2 hours ago, UK Eagle said:

Of course it's flippant. Let's go there anyway

• Trying to ban things on the Internet the regime doesn't like ✅

• Laws being created to make it a crime to criticise a certain religion ✅

• Religious extremists controlling police appointments in some cities (Birmingham) ✅

• Two tier justice system to protect preferred races (grooming gangs) and punish those who complain✅

• Rampant anti-semitism ✅

• Govt propaganda tools (above) to reference white extremism while ignoring religious extremism ✅

• Concerns from other similar religious theocracies about religious extremism here (UAE reducing uni funding in the UK due to threat of extremism) ✅

• Religious extremist political party ✅

Our trajectory is currently heading there.

I don't know about the rest of that sheet, but it sound like they're trying to ban a child porn website. Hopefully no one likes child porn websites.

3 minutes ago, VanHammersly said:

I don't know about the rest of that sheet, but it sound like they're trying to ban a child porn website. Hopefully no one likes child porn websites.

Head over to the Epstein thread. Quite a few people defending it.

4 hours ago, VanHammersly said:

I don't know about the rest of that sheet, but it sound like they're trying to ban a child porn website. Hopefully no one likes child porn websites.

If they want to do that then Snapchat and Bluesky are where the nonces reside. The real issue is the PM has been community noted 20 times because he can't tell the truth and for someone that thin skinned and narcissistic, big problem. X as a platform isn't allowing for issues they wan to hide, to stay hidden. The media have let the grooming gang issue go, but X is keeping it alive.

The sad irony of the Grok obsession is there are existing laws to deal with the issue, and the law they are proposing will effectively ban Generative AI, If our Technology Secretary had a background in the Industry, they'd know this. Its ironic since the Govt very happily announced an AI strategy months ago to utilise the technology. Their lack of joined thinking is immense.

3 minutes ago, UK Eagle said:

If they want to do that then Snapchat and Bluesky are where the nonces reside. The real issue is the PM has been community noted 20 times because he can't tell the truth and for someone that thin skinned and narcissistic, big problem. X as a platform isn't allowing for issues they wan to hide, to stay hidden. The media have let the grooming gang issue go, but X is keeping it alive.

The sad irony of the Grok obsession is there are existing laws to deal with the issue, and the law they are proposing will effectively ban Generative AI, If our Technology Secretary had a background in the Industry, they'd know this. Its ironic since the Govt very happily announced an AI strategy months ago to utilise the technology. Their lack of joined thinking is immense.

It literally generates images of naked kids dude. It's F'ing sick. Weird thing to defend.

16 hours ago, VanHammersly said:

It literally generates images of naked kids dude. It's F'ing sick. Weird thing to defend.

I am not defending it or other tools that do the same thing. Ofcom fined another social media platform £50k for similar things recently. The question is why rushd a badly written and ill thought through law into place that anyone with a brain can see it will cause multiple unintended downstream effects?

You need to look beyond the jangling keys. There are existing laws in place to prosecute platforms for issues (above), and this Govt is an absolute tell for hidden motives - they are regularly shamed on X both via community notes and the interactions with the public. The starkest comparison is the Grok thing has been sold as a child safety issues but at the same Govt refuses to hold a Grooming Gangs inquiry - the victims are largely children and the problem is still happening today. Ask yourself why they wish to hide actual violence against Children? Why indeed.

Further its just one example. The mandatory Digital ID thing (mandatory part canned yesterday, uturn 13 of their reign) was sold as a way to stop illegal immigration 🤣. Anyone with a brain knew it was a convenient excuse to enforce digital ID across every UK citizen via the back door. Why? Because a good portion of illegals work in the black market so no job checks will likely take place. Why enforce a societal wide change because of illegals, who have no ID when they arrive anyway? The fact the infrastructure has already started to be built when no decisions had apparently been made, suggests a lot right?

Jangling keys to distract fools.

On 1/12/2026 at 12:39 PM, JohnSnowsHair said:

comparing the UK to Iran is preposterous.

You're right, the UK's is far more authoritarian. But leftists here support it because they rightly see it as politically aligned with their own ideology.

