Et tu, Fox?

1 hour ago, Toastrel said:

 

Et tu, Fox?

any bottom-donny rants about this one?

Aww, does someone have the sads because of all the couch jokes? Imagine how stupid you have to be to try to play the name-calling card when your running mate is Donald Trump.

 

12 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Aww, does someone have the sads because of all the couch jokes? Imagine how stupid you have to be to try to play the name-calling card when you're running mate is Donald Trump.

 

the way trump whines when someone asked him a real question instead of offering a hummer is awesome. 

 

she was mean with her nasty questions. 

Wait, did he actually throw his own VP under the bus already?  

 

14 minutes ago, Alpha_TATEr said:

There was a fake story about Walz having to get his stomach pumped due drinking too much horse semen. Basically the conservative counter to the couch Fing thing. 

45 minutes ago, NCTANK said:

You folks have the most twisted fantasies.

2 minutes ago, Toastrel said:

You folks have the most twisted fantasies.

I mean, "we" did also kinda make up that Vance Fed his own couch...

11 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

There was a fake story about Walz having to get his stomach pumped due drinking too much horse semen. Basically the conservative counter to the couch Fing thing. 

ok, turnabout is fair play. 

12 minutes ago, Alpha_TATEr said:

ok, turnabout is fair play. 

Yup pretty much how I see it. Funny premise but it hasn't stuck as strongly. I think because it's too over the top and Walz isn't queefing about how childish it is like Vance, making people double down. 🤷

50 minutes ago, Toastrel said:

You folks have the most twisted fantasies.

and you folks are so triggered by everything 

54 minutes ago, Toastrel said:

You folks have the most twisted fantasies.

 

3 minutes ago, NCTANK said:

and you folks are so triggered by everything 

the wheels on the bus go round and round .....

46 minutes ago, NCTANK said:

and you folks are so triggered by everything 

43 minutes ago, NCTANK said:

If you have nothing, make something up!!

5 hours ago, Toastrel said:

Democrats/Communist in the US sure did a lot of burning while Trump was president.

 

 

16 hours ago, Tnt4philly said:

This isn’t political for me. As a retiree, I simply refuse to question the character of a fellow retiree’s service because of politics  

I don't believe anyone's questioning his actual service, from what I've seen it's more a question of whether or not he's lying about his service after the fact though I do see people who were in his unit that are saying that he wasn't a good leader (his LTC, the CSM specifically, but I think there's others). For them to call into question (or defend) his performance of his duties is appropriate. They were there.

If he made claims after the fact, it's also appropriate to examine his service to see if his claims are the truth or if they are lies. 

This next bit is going off topic to an extent so I'll put it all into a spoiler, it's a case of 'stolen valor' that I found interesting (and disappointing). Read it if you wish:

Remember the movie "We Were Soldiers" and the crusty, tough old CSM Plumley played by Sam Elliot?

Spoiler

(A picture from the movie)

The real man:

He served in the Army for 32 years and was an amazing soldier who full well deserves all the honor that could be given him for his actual service. But apparently, he exaggerated his exploits and wore awards that he shouldn't have been wearing. He wore the Airborne wings of a Master Parachutist with 5 combat stars indicating 5 jumps into combat (4 in WWII and 1 in Korea).  But in WWII, he was a gliderman in the 82nd and didn't jump, and didn't serve in Korea so he couldn't have jumped. 

As you see above, he also wore 3 CIB's when he only actually earned 1 and he's wearing more Silver Stars and Bronze stars than he actually earned. 

I don't think anyone would call into question his actual service. The man is a legend and did legendary things over a very long career. Calling into question whether he lied and claimed/wore awards that he didn't earn though, is completely appropriate.

To be fair to CSM Plumley, I his DD-214 had some discrepancies on it that shouldn't have been there. Apparently, it gave him credit for two CIB's (though he wore 3), but he only actually earned a single CIB.  

The article that I read about this is from 2016, so it's possible that some of this info has changed but I haven't looked much deeper into it (as of this moment), but if you want to read the article, it's here: https://www.military.com/daily-news/2016/05/17/army-investigating-we-were-soldiers-legend-for-inflating-award.html

Questioning his actions after leaving the National Guard isn't questioning his actual honorable service. So let's agree that it was (and is) honorable of him to serve for 24 years, be it part time or full time. 

If he later lied about his service for political gain/motivations though, would you say that that's proper or honorable or would you condemn that?

2 hours ago, we_gotta_believe said:

 

3 minutes ago, NCTANK said:

 

so, you admit to having a stick figure deek?  

Just now, Alpha_TATEr said:

so, you admit to having a stick figure deek?  

please keep this on the down low. tia 👍

54 minutes ago, NCTANK said:

 

4 hours ago, DEagle7 said:

There was a fake story about Walz having to get his stomach pumped due drinking too much horse semen. Basically the conservative counter to the couch Fing thing.