2 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

I don't give a f that's Dems problem. I don't give a f about their voters or that they did it, but it was shady crap and I'm calling it what it was. Smart crap? Probably, but still shady. 

You don't care but you're calling it shady. So you do care. I was just asking what you had preferred happened

So you wouldn't think it's shady if they just restart the primaries with a few months left to election?

4 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

Also, FL was after Biden had clinched the nomination. Dean Phillips and others did due, but they were not granted an injunction.

But this decision was made WELL after RFK Jr. had gone independent.

Key word is Biden clinched the nomination.   Contrary to what the libs are saying, the VP is not chosen by the primary.  It is chosen by the candidate. 

1 minute ago, Alpha_TATEr said:

diehard going down like leonidas. 

It's a forum. 

Welp, Maga has been telling us Biden should step down because he is mentally unfit for months. 

Biden steps down. The next day he endorses Harris. 

Now the complaint is that it's shady? 

Yep. the Earth really is flat. 

Just now, Diehardfan said:

 

My main point is the heads of the Dem party pulled some shady crap to force a president off the ticket and replace him. Smart, right, wrong, etc I don't care. But it was shady and it did cut people out. Why that can't just be accepted for what it was is beyond me, and hypocrisy even if I'm not the ambassador of eloquent statements making my points. 

I agree I don't like how the last 4 weeks were handled. But there was a primary. Anyone could have run. Only Dean Phillips, Marianne Williamson and Cenk Uygur chose to do so. RFK quit in late 2023 and became an independent.

1 minute ago, Diehardfan said:

 

My main point is the heads of the Dem party pulled some shady crap to force a president off the ticket and replace him. Smart, right, wrong, etc I don't care. But it was shady and it did cut people out. Why that can't just be accepted for what it was is beyond me, and hypocrisy even if I'm not the ambassador of eloquent statements making my points. 

The head of the Dem party is Joe Biden.  No one made that decision but him.  There was no real way to "force" him off the ticket.  They asked him.  Showed him numbers.  The money dried up.  That was it.  But in the end, he had to make the call.

1 minute ago, Diehardfan said:

 

My main point is the heads of the Dem party pulled some shady crap to force a president off the ticket and replace him. Smart, right, wrong, etc I don't care. But it was shady and it did cut people out. Why that can't just be accepted for what it was is beyond me, and hypocrisy even if I'm not the ambassador of eloquent statements making my points. 

How do you know it wasn't just a family decision? You're assuming he was forced. Jill could have had a serious talk with him about his age 🤷‍♂️

1 minute ago, Mike030270 said:

You don't care but you're calling it shady. So you do care. I was just asking what you had preferred happened

So you wouldn't think it's shady if they just restart the primaries with a few months left to election?

Calling something what it is doesn't mean I care that it happened. 

8 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Vikas just said they shut the FL primary down, so I'm no fan of RFK but they didn't want people contesting Biden, which I get. 

You've moved the goal posts from canceling "many states" down to just 2. That doesn't mean it was a "rigged primary". Like vikas pointed out, actually cancelling them would have been better seeing as how many voters were casting ballots for Uncommitted which turned out to be a bit embarrassing for an incumbent President.

1 minute ago, BBE said:

Key word is Biden clinched the nomination.   Contrary to what the libs are saying, the VP is not chosen by the primary.  It is chosen by the candidate. 

Agree, but Biden is free to release his delegates to vote for someone else. Or decline the nomination if they still vote for him.

1 minute ago, Mike030270 said:

How do you know it wasn't just a family decision? You're assuming he was forced. Jill could have had a serious talk with him about his age 🤷‍♂️

While it is possible, that is not probable.

6 minutes ago, VanHammersly said:

Way better.  More qualified?  Probably not, but honestly Hilary's qualifications were part of her downfall.  She's been around so long she'd accumulated a ton of baggage.

Good point. Hillary had far more skeletons I suppose.

4 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Not a dem but what controversy or scandal has Kamala had?

I didn't say anything about controversies or scandals. Was just curious if the Dems in here think she's a better candidate than Hillary was.

1 minute ago, Mike030270 said:

How do you know it wasn't just a family decision? You're assuming he was forced. Jill could have had a serious talk with him about his age 🤷‍♂️

All I can go on was the stories that came out, his personal statements, campaign statements, and the fact his staff was caught off guard. That doesn't change the fact they had a debate in June with the purpose of having him removed from the ticket. 

early debate was to shake things up & remind voters how batsheet crazy trump is because he was somehow leading in the polls despite his track record...and criminal record. that all backfired when joe sheet the bed. there was no coming back from that, imo. 

he was stubbornly trying to hang onto the nomination...until donors bailed. that's when the choice was made for him. all of this is 100% fact!!!     

Just now, vikas83 said:

Agree, but Biden is free to release his delegates to vote for someone else. Or decline the nomination if they still vote for him.

True, but the delegates are not bound to vote for who he endorses.  

1 minute ago, BBE said:

Key word is Biden clinched the nomination.   Contrary to what the libs are saying, the VP is not chosen by the primary.  It is chosen by the candidate. 

And the candidate with the delegates can give them up after a primary.  Is this not true?  

I really am not getting this at all.

News flash. Biden is going to address the Nation about his decision tomorrow. Stay tuned. 

1 minute ago, we_gotta_believe said:

You've moved the goal posts from canceling "many states" down to just 2. That doesn't mean it was a "rigged primary". Like vikas pointed out, actually cancelling them would have been better seeing as how many voters were casting ballots for Uncommitted which turned out to be a bit embarrassing for an incumbent President.

I don't give a f about the primary aspect of this either.  Many, two, one, I don't care. That's a minor point in the big picture of them having a debate in June to have him tossed. That's shady. 

9 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

So it's  at least two and who knows how many others would have been shut down if he didn't back out

This makes zero sense, but trying to explain this to you any further isn't worth it because you've got your mind made up and apparently RFK Jr's word holds more sway with you than reality.

7 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Not a dem but what controversy or scandal has Kamala had?

being TOO sexy?     

6 hours ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

How long before we start seeing the first Kamala v Trump polls? Another week? 

The quicker you see them the less reliable they are. Give it a couple weeks for the serious market research to get done.

1 minute ago, DiPros said:

And the candidate with the delegates can give them up after a primary.  Is this not true?  

I really am not getting this at all.

100% true

Just now, BBE said:

True, but the delegates are not bound to vote for who he endorses.  

Correct, though it appears they will. But my understanding is they are free to vote for anyone. Although they have said they are voting Harris, there is no binding requirement to do so.

2 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Calling something what it is doesn't mean I care that it happened. 

you do care, and it's great that you do, regardless of if we agree or not. 

1 hour ago, paco said:

Even better than Vice President Trump?

Better than Spiro Agnew, no less!