Speaking of, a senior Govt minister mentioned the "panopticon" yesterday? What is it you say? Evil

A Panopticon is an architectural concept for an institutional building, most famously a prison, designed by Jeremy Bentham in the 18th century, featuring a central inspection tower surrounded by cells, allowing a single watchman to observe all inmates without them knowing if they are being watched, thereby inducing self-discipline; it later became a philosophical metaphor, popularized by Michel Foucault, for modern surveillance and power structures in society

What is their thinking? They want to monitor everything we do and consequently, Digital ID could be an end punishment for that. How by using the internet and AI

The National

Labour want 'Panopticon' to have 'eyes of the state on yo...

THE Home Secretary has said she wants to create a "Panopticon” system of state surveillance.

They want to create the Minority Report IRL. Effing Communists and their fragile egos. Chillingly evil

In other news, our Govt have decided to give away the Chagos Islands to Mauritius. Its initiation point is a legally flawed human right commission report and ludicrously, we're giving the territory away to then rent it back again - paying upto $34 billion to do it. Even the UIN have said this is stupid, but "international lawz"

Why is this relevant to America? The Diego Garcia Military Base is in the Chagos Islands. Who ultimately influences Mauritius? China. The Chagossian people have been asking and asking for the right to determine the future of their homeland (keep this in mind) before any deal is "done". Our Govt steadfastly refused this request. Trump in the past year kind of shrugged hid shoulders at the del, but dear readers, some of us over here have been waiting for him to realise the consequences and pitch a fit.

Keep further in mind that Dictator Starmer has self branded himself as the "Trump whisperer" in Europe. Between you and me, Trump's body language is more of the lines of who is this idiot. Dictator Starmer quite happily announced the Greenlanders should have the right to determine their future. Chagossians and those with a brain are looking at the statement and thinking WTAF is Starmer doing? He's telling the Chagossians to jog on, but saying Greenlanders should have a vote.

So yesterday, Trump pitched the fit. Starmer's whisperer status is in tatters and he's a bit stuck about what to do. He virtute signalled and sent 1 Army member to Greenland to show solidarity with Denmark, tried to ignore the tariff threats and this blew up in his face.

Just another notch in his reign of incompetence. He needs to go now. A weak man, without the brain power to realise his own mistakes and no credibility. We deserve better,

I had to do some pointless Government bureaucracy over the past week. Verify online they said, very easy, they said. Computer said no and I had to go the Post Office so they could complete the last parts of the easy online verification. How this tinpot Government think they can automate ID online is beyond me. But they are trying.

Meanwhile, the politicians are trying to make it law that you need to be age verified to use a VPN. You read that right. To use a VPN in the UK, you will need to verify with the Govt. They want to rearchitect the internet without understanding the internet to make us a proper communist state. Each week, the authorities over here gets more and more dystopian. Evil.

But there is more. A Govt MP has stood down for "health reasons". The Mayor of Manchester (Andy Burnham, an awful politician) wants to be leader of the Labour party and thus our PM, and that ambition is blatantly obvious. What an opportunity for the dumb fox to get into the hen house! But because he's a Mayor, he needed permission to stand from the Labour NEC. Who refused it it due to the costs and inconvenience to taxpayers. While the same Govt are trying to give Mauritius £35bn to take away the Chagos Islands. Starmer has such little political nuance that its very likely that Labour would not win that election, so allowing his rival to lose is the right call.

As for Chagos Islands. It turns out NIgel Farage had a coffee with Scott Bessent at the WEF meetup, and the reality of the Chagos deal became clear to your Govt. The whole thing is turning into an absolute omnishambles - our forensic lawyer of a PM neglected to communicate clearly to your Govt about a 1996 treaty that means we needed permission from your Govt before doing anything - I guess they hoped you wouldn't notice. There is also another treaty on the islands surrounding the Belgians relinquishing control of them. Yes, our Govt lied to yours to sneak a deal in. Is this why Starmer hid away from the WEF this year?

What a clustermuck we've become.

1 hour ago, UK Eagle said:

Yes, our Govt lied to yours to sneak a deal in.

Our gov't is made up men and women of impeccable integrity, so this will not go over well.

13 minutes ago, VanHammersly said:

Our gov't is made up men and women of impeccable integrity, so this will not go over well.

The fact someone not in Govt had to blow the whistle will only be more annoying. Its no mistake that a lot politicians and officials over here did their best to lie about Chagos and rush the whole thing through Parliament so they could claim the deal is done. And they are still trying their best to workaround your anger.

