August 23, 20241 yr 3 hours ago, EagleVA said: I makes no sense!! The entire EMB agrees with you for once.
August 23, 20241 yr Author 17 minutes ago, AmericanEagle77 said: I think the trade was a little steep for me, if it was a 4th I would have been more happy with it. Let's do the 2025 trade value chart math: https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-Value-Chart.asp Eagles give #92 (their 3rd) - value 132, #216 (7th via Den) - value 5, #222 (7th via NO) - value 2.3 --------- Eagles get #143 (Wash. 5th) - value 34.5 132 + 5 + 2.3 -34 = 105.3 105.3 corresponds to around 98 or 99 on the draft chart which approximates a low 3rd round compensatory pick. A couple of spots above the fourth round.
August 23, 20241 yr 11 hours ago, Cochis_Calhoun said: OK maybe Reagor level is a bit harsh but He's a first round WR who got under 600 yards in each of his first two years despite being up against Curtis Samuel for WR2, and Washington are willing to let him go for a third and 2 sevenths despite losing Samuel in free agency and only adding Christian McCaffreys brother in the 3rd, our WR3 from last year and Martavis Bryant from the hotbox in his bathroom. If they think moving on Dotson doesn't affect their shiny new franchise QB's chances what does that, along with watching Dotson play the last two years tell you about this move? He is not a stand out receiver. I just don't see the point in giving up a 3rd for a marginal upgrade at 4th receiving option. It's dealing for the sake of dealing, it doesn't move the needle. He was in a horrible situation in DC, is a poor fit as for as skill set for the system they want to run, plus he was disgruntled. It’s not like the kid can’t play — he showed some good flashes in DC. But let me give you another perspective — "expected value.” A third round pick has about a 25% chance to become a starter, and a rookie contract is 4 years long. So the "expected value” of a 3rd round pick is 1 year of a starting caliber player. Well, Dotson has proven he can be a competent, if unspectacular, starter. And we have him locked up for 2 years on cheap rookie money, PLUS we have a team option for a 3rd season. This is a spectacularly good trade just by looking at the math of it and what each team would project to get. We got DOUBLE the expected value of our third round pick, PLUS a team option on a third year, PLUS a 5th round pick. And that’s not even using the "time value” of draft picks which is generally a full round lower for every year in the future. If you apply that discount, it’s even better. As I analyze this trade from a purely statistical perspective, it might be one of the best deals Howie has ever done from a pure risk/reward perspective. Which is really saying something. Now obviously Dotson may be a total flop, but just looking at this dispassionately from a math perspective it’s a massive, massive win.
August 23, 20241 yr Hopefully he can turn himself into a Jason Avant type player. Pops up when needed with great hands and can make the slot role his own. It adds another dimension to the offense.
August 23, 20241 yr Anyone complaining about this is either not very bright, or just chooses to be negative for the sake of being negative. -As far as compensation, two 7th round picks are garbage. They gave up a 3rd for Dotson and a 5th. They already had two 3's and even AFTER the deal they have a 1, 2, 3, and FOUR 5's. So as far as compensation goes they didn't give up much and they still have a solid set of picks for 2025. -Adding into the compensation discussion. Dotson is not an older player who is a one year rental like Golden Tate or Robert Quinn. Dotson is 24 years old, about to start his 3rd NFL season, and the Eagles are getting AT LEAST two seasons out of him at only a 4 million cap hit. So the age, contract, and cap hit just adds to the value they got in the trade. -Dotson is a HUGE upgrade to any of the WR's they had after AJ and Devonta. So they immediately get better and an already stacked offense is even better. -Dotson is EXACTLY the type of receiver they needed as he is not JUST a slot. He can play slot, but he can also play outisde which allows Moore to move AJ and Devonta around if he wants to. It also gives them a legit outside option if AJ or Devonta misses any time. Lastly, Dotson is a speedy WR who can make dynamic plays and stretch the field. He should get plenty of one on one coverage from the slot against inferior players because of the defense paying attention to AJ, Devonta, Goedert, Saquon, etc. So in other words, he doesn't need to get a ton of targets to have an impact. This is a typical Howie move meaning low risk and high reward and unlike some of the other moves Howie has made in this regard this is a long term move.
