Just now, VanHammersly said:

This makes no sense

Yeah, it does. The people who voted for Biden in 2020 were not voting for her to be president if he left office. They were voting for her to possibly take over in an emergency and not endorse cutting other candidates out four years later if he decided to run and was incapacitated. 

Did they know Biden was failing before June? I'd bet a ton of money on the fact they did. 

Did they know in May when they scheduled the debate in June? 100% no question

Did they do that so they could replace him? Absolutely 

Could they have had a primary before then? Yep, but the power brokers in the Dem party had this in mind. 

Those can't be refuted to any sane mind. 

9 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

What primary voters? He hasn't had one since 2020. If the situation was reversed and Trump was leaving with JD I'm pretty damn sure a ton of GOP people would be saying WTF we could have had Youngkin or anyone else. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries

Just now, vikas83 said:

Uh...buddy, do you even know what you're arguing. The talking point you are supposed to be following is the Democrats rejected the will of the voters who voted for Biden in the primaries. There were actual primary elections, and Biden won (pretty sure uncommitted came in second and Dean Phillips third). Biden didn't debate Phillips, but they had the elections. That's the talking point -- that the Democrats threw the votes in the trash.

It's a stupid talking point for 2 reasons. Frist, we passed the 13th Amendment, so Joe Biden can not be forced to accept the nomination against his will. Second, the GOP didn't have primaries in 2020 despite people wanting to run against Trump -- states canceled the primaries and just gave their delegated to Don. 

So he won a primary this year when they told RFK they would be canceling many states. Got it. There is no problem with that any more than in 2020 when they cancelled them for Trump. The difference is they knowingly had a failing candidate and pulled a bunch of BS to get him off the ticket like having that debate in June for the first time ever. That is what's called shady BS. 

I respect you but you can call it stupid as much as you want that doesn't change reality. 

Also, stop with the BS talking point that the Democrats stopped RFK Jr. from running in the primaries. He voluntarily withdrew to run as an independent. 

Facts matter.

1 minute ago, we_gotta_believe said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries

A controlled primary isn't a real primary or they wouldn't have told RFK they were cancelling many states he wanted to contest. 

Just now, vikas83 said:

Also, stop with the BS talking point that the Democrats stopped RFK Jr. from running in the primaries. He voluntarily withdrew to run as an independent. 

Facts matter.

Facts do matter. There are videos of him saying point blank they told him in back rooms they were cancelling primaries in FL and other states. 

Just now, Diehardfan said:

Yeah, it does. The people who voted for Biden in 2020 were not voting for her to be president if he left office. They were voting for her to possibly take over in an emergency and not endorse cutting other candidates out four years later if he decided to run and was incapacitated. 

Did they know Biden was failing before June? I'd bet a ton of money on the fact they did. 

Did they know in May when they scheduled the debate in June? 100% no question

Did they do that so they could replace him? Absolutely 

Could they have had a primary before then? Yep, but the power brokers in the Dem party had this in mind. 

Those can't be refuted to any sane mind. 

But...he literally was in a primary this year.  And everyone that voted for the Biden/Harris ticket voted for Harris as well as Biden.  It's just how Presidential tickets work.  And they followed the line of succession.  And the vast majority of the people that voted for that ticket support this decision.  You really don't have a case here.  I'm not sure why you're still going and what you want us all to say.  

3 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

So he won a primary this year when they told RFK they would be canceling many states. Got it.

I just gave you the link. Only two states canceled. I feel like we're always having this conversation with you, but wherever you get your info from is not doing you any favors here.

1 minute ago, Diehardfan said:

Facts do matter. There are videos of him saying point blank they told him in back rooms they were cancelling primaries in FL and other states. 

oh, well if RFK said it then never mind 

1 minute ago, VanHammersly said:

But...he literally was in a primary this year.  And everyone that voted for the Biden/Harris ticket voted for Harris as well as Biden.  It's just how Presidential tickets work.  And they followed the line of succession.  And the vast majority of the people that voted for that ticket support this decision.  You really don't have a case here.  I'm not sure why you're still going and what you want us all to say.  

Yawn. It's so funny how libs **** about Trump and the primary in 2020 not being a primary and then call this a real primary. I sure as F do but you all won't just own it and move on. 

You all can post as much BS as you want but facts do matter as Vikas said. They knew he wasn't fit and they had a debate in June to pull this exact crap. No arguing against it. 

4 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

Also, stop with the BS talking point that the Democrats stopped RFK Jr. from running in the primaries. He voluntarily withdrew to run as an independent. 

Facts matter.

Not like much would have happened. He's running on his name only. He's a loon

2 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Facts do matter. There are videos of him saying point blank they told him in back rooms they were cancelling primaries in FL and other states. 

Oh well if he said it, then it must be absolutely true because clearly he has such a solid track record and would never lie to improve his own standing as an independent.

1 minute ago, Diehardfan said:

So he won a primary this year when they told RFK they would be canceling many states. Got it. There is no problem with that any more than in 2020 when they cancelled them for Trump. The difference is they knowingly had a failing candidate and pulled a bunch of BS to get him off the ticket like having that debate in June for the first time ever. That is what's called shady BS. 

I respect you but you can call it stupid as much as you want that doesn't change reality. 

