July 23, 20241 yr 18 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: In both cases, we're talking about Dem votes. Biden is stepping down and tossing his primary votes to Harris. The Dems are good with it and are cheering for it. Trump tried to get Dem votes thrown out so he could win the general. I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say Dems by and large aren't good with that. Again, I appreciate the concern for my vote here, but I'm good with one and not good with the other. Not sure why you're so insistent that I should upset about both. Van, are you ok? Is this your own personal Jan 6? I hope your faith in this country can one day be restored.
July 23, 20241 yr 18 minutes ago, Alpha_TATEr said: have you seen any dem uproar over the harris pick? any? at all? even a smidge? at least a tidbit? even a blip? a fart in the wind? The only thing I saw was the opposite: you better go with Harris if you're making Biden pull out. I forget her name, but the Congresswoman who went at it with MTG and called her a bleached blonde whatever, she said that. And I've seen some Democrat voters on social media that specifically said it better be for Harris. They felt it would be wrong to do it and not choose Harris.
July 23, 20241 yr 10 minutes ago, NOTW said: I don't know all the rules and protocols, but there would have to be contingencies for emergencies same as with the sitting POTUS. This situation is the incumbent ticket had no primary so just like if the POTUS had to step down, the VP takes over. The incumbent party of both POTUS and VP is carried over from the last election so they promote the VP on the ticket. It's actually the simplest way. The delegates that put their votes for the official nomination could technically choose someone else at the convention, but the timing is too late and no one would have time to put together a campaign. The Democrat leadership conferred and decided to roll with Harris. It's the simplest way, and still maintains the democratic process and protocols. Democrats aren't upset by it and understand it makes the most sense. There is no threat to democracy here. It's amazing that Republicans are concerned about the democratic process in this situation! I think Dems are so happy to have him off the ticket they'd take anyone. Again, they knew he was failing. Enough to have the full primaries when they told RFK it would be cancelled? Probably. They certainly knew and had this in mind when they scheduled a debate in the middle of freaking June for the first time ever. They went from we aren't sure we'll have debates in the fall to let's have one right now. Big deal? Eh, it's not my problem. It gets old watching the hypocrisy on here, though. What Trump did doesn't compare and also doesn't mean the Dem party didn't pull the BS they just did. Yeah, they knowingly cut the voters out. Instead of just owning that, like Trump people should for the BS he did, libs on here spew a bunch of BS defending it. I'm not concerned with it at all, but they did pull some crap. Dems being good with it doesn't change what happened, either.
July 23, 20241 yr Just now, NOTW said: The only thing I saw was the opposite: you better go with Harris if you're making Biden pull out. I forget her name, but the Congresswoman who went at it with MTG and called her a bleached blonde whatever, she said that. And I've seen some Democrat voters on social media that specifically said it better be for Harris. They felt it would be wrong to do it and not choose Harris. that was the hottie from texas
July 23, 20241 yr 23 minutes ago, Alpha_TATEr said: have you seen any dem uproar over the harris pick? any? at all? even a smidge? at least a tidbit? even a blip? a fart in the wind? Not a large uproar, but the usual suspects aren't happy about it. Its like these people hate their own party more than trump
July 23, 20241 yr Just now, Diehardfan said: I think Dems are so happy to have him off the ticket they'd take anyone. Again, they knew he was failing. Enough to have the full primaries when they told RFK it would be cancelled? Probably. They certainly knew and had this in mind when they scheduled a debate in the middle of freaking June for the first time ever. They went from we aren't sure we'll have debates in the fall to let's have one right now. Big deal? Eh, it's not my problem. It gets old watching the hypocrisy on here, though. What Trump did doesn't compare and also doesn't mean the Dem party didn't pull the BS they just did. Yeah, they knowingly cut the voters out. Instead of just owning that, like Trump people should for the BS he did, libs on here spew a bunch of BS defending it. Holing your side accountable when the other side never holds their own accountable for something infinitely worse (not mention illegal) is the height of insanity. It would be suicide and would achieve nothing, especially since what they're doing isn't even historically rare. Like Ganan said before, this is how they always used to pick their candidate.
July 23, 20241 yr 2 minutes ago, Diehardfan said: Yeah, they knowingly cut the voters out. Instead of just owning that, like Trump people should for the BS he did, libs on here spew a bunch of BS defending it. again, i'll ask, who are you standing up for? the dems by and large are ecstatic, but you feel the need to stand up for an injustice that never happened.
July 23, 20241 yr 4 minutes ago, NOTW said: The only thing I saw was the opposite: you better go with Harris if you're making Biden pull out. I forget her name, but the Congresswoman who went at it with MTG and called her a bleached blonde whatever, she said that. And I've seen some Democrat voters on social media that specifically said it better be for Harris. They felt it would be wrong to do it and not choose Harris. Crockett. She was super mad about how Biden got knifed out in public like that. She wasn't about to see it happen again with Harris. Supposedly "according to sources", some of those close to Biden had said he waited as long as he did because he wanted two things: first to avoid an open convention scenario and would not consider dropping out until he was assured Harris already had enough support to be the nominee, and second that she also would have not just roughly equal, but a better chance to beat Trump.