Its not Trump I'd worry about so much as his cabinet members who were lied to directly (Rubio, etc). by our Govt. To involve an important US Naval base in that lie is perhaps the most egregious part of this. Mauritius had reportedly already sold some island in the area to China.

7 minutes ago, UK Eagle said:

The fact someone not in Govt had to blow the whistle will only be more annoying. Its no mistake that a lot politicians and officials over here did their best to lie about Chagos and rush the whole thing through Parliament so they could claim the deal is done. And they are still trying their best to workaround your anger.

Its not Trump I'd worry about so much as his cabinet members who were lied to directly (Rubio, etc). by our Govt. To involve an important US Naval base in that lie is perhaps the most egregious part of this. Mauritius had reportedly already sold some island in the area to China.

I don't even know what you're talking about dude. I was just F'ing around.

Our gov'ts made up of a bunch of circus freaks that hold daily 2 hour press conferences where they heap praise on a known child rapist. Probably not that big of a deal that ya'll lied to them.

22 hours ago, VanHammersly said:

I don't even know what you're talking about dude. I was just F'ing around.

Our gov'ts made up of a bunch of circus freaks that hold daily 2 hour press conferences where they heap praise on a known child rapist. Probably not that big of a deal that ya'll lied to them.

I got that but worth highlighting via that post how good you have it compared to the UK in relative terms (even if it doesn't seem so). Europe is cooked at the moment. Our Govt actively hates its indigenous population other than bleeding it dry for taxation; I don't see the Orange Man trying to limit free speech or hiking taxes so much, that the country is both seeing significant capital flight abroad, a staganting job market. and inflation 75% over target. Being flippant, I'd take a leader that likes his country vs one that seems to hate most of it.

And this just highlights it how risible my Govt are. This what they tried to do to one of our biggest allies (i.e. you). on the Chagos Islands

Lying sacks of ****e

On 1/14/2026 at 10:22 AM, Kz! said:

You're right, the UK's is far more authoritarian. But leftists here support it because they rightly see it as politically aligned with their own ideology.

Is the government of the UK shooting people in the streets for no reason?

17 minutes ago, UK Eagle said:

I don't see the Orange Man trying to limit free speech

4 minutes ago, UK Eagle said:

I don't see the Orange Man trying to limit free speech or hiking taxes so much, that the country is both seeing significant capital flight abroad, a staganting job market. and inflation 75% over target.

Can't tell if you're serious here. Trump's goon squad is snatching people off the street, detaining them, beating the sheet out of them for exercising their free speech. His tariffs are the biggest tax increase in decades. The job market went from booming to completely stagnated thanks to him. And grocery prices are higher than ever.

21 minutes ago, UK Eagle said:

I don't see the Orange Man trying to limit free speech or hiking taxes so much

Trump put a sales tax on all imports, and he's literally having goon squads execute people for exercising their free speech. You are completely delusional.

1 hour ago, Gannan said:

Is the government of the UK shooting people in the streets for no reason?

1 hour ago, VanHammersly said:

Can't tell if you're serious here. Trump's goon squad is snatching people off the street, detaining them, beating the sheet out of them for exercising their free speech. His tariffs are the biggest tax increase in decades. The job market went from booming to completely stagnated thanks to him. And grocery prices are higher than ever.

Not recently. We just cover up the industrial SA of white girls and rampant fraud.

ICE stuff

Let's be real here. Removal of illegal immigrants is not illegal as your legal framework is setup, correct? I very much understand why some on the left, particularly as you get towards the communist end of the scale, find that triggering and disagree with the concept (as is your right) . If it was illegal nationally, your legal system would have already interjected in 2025. correctly I might add, to stop ICE enforcement there and then They have not done that and I assume this has been litigated a lot. Therefore as I read it, ICE are not unlawfully enforcing the law as defined. You can intellectually disagree with that but it doesn't enable or justify interrupting the enforcement of the law because of your personal feelings, self righteous indignation or philosophical disagreement. I despise nonces, but I am not justified in driving to Bradford or Halifax and assaulting one; it's not how society works.