Dude, the Democrats had primaries in 48 states. They didn't in FL and DE. RFK Jr. voluntarily quit, not because they forced him out. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries

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From January 23 to June 8, 2024, presidential primaries and caucuses were organized by the Democratic Party to select the delegates to the 2024 Democratic National Convention, to determine the party's nominee for president in the 2024 United States presidential election. The elections took place in almost all U.S. states (except for Florida and Delaware), the District of Columbia, five U.S. territories, and Democrats Abroad.

DE - Canceled both the GOP and Dem primary because each party had only one candidate register for the ballot

FL - canceled it as well as only Biden qualified, but there was some controversy

 

RFK quit because he was doing better with Republicans.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/robert-f-kennedy-jr-campaign-democratic-party-independent/

 

1 minute ago, VanHammersly said:

oh, well if RFK said it then never mind 

I'm sure he's just lying as well that they told him they were going to cancel Florida and other states. Getting it from a party directly involved probably doesn't count as a source.  

Just now, Diehardfan said:

Yawn. It's so funny how libs **** about Trump and the primary in 2020 not being a primary and then call this a real primary. I sure as F do but you all won't just own it and move on. 

You all can post as much BS as you want but facts do matter as Vikas said. They knew he wasn't fit and they had a debate in June to pull this exact crap. No arguing against it. 

Yeah, they put it in June in case this happened, which obviously it did, so in hindsight that was a pretty smart decision.  But your entire case seems to be that I should be upset.  But I'm not.  Do you want me to pretend to be upset?

Just now, vikas83 said:

Dude, the Democrats had primaries in 48 states. They didn't in FL and DE. RFK Jr. voluntarily quit, not because they forced him out. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries

DE - Canceled both the GOP and Dem primary because each party had only one candidate register for the ballot

FL - canceled it as well as only Biden qualified, but there was some controversy

 

RFK quit because he was doing better with Republicans.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/robert-f-kennedy-jr-campaign-democratic-party-independent/

 

Dude, I guess you better find some videos of him talking about how it all went down then

4 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Facts do matter. There are videos of him saying point blank they told him in back rooms they were cancelling primaries in FL and other states. 

This is what he said -- he was mad they wouldn't have Biden debate him. Gee...wonder if someone else didn't debate in the primaries.

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Kennedy has spent weeks accusing the DNC of "rigging" the party's primary against him and threatening that he might need to consider alternatives.

In campaign emails and videos, he blasted the DNC's decision not to host debates between Biden and other candidates and railed against the committee's plan to give South Carolina rather than Iowa or New Hampshire the leadoff spot on the primary calendar this election cycle.

"If they jam me, I'm going to look at every option," he said in September at a New Hampshire barbecue held by Republican former Sen. Scott Brown.

 

 

8 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries

Just now, VanHammersly said:

Yeah, they put it in June in case this happened, which obviously it did, so in hindsight that was a pretty smart decision.  But your entire case seems to be that I should be upset.  But I'm not.  Do you want me to pretend to be upset?

I don't care if you are upset. Not the point of anything I've said and in fact I probably said that. My point is they pulled some shady crap, cut voters out regardless if people want to say voters in a rigged primary voted for him, and people won't just own up to it ever. Again, Dem crap doesn't stink....yet you all get pissed off at Trump people who won't ever own up to stuff. 

1 minute ago, vikas83 said:

This is what he said -- he was mad they wouldn't have Biden debate him. Gee...wonder if someone else didn't debate in the primaries.

 

He also mentioned Florida and other states weren't going to have open primaries. It came from his mouth. 

1 minute ago, Diehardfan said:

Dude, I guess you better find some videos of him talking about how it all went down then

Yeah, because no politician, or member of the Kennedy family, has ever lied.

They had primaries in 48 states. Dean Phillips ran in most of them and got votes. So, I have reality on my side, and you have...hypothetical videos of a guy whose brain was eaten by a worm.

12 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

The people who voted for Biden in 2020 were not voting for her to be president if he left office.

wat?

The dude was 78 when he was elected and that's quite literally what the role of a VP is should a president need to leave office. 

Just now, vikas83 said:

Yeah, because no politician, or member of the Kennedy family, has ever lied.

They had primaries in 48 states. Dean Phillips ran in most of them and got votes. So, I have reality on my side, and you have...hypothetical videos of a guy whose brain was eaten by a worm.

Not going to argue the latter, but considering the shady BS they just pulled with this it shouldn't shock anyone they'd tell him that. 

13 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

 

Did they know Biden was failing before June? I'd bet a ton of money on the fact they did. 

Did they know in May when they scheduled the debate in June? 100% no question

Did they do that so they could replace him? Absolutely 

Could they have had a primary before then? Yep, but the power brokers in the Dem party had this in mind. 

 

your assumptions aren't facts though. i know you think they are...but they aren't. and they are the premise of your entire argument. 

Just now, Diehardfan said:

He also mentioned Florida and other states weren't going to have open primaries. It came from his mouth. 

DE and FL both canceled their primaries. DE canceled both the GOP and Democrat because everyone had dropped out. The FL Democratic party did face some backlash for canceling, but Phillips was already out by then.

You're usually a good dude. You are just flat out wrong here claiming they shut down primaries. They embarrassed Biden when "uncommitted" kept getting double digits.