden's job creation claims were due to people coming back to work after the pandemic. Such an un-clever lie. But I'm the one parroting campaign bullets, right? 😂😂 Socialism, really? I oppose large, federally run federal programs - like Social Security - which has almost single handedly bankrupted our country while offering less than meager benefits to it's participants. They rarely work to plan, they breed federal bloat and there are never fiscally solvent. That being said, there are some areas that the free market can't always solve - namely infrastructure investments. So yes, in some cases I support limited and targeted federal spending in areas that immediately benefit the country. Many republicans do which is why bills like the infrastructure package get bi-partisan support. So now you tell me, as a "libertarian", do you support Social Security? How about Biden's blundering anti-trust assault on business? What about infrastructure investments? Or, student loan bailouts? Eliminating the Trump tax cuts? Exponentially growing the IRS? His proposed taxes on unrealized capital gains? take a look at the trajectory there. manufacturing jobs were growing when Trump took office, then continued growing for about two years. then they flat-lined, and started to drop. they're now almost 200k over what they were any time during Trump's time in office, and we haven't even opened most of the factories and manufacturing facilities being built under Biden. foreign direct investment in US manufacturing has ramped up considerably under Biden's initiatives, and over $200B was spent in each of the last two years on new facilities right here at home. Trump promised that sort of change. Biden actually delivered it. Regardless of who is president the next 4-8 years, the economy will reap the benefits of the seeds Biden planted.
July 30, 20241 yr 16 minutes ago, The Norseman said: That being said, there are some areas that the free market can't always solve - namely infrastructure investments. So yes, in some cases I support limited and targeted federal spending in areas that immediately benefit the country. Many republicans do which is why bills like the infrastructure package get bi-partisan support. So now you tell me, as a "libertarian", do you support Social Security? How about Biden's blundering anti-trust assault on business? What about infrastructure investments? Uh oh. Looks like someone's showing clear signs of cognitive decline. Can't even remember things said in the previous paragraph. Unfit! Must step down!
July 30, 20241 yr 12 hours ago, lynched1 said: What an awesome family history. I bet this has never come up in February. If she managed to win we could rename DC "Brown's Town" 😆 Now do the same for trump 9 hours ago, Procus said: When the "POS" that "I" nominated was in office, there was peace. Bad actors were too scared to act up. America was respected in the international arena. Inflation was low and the economy was humming. Really bad, bad things. Wake up and smell the rot and corruption in the Democratic party. You're what you call one of their useful idiots. So you were asleep or something during covid and the riots. Good for you
July 30, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, Kz! said: "Libertarian." Like me, I think a handful of posters in here took a swim in the LP pool. I can’t speak for them, but the same type of radical sheet heads that drove me from the GOP, and kept me from jumping in the DNC pool, drove me out of the deep end of LP. Coming from someone who’s only conviction is blindly guzzling the orange juice, this is not the burn you think it is. Unless you really are the little punk living in his mom’s basement we all think you are.
July 30, 20241 yr 6 minutes ago, Tnt4philly said: Like me, I think a handful of posters in here took a swim in the LP pool. I can’t speak for them, but the same type radical of sheet heads that drove me from the GOP, and kept me from jumping in the DNC pool, drove me out of the deep end of LP. Coming from someone who’s only conviction is blindly guzzling the orange juice, this is not the burn you think it is. Unless you really are the little punk living in his mom’s basement. Like the other retards that claim to be libertarians on this board, you didn't jump into the LP pool because you're a liberal democrat and fiscal conservatism is diametrically opposed to everything you believe in. Oh, and unrelated, but obligatory mention that you're old, enfeebled, and smoked crack.
July 30, 20241 yr 56 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: take a look at the trajectory there. manufacturing jobs were growing when Trump took office, then continued growing for about two years. then they flat-lined, and started to drop. they're now almost 200k over what they were any time during Trump's time in office, and we haven't even opened most of the factories and manufacturing facilities being built under Biden. foreign direct investment in US manufacturing has ramped up considerably under Biden's initiatives, and over $200B was spent in each of the last two years on new facilities right here at home. Trump promised that sort of change. Biden actually delivered it. Regardless of who is president the next 4-8 years, the economy will reap the benefits of the seeds Biden planted. My armchair analysis: Trump maximized the amount of manufacturing jobs available when he took office. That's why jobs peaked during his administration and didn't come back. Biden grew the manufacturing industry. That will reap dividends for years to come.
July 30, 20241 yr 55 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: take a look at the trajectory there. manufacturing jobs were growing when Trump took office, then continued growing for about two years. then they flat-lined, and started to drop. they're now almost 200k over what they were any time during Trump's time in office, and we haven't even opened most of the factories and manufacturing facilities being built under Biden. foreign direct investment in US manufacturing has ramped up considerably under Biden's initiatives, and over $200B was spent in each of the last two years on new facilities right here at home. Trump promised that sort of change. Biden actually delivered it. Regardless of who is president the next 4-8 years, the economy will reap the benefits of the seeds Biden planted. Hard to know what the cause of the flat line and decline was. I'd argue that much of it it was likely global uncertainty with the pandemic which was raging in China at that time. Biden has also benefited from a boost in foreign investment due in part to the Trump tax cuts. As you say, most of Biden's plans have not been implemented yet. All that being said, you are ignoring the greater point...the difference between a 200k manufacturing jobs increase and and 800k increase is monumental. My point was only that Biden has grossly inflated his jobs number and that many in here buy it hook line and sinker.
