On 8/23/2024 at 12:14 AM, TEW said:

He was in a horrible situation in DC, is a poor fit as for as skill set for the system they want to run, plus he was disgruntled. It’s not like the kid can’t play — he showed some good flashes in DC.

But let me give you another perspective — "expected value.” A third round pick has about a 25% chance to become a starter, and a rookie contract is 4 years long. So the "expected value” of a 3rd round pick is 1 year of a starting caliber player.

Well, Dotson has proven he can be a competent, if unspectacular, starter. And we have him locked up for 2 years on cheap rookie money, PLUS we have a team option for a 3rd season.

This is a spectacularly good trade just by looking at the math of it and what each team would project to get. We got DOUBLE the expected value of our third round pick, PLUS a team option on a third year, PLUS a 5th round pick.

And that’s not even using the "time value” of draft picks which is generally a full round lower for every year in the future. If you apply that discount, it’s even better.

As I analyze this trade from a purely statistical perspective, it might be one of the best deals Howie has ever done from a pure risk/reward perspective. Which is really saying something.

Now obviously Dotson may be a total flop, but just looking at this dispassionately from a math perspective it’s a massive, massive win.

This trade is light years ahead of the Golden Tate trade

On 8/23/2024 at 10:23 PM, EagleVA said:

Apparently you don't value 3rd round picks as I do, I'm not a fan of trading picks for players (especially rounds 1, 2, and 3), you're mortgaging your future when you do.

Howie can acquire more future picks very quickly during the draft.  Are you a fan of that?

On 8/23/2024 at 12:23 AM, Mat said:

Hopefully he can turn himself into a Jason Avant type player. Pops up when needed with great hands and can make the slot role his own. It adds another dimension to the offense.

I hope for more.  Avant was more of a possession receiver.  If Dotson's on his game, he can bring a speed element and open things up underneath if Jalen can connect a few long ones to him.

Here's a side angle that came to mind with this trade:  Eagles did another trade with Washington during the draft when they moved up to get DeJean.  Adam Peters was filmed during the trade.  He was remarking how Howie is always pushing, but he's a good guy.  Josh Harris owns the Sixers.  There's gotta be some familiarity with the personalities in the Eagles organization, and it wouldn't surprise me if he and Lurie weren't friends on some level, or more importantly, partners in business transactions.  The fan base in Philly gets on Harris, but could it be there is some sort of fraternity with the Eagles organization and his NFL team?

14 minutes ago, Procus said:

Howie can acquire more future picks very quickly during the draft.  Are you a fan of that?

EXACTLY. Just like how he turned a 4 in 2024 into a 3 in 2025, which was traded for Dotson and a 5th. Good luck finding a better 3rd WR for the next two years with a fourth round pick.

On 8/24/2024 at 2:22 AM, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

The Dolphins traded Wes Walker to the Patriots and probably regretted it for a decade.

That's a good comparison!  Although, Welker was traded to Tom Brady, who had a habit of making those guys look really good. It will be hard to judge Dotson unless Hurts and Moore make it a point to get him involved.

Still rare that an intra-division trade ever pays off for the team receiving the player. 

19 hours ago, Procus said:

Howie can acquire more future picks very quickly during the draft.  Are you a fan of that?

How about explaining how he'd quickly acquire more picks during the draft and I'll let you know if I'm a fan of it.

4 minutes ago, EagleVA said:

How about explaining how he'd quickly acquire more picks during the draft and I'll let you know if I'm a fan of it.

Why don't you read up on all the trades he made in the 2024 draft.

22 hours ago, T-1000 said:

They still have a 3rd round pick in 2025 

They had two 3rd round picks but dumbarse give one away for a player they didn't need, everyone I've listened to feel like a 3rd was way too much for a played that was getting cut, but no, he had to get a fix for his addiction.

 

2 minutes ago, Procus said:

Why don't you read up on all the trades he made in the 2024 draft.

No thanks.

1 minute ago, EagleVA said:

They had two 3rd round picks but dumbarse give one away for a player they didn't need, everyone I've listened to feel like a 3rd was way too much for a played that was getting cut, but no, he had to get a fix for his addiction.

 

He essentially traded a 4th in 2024 and two 7ths in 2025 for Dotson and a 5th in 2025. Also, I have no clue how you could pay attention to this team in camp/pre-season and think a 3rd WR was not only not a need but a huge one. They didn't have a good slot WR and they were one injury away from Johnny Wilson starting on the outside. To each their own though.