It therefore makes intervening in the arrest/s or blocking law enforcement a legal matter, and unfortunately, interactions to prevent enforcement of the law from you or I in those matters will likely lead to impacts that mean injury (flash bang lady) or death (Preti & Good). The worst impact. Even I know that interacting with law enforcement and not telling them you are armed will not end well for someone. It will go wrong

I find both deaths in Minnesota very sad because they were so preventable on both persons parts; I wish the situations had ended peacefully and them living to protest another day. I am not sure what the agents on both deaths could have done (have seen both more many angles) other than do the mystical shoot the tyres out or not react to a gun shot going off. Fog of war doesn't work like that and none of us know how we'd react in those moments. Its easy to judge from our couches.

The situation in Minnesota is not a goon squad taking legal citizens off of the streets as they see fit because Trump told them to- that is what is happening in Iran right with the Ayatollah (30k deaths so far). I understand why the left perceive that, but it doesn't make it true IRL for normies or illegal. You can fairly disagree with ICE and feel the need to peacefully protest every day about it, but at some point, you or I need to own the inherent risks if we intercede with law enforcement when they are enforcing the law. You need to question why the Biden Administration allowed ICE to still exist and for the Trump administration the legal cover to apply the law ASAP.

As for free speech, I've seen many, many videos white liberal women verbally abusing agents. Your Govt are not restricting the ability for protestors to talk about it online or in the physical world. My Govt are doing that ish.

And I'll be honest. I think Trump's presidency is only a 5/10 at its best; but if you look at how bad European leaders are, you are lucky in relative terms (Starmer 1/10, Macon 0.5/10, Merz 210). High grocery prices are not unique to America - we have inflation still above 3%. The job market here is stagnating because jobs have been taxed highly and the minimum wage increased a lot - so welfare is up and 250k 18-25 years old have emigrated because the economy is in the toilet and its hard to get a job. Our economy is barely growing in GDP and has months where it contracts - our 0.1% growth in November was because a sin tax was raised, not through economic growth. In another month, borrowing money gave us 0.1% GDP.

Speaking of. Our Govt is continuing to borrow eye watering amounts of money because their taxation polices haven't worked and they won't cut spending. We are living the Laffer Curve of high taxations not generating high revenues. They thought they'd magically break the reality. We're broke AF.

Our Govt are paying eye watering sums for renewables because we refuse to drill for oil and gas. Ed Miliband keeps signing up contracts that are poor value for money, and we've just agreed higher prices by aligning with EU carbon credits. You have no idea how bad it is over here. We're on the verge of a recession and going bust. We keep talking of putting troops into Ukraine or Greenland, but have none. The have decided to change the law so if you are reservist upto 65, you can be called up to fight for the armed services.

So yeah, Trump with his issues is a step above what we have.

We are in massive debt, and Trump is spending more than Biden did. It turns out execution squads and hired goons aren't cheap. We are getting modest GDP growth at best. 40% of the S&P is coming from AI, when that bubble bursts, it's going ot be lots of fun. We are likely going to see elections canceled via the insurrection act. You at least live in a free society. We live under a fascist dictatorship. I would take the UK over this ish any day of the week.

3 hours ago, UK Eagle said:

Our Govt actively hates its indigenous population

What a coincidence: The US govt hates its indigenous population too. They are trying to deport them with the illegal immigrants.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2026/01/14/native-americans-detained-ice-trump-minnesota/88164562007/

14 minutes ago, UK Eagle said:

Not recently. We just cover up the industrial SA of white girls and rampant fraud.

ICE stuff

Let's be real here. Removal of illegal immigrants is not illegal as your legal framework is setup, correct? I very much understand why some on the left, particularly as you get towards the communist end of the scale, find that triggering and disagree with the concept (as is your right) . If it was illegal nationally, your legal system would have already interjected in 2025. correctly I might add, to stop ICE enforcement there and then They have not done that and I assume this has been litigated a lot. Therefore as I read it, ICE are not unlawfully enforcing the law as defined. You can intellectually disagree with that but it doesn't enable or justify interrupting the enforcement of the law because of your personal feelings, self righteous indignation or philosophical disagreement. I despise nonces, but I am not justified in driving to Bradford or Halifax and assaulting one; it's not how society works.

It therefore makes intervening in the arrest/s or blocking law enforcement a legal matter, and unfortunately, interactions to prevent enforcement of the law from you or I in those matters will likely lead to impacts that mean injury (flash bang lady) or death (Preti & Good). The worst impact. Even I know that interacting with law enforcement and not telling them you are armed will not end well for someone. It will go wrong

I find both deaths in Minnesota very sad because they were so preventable on both persons parts; I wish the situations had ended peacefully and them living to protest another day. I am not sure what the agents on both deaths could have done (have seen both more many angles) other than do the mystical shoot the tyres out or not react to a gun shot going off. Fog of war doesn't work like that and none of us know how we'd react in those moments. Its easy to judge from our couches.