July 23, 20241 yr 3 minutes ago, Alpha_TATEr said: again, i'll ask, who are you standing up for? the dems by and large are ecstatic, but you feel the need to stand up for an injustice that never happened. Standing up for anyone isn't the point. The point is they cut voters out. Whether or not they are good with it, it happened, and it was planned, or they wouldn't have had a debate in the middle of June. There is no way they didn't see it coming months earlier, either. What does matter is the hypocrisy to continually defend it or at least let it go by libs on here. Trump wanted to subvert the will of the voters! Yeah, and so did the Dem party. Different levels, obviously, but both happened.
July 23, 20241 yr 3 minutes ago, pisceschica said: Not a large uproar, but the usual suspects aren't happy about it. Its like these people hate their own party more than trump i saw this, and i gave diehard a chance to post it. no doubt there are some not behind this, probably because contrary to claims, harris "isn't" extreme left enough for the fringe.
July 23, 20241 yr 1 minute ago, Diehardfan said: Standing up for anyone isn't the point. The point is they cut voters out. Whether or not they are good with it, it happened, and it was planned, or they wouldn't have had a debate in the middle of June. What does matter is the hypocrisy to continually defend it or at least let it go by libs on here. no they didnt. if another dem candidate wants to run, they can.
July 23, 20241 yr 2 minutes ago, Alpha_TATEr said: again, i'll ask, who are you standing up for? the dems by and large are ecstatic, but you feel the need to stand up for an injustice that never happened. He's standing up for me...and @Dave Moss. He's not the hero we needed...or wanted...or ever really asked for...but it does feel nice that he cares.
July 23, 20241 yr 1 minute ago, Alpha_TATEr said: no they didnt. Liberals are incapable of owning up to their crap stinks too.
July 23, 20241 yr Umm, primary voters didn't just vote for Joe Biden, they also voted for Kamala Harris as VP.
July 23, 20241 yr i feel like my primary vote for biden/harris doesn't even count now that.....umm......harris is the candidate? anyway,
July 23, 20241 yr 1 minute ago, VanHammersly said: He's standing up for me...and @Dave Moss. He's not the hero we needed...or wanted...or ever really asked for...but it does feel nice that he cares. Awkward to say I don't?
July 23, 20241 yr 2 minutes ago, Diehardfan said: Liberals are incapable of owning up to their crap stinks too. im not a liberal, but im also not hell bent on trying to push a falsehood. edit - disclaimer - not saying you're wrong in all such cases.
July 23, 20241 yr 3 minutes ago, jsdarkstar said: Umm, primary voters didn't just vote for Joe Biden, they also voted for Kamala Harris as VP. What primary voters? He hasn't had one since 2020. If the situation was reversed and Trump was leaving with JD I'm pretty damn sure a ton of GOP people would be saying WTF we could have had Youngkin or anyone else.
July 23, 20241 yr 2 minutes ago, Alpha_TATEr said: im not a liberal, but im also not hell bent on trying to push a falsehood. Cool story. You all can say what you want and defend the BS for eternity (cause I'm sure you all would) but they pulled some BS and they knowingly cut voters out of it. Big deal? Not my problem, but the "our crap doesn't stink" gets old.
July 23, 20241 yr 2 minutes ago, Diehardfan said: What primary voters? He hasn't had one since 2020. This makes no sense
July 23, 20241 yr 1 minute ago, Diehardfan said: What primary voters? He hasn't had one since 2020. If the situation was reversed and Trump was leaving with JD I'm pretty damn sure a ton of GOP people would be saying WTF we could have had Youngkin or anyone else. trump did the same before and it was mocked sure (im a republican and yes i did), but did anyone besides maybe jsdarkstar go off like you are?
July 23, 20241 yr 12 minutes ago, Diehardfan said: Standing up for anyone isn't the point. The point is they cut voters out. Whether or not they are good with it, it happened, and it was planned, or they wouldn't have had a debate in the middle of June. There is no way they didn't see it coming months earlier, either. What does matter is the hypocrisy to continually defend it or at least let it go by libs on here. I get where you coming from and agree with some of what you're saying but I really doubt they planned it this way. It was absolutely catastrophic media coverage for a solid three weeks, there's no way they wanted that to play out like this. Everybody turned on them, all the networks, late night shows, celebrities, everyone. This wasn't some diabolical scheme, they couldn't keep leaks over the more mundane ish let alone some grand evil plan to unseat Biden that would make them look like bumbling idiots for the whole world to see and nearly kill their chances at holding the White House. The Democrat party is stupid as F, but they're not that stupid.
July 23, 20241 yr 6 minutes ago, Diehardfan said: What primary voters? He hasn't had one since 2020. If the situation was reversed and Trump was leaving with JD I'm pretty damn sure a ton of GOP people would be saying WTF we could have had Youngkin or anyone else. Uh...buddy, do you even know what you're arguing? The talking point you are supposed to be following is the Democrats rejected the will of the voters who voted for Biden in the primaries. There were actual primary elections, and Biden won (pretty sure uncommitted came in second and Dean Phillips third). Biden didn't debate Phillips, but they had the elections. That's the talking point -- that the Democrats threw the votes in the trash. It's a stupid talking point for 2 reasons. Frist, we passed the 13th Amendment, so Joe Biden can not be forced to accept the nomination against his will. Second, the GOP didn't have primaries in 2020 despite people wanting to run against Trump -- states canceled the primaries and just gave their delegated to Don.
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