August 23, 20241 yr 54 minutes ago, TEW said: He was in a horrible situation in DC, is a poor fit as for as skill set for the system they want to run, plus he was disgruntled. It’s not like the kid can’t play — he showed some good flashes in DC. But let me give you another perspective — "expected value.” A third round pick has about a 25% chance to become a starter, and a rookie contract is 4 years long. So the "expected value” of a 3rd round pick is 1 year of a starting caliber player. Well, Dotson has proven he can be a competent, if unspectacular, starter. And we have him locked up for 2 years on cheap rookie money, PLUS we have a team option for a 3rd season. This is a spectacularly good trade just by looking at the math of it and what each team would project to get. We got DOUBLE the expected value of our third round pick, PLUS a team option on a third year, PLUS a 5th round pick. And that’s not even using the "time value” of draft picks which is generally a full round lower for every year in the future. If you apply that discount, it’s even better. As I analyze this trade from a purely statistical perspective, it might be one of the best deals Howie has ever done from a pure risk/reward perspective. Which is really saying something. Now obviously Dotson may be a total flop, but just looking at this dispassionately from a math perspective it’s a massive, massive win. I'm pretty sure the thing that people aren't considering in terms of trade value (mind you, don't love the third either, but let me finish) is the part where people are pretty sure he was going to get released anyway. But unless I'm forgetting something, he'd be subjected to waivers, so we're kind of screwed on that front.
August 23, 20241 yr 14 hours ago, LacesOut said: Huh. Alright alright. Great depth move. There's still only one football to go around. before Dotson, who was the guy who was the good routes good hands backup to D Smith? It's Dotson now.
August 23, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, T-1000 said: Anyone complaining about this is either not very bright, or just chooses to be negative for the sake of being negative. -As far as compensation, two 7th round picks are garbage. They gave up a 3rd for Dotson and a 5th. They already had two 3's and even AFTER the deal they have a 1, 2, 3, and FOUR 5's. So as far as compensation goes they didn't give up much and they still have a solid set of picks for 2025. -Adding into the compensation discussion. Dotson is not an older player who is a one year rental like Golden Tate or Robert Quinn. Dotson is 24 years old, about to start his 3rd NFL season, and the Eagles are getting AT LEAST two seasons out of him at only a 4 million cap hit. So the age, contract, and cap hit just adds to the value they got in the trade. -Dotson is a HUGE upgrade to any of the WR's they had after AJ and Devonta. So they immediately get better and an already stacked offense is even better. -Dotson is EXACTLY the type of receiver they needed as he is not JUST a slot. He can play slot, but he can also play outisde which allows Moore to move AJ and Devonta around if he wants to. It also gives them a legit outside option if AJ or Devonta misses any time. Lastly, Dotson is a speedy WR who can make dynamic plays and stretch the field. He should get plenty of one on one coverage from the slot against inferior players because of the defense paying attention to AJ, Devonta, Goedert, Saquon, etc. So in other words, he doesn't need to get a ton of targets to have an impact. This is a typical Howie move meaning low risk and high reward and unlike some of the other moves Howie has made in this regard this is a long term move. he's not a slot. he's not fast or shifty or quick or weapony. He's a good route runner with good hands who can get open, create separation. He wasn't good last year, with a PFF worse than Quez's. But he's a very good match for the type of player you would have as a D Smith backup. You want to have a player up to speed at playing Z, in case you don't want D Smith to play every snap until he falls over with exhaustion. His highlights from last year, for the most part didn't include the moves he made to get open, to get separation, but he made some catches, one TD catch involved a nice move in the end zone, but for the most part, there were catches that involved creating some separation, and then being tackled immediately. I think Covey can do that, and what Covey can also do, maybe, is make a guy miss and gain 5 or 10 extra yards, and there really was almost none of that from Dotson. run good routes, yes, I think, get some separation, yes, I think, good hands, sure, but no weapony yards after catch. D Smith is the routes + hands guy. And Dotson is the routes + hands backup. AJ Brown is the big WR and Johnny Wilson is the backup big guy. And there is the slot position, where the Eagles have the quick Covey and the fast Campbell and Ross. It's good the Eagles got a similar backup to D Smith, they wouldn't have to throw out all those plays if D Smith was out. I could definitely see Dotson as a worse version of D Smith. I really don't want Dotson in the slot, I don't think his quickness compares to Covey's or his speed compares to Campbell or Ross. The position for the route runner with good hands is Z, where D Smith, and Dotson is a good choice for D Smith backup.