July 30, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, The Norseman said: You asked me for the things that Trump did that benefited the white working class. I gave them to you. Now you want to debate their level of effectiveness. Like in any presidency, some worked, some didn't and others took time to take effect and subsequent administrations take credit for them. The fact that you cite the 775k manufacturing jobs "created" under Biden just proves that you are 100% in bed with Democrats. The overwhelming majority of Biden's job creation claims were due to people coming back to work after the pandemic. Such an un-clever lie. But I'm the one parroting campaign bullets, right? 😂😂 Socialism, really? I oppose large, federally run federal programs - like Social Security - which has almost single handedly bankrupted our country while offering less than meager benefits to it's participants. They rarely work to plan, they breed federal bloat and there are never fiscally solvent. That being said, there are some areas that the free market can't always solve - namely infrastructure investments. So yes, in some cases I support limited and targeted federal spending in areas that immediately benefit the country. Many republicans do which is why bills like the infrastructure package get bi-partisan support. So now you tell me, as a "libertarian", do you support Social Security? How about Biden's blundering anti-trust assault on business? What about infrastructure investments? Or, student loan bailouts? Eliminating the Trump tax cuts? Exponentially growing the IRS? His proposed taxes on unrealized capital gains? No you said Obama alienated white working people. I said the democrats did more for working people. Still waiting for you to explain how Obama alienated "white working people".
July 30, 20241 yr 23 minutes ago, Tnt4philly said: Like me, I think a handful of posters in here took a swim in the LP pool. I can’t speak for them, but the same type of radical sheet heads that drove me from the GOP, and kept me from jumping in the DNC pool, drove me out of the deep end of LP. Coming from someone who’s only conviction is blindly guzzling the orange juice, this is not the burn you think it is. Unless you really are the little punk living in his mom’s basement we all think you are. They got way too cozy with Trump who is an out and out authoritarian.
July 30, 20241 yr 2 minutes ago, Gannan said: No you said Obama alienated white working people. I said the democrats did more for working people. Still waiting for you to explain how Obama alienated "white working people". by giving the auto companies bailouts that kept the UAW union members working. F'ng POS.
July 30, 20241 yr 3 minutes ago, Alpha_TATEr said: by giving the auto companies bailouts that kept the UAW union members working. F'ng POS. Must be all those "black jobs" Trump was talking about
July 30, 20241 yr 3 minutes ago, Gannan said: Must be all those "black jobs" Trump was talking about i'm surprised trumptards aren't crying for reparations. it's insane how they are held back for good manufacturing jobs.
July 30, 20241 yr 43 minutes ago, Gannan said: No you said Obama alienated white working people. I said the democrats did more for working people. Still waiting for you to explain how Obama alienated "white working people". I already did. And I don't know how this is even in question. The Democrats historically had a healthy portion of the white working class due to the union vote. There has now been a huge shift in that demographic towards Trump. Biden, the union president, was having a hard time even getting their support prior to dropping out- not to mention losing the fire and police unions a few years ago. You can debate the reason, but the fact is that the white working class seems to be galvanized behind Trump. That happened after Obama.
July 30, 20241 yr 53 minutes ago, Kz! said: you didn't jump into the LP pool because you're a liberal democrat and fiscal conservatism is diametrically opposed to everything you believe in. Your lack of reading comprehension is more apparent here than usual. I was an officer in my county LP, chapter, and a voting board member with the LPPA. I’ve actually met the founder of the MISES caucus and ate lunch with the likes of Vermin Supreme and Spike Cohen. I’ve shook hands with Jo Jorgensen and was a PA delegate for her in 2020. Not to mention the numerous times I towed the LP float in county parades. But yeah, other than that, I didn’t jump in the deep end at all.
July 30, 20241 yr 26 minutes ago, The Norseman said: I already did. And I don't know how this is even in question. The Democrats historically had a healthy portion of the white working class due to the union vote. There has now been a huge shift in that demographic towards Trump. Biden, the union president, was having a hard time even getting their support prior to dropping out- not to mention losing the fire and police unions a few years ago. You can debate the reason, but the fact is that the white working class seems to be galvanized behind Trump. That happened after Obama. I would argue it is for cultural reasons and not economic ones.
July 30, 20241 yr 16 minutes ago, Gannan said: I would argue it is for cultural reasons and not economic ones. what does union support mean for a candidate beyond financial? it's not like all the union members vote the same way. TBH, no union should be able to offer support. financially or otherwise.
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