1 minute ago, we_gotta_believe said:

wat?

The dude was 78 when he was elected and that's quite literally what the role of a VP is should a president need to leave office. 

Meaning not running again and having her name on the ticket in November 

12 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

they would be canceling many states

 Two. They canceled two states, dude.

4 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

I don't care if you are upset. Not the point of anything I've said and in fact I probably said that. My point is they pulled some shady crap, cut voters out regardless if people want to say voters in a rigged primary voted for him, and people won't just own up to it ever. Again, Dem crap doesn't stink....yet you all get pissed off at Trump people who won't ever own up to stuff. 

I already addressed all this.  A large-scale Dem outrage would be self-defeating, help the person the entire Dem party wants to defeat, and of course would be fake anyway, since we all wanted this to happen.  But if you want to call us hypocrites for supporting something that's legal and what we all want while being against something that was both illegal and completely against our wishes, then have at it.  

Just now, vikas83 said:

DE and FL both canceled their primaries. DE canceled both the GOP and Democrat because everyone had dropped out. The FL Democratic party did face some backlash for canceling, but Phillips was already out by then.

You're usually a good dude. You are just flat out wrong here claiming they shut down primaries. They embarrassed Biden when "uncommitted" kept getting double digits.

So they did shut down the FL primary. So that was correct. So how am I wrong that they shut down primaries when you just said they shut FL which is the one I mentioned? 

22 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

A controlled primary isn't a real primary or they wouldn't have told RFK they were cancelling many states he wanted to contest. 

If your ENTIRE argument is held together by a single linchpin of something RFK Jr asserts is true but nobody else (including Dean Philips) has corroborated, you have an absolutely dogshit argument.

54 minutes ago, pisceschica said:

https://www.nytimes.com/elections/2016/results/president

PA +44,292

MI + 10,604

WI +22,748

so 77,644 

 

 

Honest question for my D friends in here...is Kamala a better, more qualified candidate than Hillary was? I'd think they're pretty close, no?

Do I like how all this went down? No. While I think Biden was dead man walking after that debate, he's also the sitting POTUS and deserved more respect than he was shown, IMO. I was vocal that the cascading announcements by no name Democratic congressmen looking to get on TV by calling for him to step down was wrong and disrespectful. This was always Biden's decision to make. The one qualifier is it was also the donors' decision to make to cut off funding for a lost cause. I think that, more than anything, is what pushed Biden to get there.

This all should have been done in a much more respectful way, but we are where we are.

1 minute ago, VanHammersly said:

I already addressed all this.  A large-scale Dem outrage would be self-defeating, help the person the entire Dem party wants to defeat, and of course would be fake anyway, since we all wanted this to happen.  But if you want to call us hypocrites for supporting something that's legal and what we all want while being against something that was both illegal and completely against our wishes, then have at it.  

My main point is one that I still stand by. They pulled shady crap. Illegal? Never said it was. Unfair? Not my problem. Did it cut voters out? Yeah, even with a rigged primary. Do I care about people impacted? Nope. But it was shady crap and planned around that June debate. That's it. 

2 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

If your ENTIRE argument is held together by a signle linchpin of something RFK Jr asserts is true but nobody else (including Dean Philips) has corroborated, you have an absolutely dogshit argument.

Vikas just said they shut the FL primary down, so I'm no fan of RFK but they didn't want people contesting Biden, which I get. 

15 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

So he won a primary this year when they told RFK they would be canceling many states. Got it. There is no problem with that any more than in 2020 when they cancelled them for Trump. The difference is they knowingly had a failing candidate and pulled a bunch of BS to get him off the ticket like having that debate in June for the first time ever. That is what's called shady BS. 

I respect you but you can call it stupid as much as you want that doesn't change reality. 

Because FL alone isn't "many states." But nice try.