August 23, 20241 yr 7 hours ago, judunno said: All of the other guys likely make it to PS And I keep mixing up Parris Johnson and Parris Campbell...darn buckeyes smh I guess I jus see 🥷s named Parris 😂😂
August 23, 20241 yr 5 hours ago, AmericanEagle77 said: I'm pretty sure the thing that people aren't considering in terms of trade value (mind you, don't love the third either, but let me finish) is the part where people are pretty sure he was going to get released anyway. But unless I'm forgetting something, he'd be subjected to waivers, so we're kind of screwed on that front. No chance he was going to get released in my view. He is on a VERY cheap contract for two seasons, has a third season cost controlled team option, has decent proven production, with inside/outside versatility and still has good upside. Those guys don’t usually get cut because they have league wide value. I think a lot of teams were looking at him as a backup plan if they couldn’t land Lamb or Aiyuk. The Eagles weren’t realistically in the running for either of those two, but Dotson is a good fit for what they need. They also probably wanted to see if they could scrape a slot receiver out of the two rookies, Campbell and Ross. Once it became apparent none of those camp options were viable, Howie made the move.
August 23, 20241 yr 3 hours ago, Random Reglar said: he's not a slot. he's not fast or shifty or quick or weapony. He's a good route runner with good hands who can get open, create separation. He wasn't good last year, with a PFF worse than Quez's. But he's a very good match for the type of player you would have as a D Smith backup. You want to have a player up to speed at playing Z, in case you don't want D Smith to play every snap until he falls over with exhaustion. His highlights from last year, for the most part didn't include the moves he made to get open, to get separation, but he made some catches, one TD catch involved a nice move in the end zone, but for the most part, there were catches that involved creating some separation, and then being tackled immediately. I think Covey can do that, and what Covey can also do, maybe, is make a guy miss and gain 5 or 10 extra yards, and there really was almost none of that from Dotson. run good routes, yes, I think, get some separation, yes, I think, good hands, sure, but no weapony yards after catch. D Smith is the routes + hands guy. And Dotson is the routes + hands backup. AJ Brown is the big WR and Johnny Wilson is the backup big guy. And there is the slot position, where the Eagles have the quick Covey and the fast Campbell and Ross. It's good the Eagles got a similar backup to D Smith, they wouldn't have to throw out all those plays if D Smith was out. I could definitely see Dotson as a worse version of D Smith. I really don't want Dotson in the slot, I don't think his quickness compares to Covey's or his speed compares to Campbell or Ross. The position for the route runner with good hands is Z, where D Smith, and Dotson is a good choice for D Smith backup. Kids, don't do drugs
August 23, 20241 yr The move is OK, but may have been better signing Michael Thomas and saving that 3rd rounder.. If Thomas was healthy that is..
August 23, 20241 yr Have to say I like the move. I know he’s not quite lived up to first round expectations but he’s also played with pretty bad QBs in a bad offense. As a WR3 and a slot guy you just can’t hate the move.
August 23, 20241 yr 11 hours ago, psychodog said: This is a highly unusual hot take. He’s trying to win NOW, he’s not doing this to get his name in the paper. Come on, now. You have to understand the guy you’re talking to believes every conspiracy theory know. To man. He’s also not afraid to make them up on his own.