The situation in Minnesota is not a goon squad taking legal citizens off of the streets as they see fit because Trump told them to- that is what is happening in Iran right with the Ayatollah (30k deaths so far). I understand why the left perceive that, but it doesn't make it true IRL for normies or illegal. You can fairly disagree with ICE and feel the need to peacefully protest every day about it, but at some point, you or I need to own the inherent risks if we intercede with law enforcement when they are enforcing the law. You need to question why the Biden Administration allowed ICE to still exist and for the Trump administration the legal cover to apply the law ASAP.

As for free speech, I've seen many, many videos white liberal women verbally abusing agents. Your Govt are not restricting the ability for protestors to talk about it online or in the physical world. My Govt are doing that ish.

And I'll be honest. I think Trump's presidency is only a 5/10 at its best; but if you look at how bad European leaders are, you are lucky in relative terms (Starmer 1/10, Macon 0.5/10, Merz 210). High grocery prices are not unique to America - we have inflation still above 3%. The job market here is stagnating because jobs have been taxed highly and the minimum wage increased a lot - so welfare is up and 250k 18-25 years old have emigrated because the economy is in the toilet and its hard to get a job. Our economy is barely growing in GDP and has months where it contracts - our 0.1% growth in November was because a sin tax was raised, not through economic growth. In another month, borrowing money gave us 0.1% GDP.

Speaking of. Our Govt is continuing to borrow eye watering amounts of money because their taxation polices haven't worked and they won't cut spending. We are living the Laffer Curve of high taxations not generating high revenues. They thought they'd magically break the reality. We're broke AF.

Our Govt are paying eye watering sums for renewables because we refuse to drill for oil and gas. Ed Miliband keeps signing up contracts that are poor value for money, and we've just agreed higher prices by aligning with EU carbon credits. You have no idea how bad it is over here. We're on the verge of a recession and going bust. We keep talking of putting troops into Ukraine or Greenland, but have none. The have decided to change the law so if you are reservist upto 65, you can be called up to fight for the armed services.

So yeah, Trump with his issues is a step above what we have.

Look, I realize you're probably the equivalent of MAGA in the UK, so this is likely falling on deaf ears, but you don't want what the far right is pushing. I promise you. National Socialists are National Socialists, no matter where they are, and once they get in charge, they never leave peacefully. The likelihood that we have another Presidential election of any merit is extremely low right now and pretty much every non-hardcore right wing nationalist in America that voted for Trump completely regrets it at this point. They'll go after immigrants like they say they will but that's the only thing you'll get. They'll give you nothing on affordability, nothing on inflation, they'll lose you jobs, isolate you from the world, limit your freedoms, and you'll have no recourse because their main goal is to retain complete power and never give it up.

1 hour ago, UK Eagle said:

Your Govt are not restricting the ability for protestors to talk about it online or in the physical world

"So besides the government literally shooting you in the head, how else was your ability to speak freely restricted, Mr Pretti?"

1 hour ago, we_gotta_believe said:

"So besides the government literally shooting you in the head, how else was your ability to speak freely restricted, Mr Pretti?"

He's also 100% wrong about that. Trump hand picked and approved of the buyers of TikTok to do exactly what he's talking about, restrict the ability of protestors to talk about it online, which is exactly what they're doing right now, and he's used lawsuits and the threat of killing mergers to pressure the media across the board to fall in line. To act like he hasn't been the most hostile modern President to the 1st amendment is completely delusional.

28 minutes ago, VanHammersly said:

He's also 100% wrong about that. Trump hand picked and approved of the buyers of TikTok to do exactly what he's talking about, restrict the ability of protestors to talk about it online, which is exactly what they're doing right now, and he's used lawsuits and the threat of killing mergers to pressure the media across the board to fall in line. To act like he hasn't been the most hostile modern President to the 1st amendment is completely delusional.

Tik tok is one example. CBS news is another. Watching CBS news go from hard hitting investigative journalism to an even cheesier version of Fox news is horrifying.