On 8/24/2024 at 8:23 AM, birdman#12 said:

I agree with that premise somewhat.....however, when a GM like Roseman stockpiles draft picks the way he does, he puts himself into position to be able to trade a 3rd for a guy like Dotson.

Again, my position is trade players for picks, not picks for players, especially picks 1, 2, and 3.

5 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

To each their own though.

Right, I didn't see a need for another WR.

On 8/24/2024 at 8:09 AM, time2rock said:

Jason Peters was a great return for a 1st.

AJ Brown was also a great return for a 1st.  

I wouldn't have done either of those.

On 8/26/2024 at 2:46 PM, EagleVA said:

Again, my position is trade players for picks, not picks for players, especially picks 1, 2, and 3.

So, you wouldn't have traded a 1st rounder for AJ Brown?

On 8/26/2024 at 6:06 PM, EagleVA said:

I wouldn't have done either of those.

So you would have rather taken your chances on late first round picks instead of acquiring proven young stars like AJ Brown and Jason Peters.

Does the fact that Jason Peters has a good shot of making the Hall of Fame because of the way he played as an Eagle in retrospect make you think that the trade with Buffalo to acquire him was a good thing?

5 hours ago, birdman#12 said:

So, you wouldn't have traded a 1st rounder for AJ Brown?

 

5 hours ago, Procus said:

So you would have rather taken your chances on late first round picks instead of acquiring proven young stars like AJ Brown and Jason Peters.

Does the fact that Jason Peters has a good shot of making the Hall of Fame because of the way he played as an Eagle in retrospect make you think that the trade with Buffalo to acquire him was a good thing?

Brace yourselves gentlemen. You’re going to get some of the dumbest replies you’ve ever heard if he actually responds. 

6 hours ago, Procus said:

So you would have rather taken your chances on late first round picks instead of acquiring proven young stars like AJ Brown and Jason Peters.

Does the fact that Jason Peters has a good shot of making the Hall of Fame because of the way he played as an Eagle in retrospect make you think that the trade with Buffalo to acquire him was a good thing?

While I'm not sure Howie had much to do with the JP trade, the thing about EagleVA is that he forms his opinion after Howie does something. Whatever Howie does, he's going to develop a gripe and share it. He hates Howie more than he hates NASA. 

56 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

While I'm not sure Howie had much to do with the JP trade, the thing about EagleVA is that he forms his opinion after Howie does something. Whatever Howie does, he's going to develop a gripe and share it. He hates Howie more than he hates NASA. 

As much as I hate being objective about that doofus, I will say he’s been consistent for as long as I can remember about being against trading draft picks for players. I think it’s still a contrarian position, which he likes to be of course. It’s irrefutable that some pick for player trades have worked very well in our favor, and others not so much. I definitely agree he will hate anything Howie does simply because it’s Howie. I can recall him wanting the team to get Miles Sanders before the 2019 draft, and then finding a way to be negative about it after the fact. 

On 8/26/2024 at 5:38 PM, Procus said:

Why don't you read up on all the trades he made in the 2024 draft.

He literally tied the record for most draft day trades this year  

 

Every year during the draft I text with one of my friends in Cali as it is going down.  Became a running joke this year how each time the eagles were up they were going to trade down for more picks.  But yeah, how he could quickly accumulate picks during a draft is a mystery  

41 minutes ago, paco said:

He literally tied the record for most draft day trades this year  

F it, why not

 

 

1 hour ago, paco said:

F it, why not

 

 

 

How about T.O. for a 4th?

I think we are over-rationalizing a bit here.  Dotson might become a revelation and a total steal.  Not saying it won't happen.

But he was not good last year.  He will not get many targets this year.  1st round WRs coming off disappointing years who are entering year 3 go for a massive discount.  Just look at Reagor.

Didn't someone post (prior to this trade) a list ranking all 3rd WRs in the entire NFL recently?  It was a really interesting list to look at.  The first thing that jumped out at me was that the vast majority sucked.  The second is that they all came cheaply (unless they were expensive demoted disappointments).  

 

Reagor never had 400 yards. Ross never had a good season. Dotson had a good rookie year with 500+ in 10 games and then had a disappointing 500+ last year in 17. I don’t think he should be lumped in with other failed 1s. At least not yet