August 23, 20241 yr 4 hours ago, Random Reglar said: he's not a slot. he's not fast or shifty or quick or weapony. He's a good route runner with good hands who can get open, create separation. He wasn't good last year, with a PFF worse than Quez's. But he's a very good match for the type of player you would have as a D Smith backup. You want to have a player up to speed at playing Z, in case you don't want D Smith to play every snap until he falls over with exhaustion. His highlights from last year, for the most part didn't include the moves he made to get open, to get separation, but he made some catches, one TD catch involved a nice move in the end zone, but for the most part, there were catches that involved creating some separation, and then being tackled immediately. I think Covey can do that, and what Covey can also do, maybe, is make a guy miss and gain 5 or 10 extra yards, and there really was almost none of that from Dotson. run good routes, yes, I think, get some separation, yes, I think, good hands, sure, but no weapony yards after catch. D Smith is the routes + hands guy. And Dotson is the routes + hands backup. AJ Brown is the big WR and Johnny Wilson is the backup big guy. And there is the slot position, where the Eagles have the quick Covey and the fast Campbell and Ross. It's good the Eagles got a similar backup to D Smith, they wouldn't have to throw out all those plays if D Smith was out. I could definitely see Dotson as a worse version of D Smith. I really don't want Dotson in the slot, I don't think his quickness compares to Covey's or his speed compares to Campbell or Ross. The position for the route runner with good hands is Z, where D Smith, and Dotson is a good choice for D Smith backup. Don't get me wrong, I like Covey at slot because of his skillset. I think he could have a role there. But the Eagles like to have Brown and Smith move into the slot and that means a WR3 needs to be competent outside and Covey may not really be the best option for that. That means when Covey is in, we're probably a little more predictable since his role is defined. Dotson brings experience to play inside and outside. He can very much be a backup to Smith or Brown while also contributing at slot. I know I had an unpopular opinion about Quez, but he was worth keeping as the backup to Smith and Brown and all his productive games came when he played mostly outside. But he wasn't a good fit as a slot receiver. Dotson is currently the best fit to be the WR3 on this team because of his versatility to be moved around.
August 23, 20241 yr Overall, I like the trade. Dotson seems like he'd be a good fit for what we need from a WR3 and the price is palatable for the potential upside. The reservations as to why WASTEAM was willing to trade him...within the division...are valid. It's not often you see a "good" player be traded to another team in the same division (maybe Hockenson from DET to Minny? Who else?) I just hope Dotson is in the right place mentally. If he wasn't doing well in TC, could be that he's lost confidence or something is off. He has the physical tools. He's certainly young enough and now doesn't have the same types of pressure/expectations. So, hopefully that helps him.
August 23, 20241 yr he can be a very solid third option. they got stronger and weakened an already weaker division rival. thats a very nice 1-2-3 WR punch. you can move all 3 around and just smoke fools with little effort. they have arguably the best wr room in the league with a HC who was WR and a WR coach. this could be really fun to watch. i like it
August 23, 20241 yr 3 hours ago, EagleJoe8 said: You have to understand the guy you’re talking to believes every conspiracy theory know. To man. He’s also not afraid to make them up on his own. Didn't he also criticize DeVonta Smith and say he's overrated?
August 23, 20241 yr 13 minutes ago, NOTW said: Didn't he also criticize DeVonta Smith and say he's overrated? Yes and he doesn't get any separation
August 23, 20241 yr My only hesitation is that Jalen hasn't been very good at spreading the ball around in the past. Has he been better at getting through his read progressions to find an open third receiver? I honestly don't know. Admittedly, I've been more spectator than contributor for the last couple of years. My heart still bleeds green, just had a busy couple of years.
August 23, 20241 yr I am hearing Dotson actually lined up outside more than the slot on the Commanders. But the new Washington coaches were giving him more looks in the slot position. So I am unsure if Dotson projects directly into the slot position on the Eagles. His size, speed, and ability comps something like Devonta Smith; though Dotson never lived up to the hype. He joins the team at the end of camp. I think the best approach is package Dotson into some plays until he learns the playbook. He might be something like Julio Jones last year where they could sneak Smith into slot on 3 WR sets and Dotson goes outside. Or not. Or they alternate... Either way it gives Kellen Moore yet another weapon to play with in the offense scheme.
August 23, 20241 yr 15 hours ago, Swoop said: Who? Resident Commanders fan who raises the banners at FedEx. If it wasn't for him I wouldn't know about Sam "lots of ability" Howell. He has a few threads in R&R which is basically the rest of us pointing and laughing. The banners: Spoiler
August 23, 20241 yr On 8/22/2024 at 12:09 PM, toolg said: It feels a little desperate. Eagles need WR depth and a slot. Dotson has a lot to prove but he's still young. The Eagles didn't have to give up much. Just a drop from a 3rd Round Pick to the 5th, and a couple of 7th Rounders. I can't hate the trade. Desperate? It feels like we're all-in and realize that we don't have enough elite talent on Defense. We can't fix the defense in a year. But we can't put the finishing touches on the offense. We need to score 28 each week to have a chance of getting back to the dance.
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