Here's an article on FL: https://floridaphoenix.com/2024/03/20/chair-nikki-fried-defends-democratic-partys-move-to-cancel-primary-desantis-ridiculed-the-move/

1 minute ago, vikas83 said:

The one qualifier is it was also the donors' decision to make to cut off funding for a lost cause. I think that, more than anything, is what pushed Biden to get there.

100%, funding and polling were the two keys

This is hurting my eyes

2 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

Because FL alone isn't "many states." But nice try.

Here's an article on FL: https://floridaphoenix.com/2024/03/20/chair-nikki-fried-defends-democratic-partys-move-to-cancel-primary-desantis-ridiculed-the-move/

So it's  at least two and who knows how many others would have been shut down if he didn't back out. My point is they knew he was failing even then and they pushed other people out from running against him which I get

2 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

My main point is one that I still stand by. They pulled shady crap. Illegal? Never said it was. Unfair? Not my problem. Did it cut voters out? Yeah, even with a rigged primary. Do I care about people impacted? Nope. But it was shady crap and planned around that June debate. That's it. 

So you would have liked for them to have a primary after Biden stepped down from the election?

Also, FL was after Biden had clinched the nomination. Dean Phillips and others did due, but they were not granted an injunction.

But this decision was made WELL after RFK Jr. had gone independent.

1 minute ago, Mike030270 said:

So you would have liked for them to have a primary after Biden stepped down from the election?

I don't give a f that's Dems problem. I don't give a f about their voters or that they did it, but it was shady crap and I'm calling it what it was. Smart crap? Probably, but still shady. 

3 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

Honest question for my D friends in here...is Kamala a better, more qualified candidate than Hillary was? I'd think they're pretty close, no?

Way better.  More qualified?  Probably not, but honestly Hilary's qualifications were part of her downfall.  She's been around so long she'd accumulated a ton of baggage.

7 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

You're usually a good dude

It reminds me so much of Sacha Baron Cohen's comments after he stayed with the two rural dudes while filming the second Borat movie. "They aren't evil or deranged, these were good people who are just being fed bad information."

There are open primaries and closed primaries.

PA is closed primary.

That means only registered voters for a political party can vote. Those parties are Dem and Maga. Independents are not registered with a party and they can not vote. 

Registered Dems can only vote for the Dem candidate. Biden ran unopposed. Biden ran with Harris. Thus a vote for Biden is a vote for the Biden Harris Ticket. (my point)

Registered Maga can only vote for Trump. Trump ran unopposed. 

The number of registered dems voted for Biden by more votes then registered Maga voted for Trump in PA in 2024 Presidential Primaries. 

Thus, In conclusion, the argument could be made that primary voters were not disenfranchised because they voted for harris in the Primary in 2024. 

Just now, Diehardfan said:

So it's  at least two and who knows how many others would have been shut down if he didn't back out. My point is they knew he was failing even then and they pushed other people out from running against him which I get

DE was cancelled according to DE law. No other candidate (either GOP or Dem) filed to challenge Trump or Biden. It is the law.

https://elections.delaware.gov/voter/pdfs/20240402_PublicNotice_DelawarePresidentialPrimaryElection.pdf

FL was canceled because it was after Biden secured the nomination, but by the party. So not by law. This is the single primary that was arguably canceled.

3 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

Honest question for my D friends in here...is Kamala a better, more qualified candidate than Hillary was? I'd think they're pretty close, no?

Not a dem but what controversy or scandal has Kamala had?

5 minutes ago, DiPros said:

This is hurting my eyes

 

 

4 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

Also, FL was after Biden had clinched the nomination. Dean Phillips and others did due, but they were not granted an injunction.

But this decision was made WELL after RFK Jr. had gone independent.

My main point is the heads of the Dem party pulled some shady crap to force a president off the ticket and replace him. Smart, right, wrong, etc I don't care. But it was shady and it did cut people out. Why that can't just be accepted for what it was is beyond me, and hypocrisy even if I'm not the ambassador of eloquent statements making my points. 

They pulled shady crap. I get it and it was smart, but still shady. 

diehard going down like leonidas.